Are cracks showing in the West's support for Ukraine?

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More than 100 days after Russia invaded Ukraine, the anti-Moscow alliance may be confronting the limits of its unity.

French President Emmanuel Macron became the latest to draw fire for his suggestion that it would be unwise to “humiliate” Russian President Vladimir Putin with a resounding defeat, a prospect few expected to be grappling with when the Kremlin launched its war and inspired a terrifying clarity among the United States and its allies.

But — thanks in part to the success of its effort to rally behind Kyiv — the West is showing signs of growing divisions...

On one side are France, Germany and Italy, who now appear to favor calling for negotiations and cease-fires rather than unconditional military support of Ukraine. They have either been accused of hesitancy over sending weapons or worrying too much about what might happen if Russia loses...

On the other side are the Eastern Europeans, some of them ex-Soviet states, who along with the United Kingdom are ironclad in their at-all-costs approach to Ukrainian solidarity. Critics say this risks entrenching a forever war in Europe — and an escalation with nuclear-armed Moscow...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/humiliate-russia-west-divisions-ukraine-support-putin-rcna31218

[CentralMass]

1. I suspect that Europe would come to regret letting Putin get his way in Ukraine.

[genxlib]

2. Depends on what you mean by negotiate

If you are talking about what parts of a sovereign country to give away then Putin can Fuck Off

If you talking about retreating in a cease fire versus getting shot at while you run away, then carry-on.

[Beastly Boy]

3. All support of Ukraine is conditional.

Each European country has its own interests to consider before they pledge support to Ukraine's resistance to aggression. Naturally, France is less concerned with the Russian army on Poland's border than Poland is.

These are not cracks that recently appeared where none were there before. The fact that Europe is united in resisting Russia's aggression against Ukraine is proof positive that there is significant amount of shared self- nterest to merit the West's unanimous support for Ukraine.

[stopdiggin]

7. a much better ( and more realistic) assessment -(nt)-

[maxsolomon]

4. Every coalition has cracks.

Calling for negotiations and cease-fires is normal. If the war can be ended without reducing Ukraine to a charred husk, then I'm for it.

Territorial concessions by Ukraine are likely moot, because Putin/Russia will annex what they've conquered. It is the point of the war: Revanchism.

[Hav]

8. Agreed, and so far it's not even worth it to call it cracks

Ukraine has the full support, NATO has never looked better and more appealing for other nations.
The negative narratives rather seem to come from the outside and the media with very questionable interpretations of normal, rational statements.

[ripcord]

5. France and Germany opposed Ukraine's membership in NATO very recently

They claim many reasons but the real one if that they want a closer relationship with Russia and any support of Ukraine weakens that. Remember it was just last year that France and Germany blindsided NATO by proposing a summit with Putin and alliance leaders slapped them down.

[doc03]

6. Our support of Ukraine and the effects of high

gas prices and in inflation may give Republicans control of Congress in 2023 Then in 2024 we may lose our democracy. What can we do though we are screwed either way? If Russia can hold out long enough they may be the winner.

[mucifer]

9. I've been thinking the same thing.

[womanofthehills]

10. Me too

Facebook is now filled with posts of the amounts people paid to fill up their tanks. Not good. Really hitting hard - rural people, truck drivers and those who commute.

[mucifer]

12. I just spoke with someone I previously considered liberal tell me it's the fault of both parties. I

couldn't convince him otherwise. People care more about gas than democracy.

[Model35mech]

11. I don't think saying Ukraine must consider its post-conflict future

I got hammered for that. Apparently it's not DUPC.

But. as a matter of acting responsibly when in a position of responsibility, the US, Canada, EU nations and NATO nations must do the same thing.

On top of all other commitments, the US CANNOT afford to rebuild Ukraine. It just can't.

Even if Ukraine pushes Russia completely out of its territory, there is going to be a huge price for Ukraine to pay. This lend-lease thing makes Ukraine a borrower. There will be an expectation of consideration to offset the costs of the lenders.

Ukraine must understand that going into debt with NATO members doesn't make it a member of NATO. It makes it a host of what will essentially be colonial interference in its governance, finance, and openness to business with the colonizers.

I reallly hope Zelensky and his advisors are looking at how deep in the quagmire they are willing to go.

[Zeitghost]

13. They want their gas and oil to continue to flow

Europe is subsidizing the war crimes to the tune of a billion a day and they know they can't stop.