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Gina Haspel Observed Waterboarding at C.I.A. Black Site, Psychologist Testifies (Original Post) jalan48 Jun 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jun 2022 #1
Seem to recall we all knew this was the case at the time she was made CIA chief Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #2
Actually I somehow posted an older article when I meant to post one from the NT Times from jalan48 Jun 2022 #3
Trials are still going on and the use of torture by the US government is still a factor Solly Mack Jun 2022 #10
Saw what you posted downthread yesterday and understood the relevance then Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #11
#girlboss WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #4
Her nickname is "Bloody Gina" ferfucksakes. Nevilledog Jun 2022 #5
I know, right? Solly Mack Jun 2022 #8
Recent link NYTimes Solly Mack Jun 2022 #6
Thanks! jalan48 Jun 2022 #7
You're welcome. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #9

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Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Seem to recall we all knew this was the case at the time she was made CIA chief
Mon Jun 6, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

What's the relevance, now, 4 years later, and over 1 year after she retired?

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
3. Actually I somehow posted an older article when I meant to post one from the NT Times from
Mon Jun 6, 2022, 07:53 PM
Jun 2022

a few days ago.It's in regard to the torture case in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Unfortunately there's a paywall. Haspel and her ilk are monsters.

some excerpts from the article..

Dr. Mitchell described how in late 2002 he and another C.I.A. contract psychologist, John Bruce Jessen, waterboarded Mr. Nashiri, who is accused of orchestrating the bombing of the Navy destroyer Cole in 2000. Seventeen American sailors were killed in the attack.

During three separate sessions, Dr. Mitchell held a cloth over the man’s face and adjusted it to direct the water as Dr. Jessen poured.

Dr. Mitchell testified that Mr. Nashiri was so small that they thought he might slide out of his Velcro restraints during portions of the waterboarding. To let Mr. Nashiri breathe between pours, interrogators pivoted him 90 degrees, from lying on his back to a standing position, still strapped to a gurney.


The interrogation team shifted to other “coercive techniques,” including forcing the prisoner to spend time in a small confinement box. Dr. Mitchell said he had a “general memory of what was done” — the detainee, who was nude and sometimes hooded, was probably slapped and had the back of his head slammed into a burlap-covered wall — but testified that he did not have a “blow-by-blow recollection of any of that stuff.”


And although Ms. Haspel’s role as chief of base at the black site in Thailand is widely known, it is still considered a state secret.

The judge, Col. Lanny J. Acosta Jr., agreed to allow Dr. Mitchell to testify because the C.I.A. had destroyed videotapes that defense lawyers argue showed the psychologists torturing and interrogating Mr. Nashiri and another prisoner at the black site in Thailand. Defense lawyers said that deprived them of potential evidence, including something they might have wanted to show a military jury deciding whether to impose a death penalty.


Ms. Haspel has acknowledged her role in the destruction of those tapes as a chief of staff to the operations chief, Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. At her confirmation hearing, she said, “I would also make clear that I did not appear on the tapes.”

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
10. Trials are still going on and the use of torture by the US government is still a factor
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 05:00 PM
Jun 2022

in those trials.

The New York Times, and other news organization, recently (3 days ago) reported on the use of torture and Haspel's role in that torture regarding evidence in one of those trials.

The OP posted the wrong link, but I posted the correct link.

Doesn't matter how long ago she retired; she was still involved in torture.

Yes, her role, though not the full extent or even the exact extent, has been known for years.

As for the relevance of someone who was involved in torture and never held accountable...well, that is the relevance.

That the guilty got a pass for torture/war crimes/crimes against humanity remains the same gross mockery of "no one is above the law" and "we support human rights" it has always been and will always remain until justice is actually served.



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