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Novara
(6,115 posts)I suspect the DOJ will be able to tie these motherfuckers to the orange motherfucker. I HOPE they can.
brush
(61,033 posts)the mid-terms coming up. It was obvious months ago that all those participating, organizing, and clandestinely urging and communicating about it are guilty of these charges...including trump. The DOJ just moves too slowly and it's going to cost us in November.
Novara
(6,115 posts)I'd rather have it done right than have it dismissed because the DOJ rushed to get people under indictment. Doing this right takes time. I don't know about you, but I want the charges to stick.
brush
(61,033 posts)text, email and phone evidence, the subpoenas by the J6 committee not moved on by DOJ?
Several J6 committee members who have been investigating and researching evidence for months have these same complaints about the DOJ.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)We have no idea why the timing is what it is. It could be for all sorts of reasons. And likely is the way it is because of how the larger picture is coming together. Can’t we just be happy that things are happening?
brush
(61,033 posts)and others on the J6 committee who have expressed their unhappiness that Meadows and Scavino weren't indicted.
Ya kinda want the Democratically appointed AG to work with the admin and Dem Congressional leaders to hold republican coup attempters accountable while we still hold majorities in Congress. At the slow rate indictments are coming and the public being made aware of the criminality and sedition, the mid-terms will be over and all the work and months of investigation by the committee with be trashed with glee as the republicans take over Congressional majorities. Time is not on our side.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)or senate?
brush
(61,033 posts)the republicans will dissolve it as soon as they take over, and thus recommendations to the DOJ for indictments on sedition and criminality for the J6 insurrection will stop immediately and that'll be the end of it.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)to do their job?
brush
(61,033 posts)after J6...
Do you feel things are proceeding at a reqsonable rate compared to previous DOJs in the Obama admin, or even W Bush's?
I don't.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)When was the last time a sitting president had a fully orchestrated attempt to overthrow an election by many people in his own party? How long does an investigation into that take?
brush
(61,033 posts)both also unprecedented, neither moved at such a snail's pace.
Our hold on Congressional majorities could be helped by indictments, trials and some convictions of high-profile insurrectionists. Sure, a few wrist slaps and a few year sentences for nobodies has happened but none of the top plotters, except for Navarro, to overthrown the election has happened and thus influenced voters against republicans.
Theres' no reckoning to crimes we all witnessed. Too slow.
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Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I don't recall the J6 committee recommending any indictments for the now 16 seditious conspirators (including now three that were not there on 1/6)... Oh, and three of those (that we know for sure) have flipped and are testifying before a Grand Jury that we are not certain who they are targeting... Why will that all go away?
brush
(61,033 posts)majorities. Dem reps, senators and Joe Biden will essentially be lame ducks for the remaining two years of the admin, except for whatever Joe can do with executive orders.
IMO I don't think we're being well-served by the DOJ.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)If the DOJ had indicted TFG on 1/7, the trial would not have been over by the mid-terms... That is simply how our justice system moves. We would face your exact same scenario regardless.
brush
(61,033 posts)if there are indictments and trials going on. That's what's at stake...voter perception.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)Indictments without solid evidence would quickly be seen as the bullshit they would be… See Sussmann. That would play against us.
brush
(61,033 posts)influenced by news reporting and political developments. How do you think trump became so popular to those on the right?
They were influenced by news and political coverage.
I think tfg became popular by being a lying sack of shit. I think he managed to lose the popular vote twice and was a one term president that lost all three branches in one term.
No thanks, I’ll pick a better political role model.
I’m done here.
brush
(61,033 posts)But the media coverage of him got him low-info votes, which is why I think the DOJ's slow movement on indictments and subsequent trials is going to cost us votes because voters won't be influenced by indictments, trials and some convictions of republican insurrectionists. It's not rocket science.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they know and are telling us everything we need to know so we'll feel staying glued to the 24/7/365 "news" cycle is worth our investment. They knew from the beginning that these processes would take many months and at least a couple of years to play out, but...24/7/12/365 x whatever, after all.
brush
(61,033 posts)the same complaints.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)do not necessarily mean what you think they do. They're using the frustration developed both by understandable anxiety and by agitators with various agendas to try to grow pressure on the DoJ. This is an election year, after all, and they must keep power to do their job.
Novara
(6,115 posts)If so, we have a real insider here! Wow!
brush
(61,033 posts)trump's inaction. More than one J6 committee member has expressed the same complaints I have voiced against the snail's pace the DOJ is moving at.
We finally wrestle Congressional majorities from the repubs and our DOJ can't keep pace. And those majorities will likely go away partly because some voters will hold Dems responsible in November because of a visible lack of accountability against those involved in the attempted coup on J6.
Novara
(6,115 posts)What we saw and what the DOJ needs for conviction are completely separate things.
brush
(61,033 posts)knowledge of the coup attempt and are complaining as well? Rep. Schiff just yesterday complained about Meadows and Scavino not being indicted.
Often times we're much too lenient on these fascist wannabee republicans. After the election in November if the repubs take over the majorities, that committee and it's investigations will go poof and all it's work will be for naught as the republicans will gleefully trash it.
GoodRaisin
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mcar
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Ellipsis
(9,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)These developments come after Charles Donohoe, a Proud Boy from North Carolina, pleaded guilty in April and agreed to cooperate with the investigation. He was not named in Monday’s indictment.
The Justice Department has brought one other seditious conspiracy case against the leaders of the Oath Keepers, who are accused of extensively planning and preparing for violence on January 6.