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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) is endorsing Alessandra Biaggi (D) in her bid to unseat Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-NY), putting the progressive leader in direct opposition to the chairman of the powerful Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the New York Times reports.
The endorsement, which will include a fund-raising email on Tuesday, will add progressive credibility to Ms. Biaggis campaign and intensifies the threat at home to Mr. Maloney, who is overseeing the partys strategy nationally as Democrats try to maintain their tenuous hold on the House.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/07/us/election-california-primary-new-jersey/aoc-sean-maloney?smid=url-share
Me.
(35,454 posts)Polybius
(15,386 posts)n/t
DFW
(54,358 posts)I wish the Squad would not give critics an opening to add "Circular Firing" to its title.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)Good to know that's now a thing.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)That practice has been a bummer.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)Tell me how you have that insight? Perhaps we should let the Democratic voters decide who they want running in a primary?
empedocles
(15,751 posts)DFW
(54,358 posts)Any elaboration will no doubt bring down disciplinary action that just isn't worth the aggravation.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)If you don't like primaries, the only other option would be to get rid of them once a Dem is in office. Then there is no primary until that person loses or steps down. Which is ridiculous.
What are the reasons, other than AOC, do you think a primary is bad?
Celerity
(43,330 posts)some changes in the new map. Maloney himself slid over to challenge the NY-17 Democratic incumbent, Mondaire Jones, who now has left the redrawn NY-17 to run in the newly redrawn NY-10 due to Maloney's actions.
Maloney did this based off a quirk of the new map for NY-17, that now (barely) includes his house (many US House reps live or have lived outside their district, examples being Maxine Waters, and for decades, John Conyers).
BUT
The new NY-18 still is very much majority the current NY-18 (that Maloney has now abandoned, and made it far more likely we lose it to a Rethug).
The new NY-17 is still the vast majority of the current NY-17, that Jones now holds.
And Maloney said Jones should just slide over and challenge another incumbent (and another PoC), Jamaal Bowman, in Bowman's NY-16, despite the new NY-16 also being the vast majority of the current NY-16.
That would also have guaranteed the loss of another person of colour incumbent Dem, whilst still leaving NY-18 open and vulnerable to a Rethug flip. That (the loss of a Dem of colour) still may well happen if Jones fails in the NY-10 primary (Bill de Blasio is running in it, as are a tonne of others)
Link to tweet
so
you said
It would seem that Maloney is the one you should address that to, as he is the one who kicked this all off with HIS challenge to an incumbent Dem, and his abandoning his current district, leaving it vulnerable.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)Response to RandySF (Original post)
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JI7
(89,247 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)Plus, just in case you want to do some reading and not sound ignorant, there is a lot of debate as to whether Latinx is a good term or not.
JI7
(89,247 posts)for not using it so maybe the reason she supports a challenger is that he doesn't use it .
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)It's an interesting debate, actually. Seem kind of gross to go after a member of the community for something like that.
Jedi Guy
(3,185 posts)In a thread about AOC encouraging the use of the term "Latinx" I seem to recall someone linking to a poll or survey or something showing that around 3% of Hispanic people prefer the term while the rest either hadn't heard it before or didn't like it.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)If younger Hispanics want to use a more inclusive and gender-free alternative to "Latino" or "Latina" to describe their fluid genders the politicians have no business making an issue of it and banning it because they don't like it. Not everyone fits into a nice little box that says male or female.
mcar
(42,302 posts)where she criticizes people for not using the term. How is what the poster said "horrible?"
msongs
(67,395 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,813 posts)Who knows.
It's going to be very hard to paint him as a conservative white male out of touch with minorities. Like - really really hard.
JustAnotherGen
(31,813 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)Run against Republicans, congresswoman.
She's done nothing but trash Democrats lately. In a recent interview she said that everyone she works with is corrupt, including her fellow Democrats.
This is not helpful at all.
JustAnotherGen
(31,813 posts)I really resent her saying that about Tom Malinowski. Shame on her.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to take over their primary target -- America's big liberal (Democratic) Party. All they've ever been able to do is help Republicans defeat Democrats.
The ones in FDR's time called the New Dealers and the New Deal corrupt and tried to defeat them and it, without being able to replace it. They failed to take down the New Deal, of course, and that was their biggest moment in the last century -- during troubled times when fascists and socialists were marching in the streets of many nations.
Ino, it's way past time for her to realize that progressive action only happens when we make it happen.
mcar
(42,302 posts)Media hasn't learned anything, far left hasn't learned anything. Right is perfectly happy with dismantling our democratic systems.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)New generations keep getting born with various mixes of the same-old same-old and act out in the current times. I have a couple of close relatives whose gene arrangements didn't fit them for the Age of Reason, much less since, and I often think, there but for the grace of some random pairings go I.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Novara
(5,841 posts)She needs to sit the fuck down and act in accordance with her experience. And by that I mean Maloney has a SHIT TON more seniority than she has and he knows what he's doing, so she needs to shut the fuck up.
Celerity
(43,330 posts)incumbent Dem (Mondaire Jones) in NY-17. NY-18 is now open and vulnerable to a Rethug flip.
full details here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216772660#post39
Novara
(5,841 posts)You should have to run in the district where you live. Isn't that the whole idea of REPRESENTATION?
Celerity
(43,330 posts)the new NY-18, so if both Jones (who only slid over to 10th due to Maloney running in his district) and Maloney had just ran in the same districts they now are seated in, they would hardly be carpetbaggers, as they would both be representing most of the same people as they are now.
The new map is a clusterfuck, as was the whole process, which ended up with it all kicked to RW judge (how the hell did THAT happen in a Dem utterly dominated state???) who got to choose the Special Master who redrew it all, plus who had the final say. We have now went from a likely 22D seat win to perhaps as few as 16D seats, plus we lost a seat in NY to reapportionment, that went to TX, where it will likely go Red, as they gerrymandered hard. That is a potential 14 seat negative net swing loss against us just from NY, (we may lose as many as 7 seats, the Rethugs may win as many as 7).
And NY is far from the only state where we have unilaterally disarmed in terms of gerrymandering. The Rethugs ruthlessly do it, whist many Blue dominated states foolishly switched to new rules and 'independent' commissions.
How Democrats are unilaterally disarming in the redistricting wars
Democrats have greater control of state legislatures than in the last round of redistricting but have turned over map-making powers in some states to independent commissions.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/21/democrats-redistricting-wars-495303
Oregon Democrats had finally secured total control of redistricting for the first time in decades. Then, just months before they were set to draw new maps, they gave it away. In a surprise that left Democrats from Salem to Washington baffled and angry, the state House speaker handed the GOP an effective veto over the districts in exchange for a pledge to stop stymieing her legislative agenda with delay tactics. The reaction from some of Oregons Democratic House delegation was unsparing: That was like shooting yourself in the head, Rep. Kurt Schrader told POLITICO. Rep. Peter DeFazio seethed: It was just an abysmally stupid move on her part.
Yet what happened this spring in Oregon is just one example, though perhaps the most extreme one, of a larger trend vexing Democratic strategists and lawmakers focused on maximizing the partys gains in redistricting. In key states over the past decade, Democrats have gained control of state legislatures and governorships that have long been in charge of drawing new maps only to cede that authority, often to independent commissions tasked with drawing political boundaries free of partisan interference.
Supporters of these initiatives say its good governance to bar politicians from drawing districts for themselves and their party. But exasperated Democrats counter that it has left them hamstrung in the battle to hold the House, by diluting or negating their ability to gerrymander in the way Republicans plan to do in many red states. And with the House so closely divided, Democrats will need every last advantage to cling to their majority in 2022.
We Democrats are cursed with this blindness about good government, said Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia, a Democratic state that will nonetheless see its congressional map drawn by a newly created independent commission. In rabid partisan states that are controlled by Republicans, theyre carving up left and right. And were kind of unilaterally disarming, Connelly conceded, before adding: But having said that, I still come down on the side of reforming this process because its got to start somewhere.
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On gerrymandering, Dems confront unilateral disarmament
If Republicans intend to exploit gerrymandering opportunities, shouldn't Democrats do the same thing? The answer is ... tricky.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/gerrymandering-dems-confront-unilateral-disarmament-n1277081
It's no secret that the Democratic majority in the U.S. House is already tiny. With next year's midterm elections looming, Republicans realize they already have 212 seats, and the odds of them reaching 218 seats are in their favor. Historical models aren't doing Democrats any favors -- the president's party nearly always loses a lot of seats in the first midterm cycle -- but just as important right now is the post-census redistricting process and the prospect of dramatic GOP gerrymandering. The New York Times reported last week:
Republicans hold total control of redistricting in 18 states, including Florida, North Carolina and Texas, which are growing in population and expected to gain seats after the 2020 census is tabulated. Some election experts believe the G.O.P. could retake the House in 2022 based solely on gains from newly drawn districts.
That last point is of particular interest: even if the American electorate doesn't shift at all in terms of ideology or partisan preferences, Republicans would be well positioned to reclaim the House majority simply be redrawing the lines in their favor. The challenge for Dems is daunting. There is, however, an obvious follow-up question: what about Democratic-led states? If Republicans intend to exploit gerrymandering for partisan advantage, why can't Dems do the same thing? The answer is ... a little complicated.
Broadly speaking, there are three angles to this that are worth keeping in mind. Right off the bat, part of the problem for Democrats is that there just aren't that many solidly blue states in which the party controls the governor's office and the state legislature. What's more, in some of these solidly blue states -- see Connecticut, Hawaii, and Delaware, for example -- there aren't any Republican representatives with seats to take.
That said, there are notable exceptions that matter. In Maryland, for example, Democrats have a veto-proof legislative majority and an opportunity to create an all-Democratic congressional delegation. In New York, it's possible Dems could draw a district map that could flip as many as five districts from "red" to "blue," which would make an enormous impact on the national totals. But I'm especially interested in the third group: states in which Democrats have effectively voluntarily surrendered their gerrymandering power in the interest of good governance.
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Novara
(5,841 posts)Why oh why do Democrats still believe in the concept of "good governance" when they are the ONLY ONES who have ethics? They're letting themselves be gerrymandered back to a minority. And to what end?
Celerity
(43,330 posts)that they think will carry the day in the long run, as they posit that the American electorate will eventually hew to a moral line) the Rethugs.
I personally think that is madness, as the Rethugs LONG ago, (but especially since the Trumpian inflection point of 2015/16) have tossed aside basically all mores and norms in a raw, brutish charge to power and domination. Many in our Party still believe in a 'they go low, we go high' stance, which I fear will be our (and thus the nation's) undoing. It is bringing a pencil and paper (not even a knife) full of scolding and hopeful appeals to some (well past their expiry date IMHO) better angels, to a gun fight.
The Rethugs are all-in for a 'by ANY means necessary' duel to the death, and they smell blood in the water, just like a pack of sharks swirling around a wounded whale. I think normalcy bias plays a large part too, as many just think we will somehow muddle through and come out the winners, that the US system is indestructible and will last forever (or at least for a duration well, well past anyone living's death), no matter what the internal threats are.
Novara
(5,841 posts)You can't shame people who have no conscience. Insisting on doing so is utterly maddening because it's utterly fruitless.
I've argued for some time that the Dems need to get in the mud and wrestle with the pig, because the pig is winning. Why disarm ourselves? Why NOT fight to the death? Because it's "giving in" to their tactics? Well, we're losing ground and it doesn't show any sign of stopping. How the minority can be so effective without us even realistically pushing back is beyond me.
Celerity
(43,330 posts)NOTHING to do with religion (I am a to-the-bone atheist)
1986 - September 5th, the SCOTUS's Telecommunications Research & Action Center v. F.C.C. decision which led to the overturning of the Fairness doctrine in 1987 (which allowed the rise of RW hate radio, especially the Limbaugh model, what started in 1988)
1996 - The launch of Fox News October 7, 1996, plus the odious Telecommunications Act of 1996 was signed into law by Clinton on February 8th, 1996, which opened up US telecoms of all types to deregulation and manipulation.
(one positive from that year, I was born in September! lol)
2006 - (the July 15, 2006 launch of Twitter (then called Twttr) AND on September 26, 2006, Facebook opened up to all people globally, as long as you were 13, before that you needed to have an educational school email or be a member of a cooperate network, etc, the name had switched from Thefacebook to just Facebook on August 23, 2005)
2016 - The Trumpian deluge (powered by all 5 things above, but not my birth) culminates with his election on November 8, 2016
Novara
(5,841 posts)... EVER.
That opened the door to mass brainwashing propaganda by the right. The left still hasn't been able to counter it.
I'd add one more "phenomenon" to your list: "reality TV." Once ordinary people got their chance to be complete assholes on TV, people started believing that every thought in their head - especially the most sociologically damaging - had a legitimacy that never should have been granted.
"MY OPINION IS IMPORTANT!"
No. I's just your fucking opinion and carries no more weight than anyone else's. Facts matter, not opinions.
seaglass
(8,171 posts)AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)This is a primary, this is how DEMOCRACY works.
I'm glad we have such great people running. More power to that & great to see a progressive woman running for Congress. We need more!
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)to put a Democratic House seat at risk, rather than spending millions of dollars putting a vulnerable Republican House seat at risk.
The voters in her safe District in Queens aren't the voters in Rockland, Dutchess and Putnam County.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)I don't get why we fight primaries.
And do you have any indication that any money spent in that primary would absolutely be spent elsewhere? What percentage? Because no way it's 1005.
mcar
(42,302 posts)it is not helping for a flame thrower to do this during a very important election season.
And again, why is she not campaigning against Republicans? You know, the actual enemy?
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Because that sounds like what you're implying here. A functioning democracy doesn't include a fair primary election.
Not how I'd define that sort of thing, but ok.
Every election is important. And every two years we hear, "Now's not the time!" I've been voting for over twenty years now. And somehow, "the right time" never arrives.
Very strange that. It is never the right time for primaries in our democracy.
Again, using that highly odd definition of democracy.
I like the democracy where we have fair elections and don't stamp my feet when someone dares to actually, you know, run in those elections.
mcar
(42,302 posts)is incorrect right now?
Women are about to become 2nd class citizens and instead of fighting that and fighting the Rs who push that, AOC is cheering on more chaos in the Democratic party. She's also saying that her Democratic colleagues are corrupt and she is the only pure one among them. How does that help in any way, shape, or form?
BTW, what bills has she written? Which ones have been passed in the House? I'm seriously asking this. What has she done in her 2 terms in Congress?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)Today it's the midterms that might hurt the next election. Then it's a REALLY important presidential cycle. Then it's a midterm that's super important. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. There's always a reason why now isn't the time, but the important part is that it's always the right time because we are still somewhat a democracy.
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)I am not so choosy as to when it's ok to have a healthy, functioning democracy. That's kind of how all this works.
"Democracy when it suits us" isn't actually democracy.
I have no idea who this person is or what she's done, but she has the right to represent the citizens if that is what they so choose.
If they so choose. Some of us like choice.
Not just when it suits us. That's what democracy is all about. I find the usual refrains to never primary about as undemocratic as it gets.
How that isn't obvious is beyond me.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)I can't figure out the mindset here at all
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Not a baking contest at church. It's the time to debate.
This is literally democracy. What is it that you want here? Because I'm trying to figure it out & can't.
Should candidates in your eyes not discuss their differences at all? Because that's no bueno. How are voters supposed to make an educated choice then between candidates running in the same party?
Autumn
(45,057 posts)concerned bout it won't do anything about it. See Manchin and Sinema. It is constantly said that they are the best we can do so might as well run a progressive in area where we can do better.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Honestly this isn't helpful.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)Which is a good thing, right? I'm confused as to the sides again.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)not really confusing at all.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)I think she's probably capable of doing both.
But I did notice you didn't address the fact that the voters of the district should get a say in who they want to represent them.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Are you her campaign manager or something?
Why would you think I wouldn't want the voters of that district to vote for who they want? Where did I say that?
I'm not someone who thinks voters will just vote for who AOC wants just because she says so. I just wish she would put her efforts into gaining seats for Dems, not sowing division.
Are you really so confused that you don't understand that we need to get rid of republicans or our democracy is over?
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,917 posts)She can do multiple things. Most people can. But it seems pretty cool here to hate on anything AOC does.
We can get rid of republicans and support people for a Dem primary that aren't currently in office. Both of those things can happen.
Cha
(297,154 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)As long as AOC supports the eventual Democratic nominee, whomever that may be, shes free to endorse anyone she chooses.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)PatSeg
(47,411 posts)It does get her name in the current news cycle though.