There are more millions of us than there are millions of them.

[Atticus]

We basically want to be left alone to live our lives, raise our children and pursue happiness in our own way.

We do not want to be told who to love or which religious faith---if any---we should profess.

We understand that "AR 15s are sporting rifles" is a damned lie and that some among us truly believe that "might makes right".

We are willing to tolerate those who look, dress or worship differently than us as long as they do not seek to impose their differences on us.

We are willing to pay our taxes and make sacrifices for the good of our nation, but we want those burdens shared fairly with even the most wealthy and privileged among us.

We are neither extremely liberal nor extremely conservative, though that does not mean we are "moderates" or "centrists"..

We believe in honesty, responsibility, social justice---and love.

There are more of us than there are of them---and we should insist that OUR views be respected.

[mucifer]

1. As long as the filibuster is maintained the minority party rules

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. And gerrymandering

[Chainfire]

17. And the current system of campaign finance.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

24. And the electoral college. Set up by whites for white supremacy to last generations. It worked.

[Nay]

47. And a stacked Supreme Court. Normal citizens are toast now. nt

[FakeNoose]

6. When the Dems were the minority party in the Senate, did WE rule THEM via filibuster?

I don't think so, other than a few instances. It's a strategy for the Repukes to rule us when they are the minority party.

[mucifer]

9. if we become the minority party they will get rid of the filibuster

[soldierant]

44. Between your comment and the replies to it,

several govermental practices are cited which each favor minoroti rule, and collectivelt make it virtually inevvitable -

gerrymanderng
campaign finance
the filibuster
the sebate
the electoral college

It's a wonder we have any democracy left at all as it is. They all need to go. I think the filibuster should be forst, since it neither in the Constitution nor in any laws anywhere.

Next, we need legislations to deal with campaign finance and gerrymandering - legislation with teeth.

Then I think the Electoral College - and I still believe the way to get rid of that is by getting enough states to join the National Popular Vote Copmpact. Eric Holder has been working on that, and it is close to covering enough electoral votes to go into effect. I don't think it can or could ever be adopted as an amendment untila nd unless the Compact has demonstrated its worth first, so I am all in on it. My state has passed it. Has yours?

Finally, we need to reform the Senate. I really don't have an answer to that one . However, IIRC 49 states have states Senates or the like (I think Montana is the only state which is unicameral? But don't quote me.) Don't most of them have ways of determining Senate districts that are more equitable than, say, two reps percounty? I know mine does. There has to be some guidance there.

The Electoral College and the Senate both being in the Constitution makes reforming both much more difficult. But not impossib;e.

[TigressDem]

2. SOMEHOW we need to make THEM think someone else is telling them to do the wrong things.

The MORE we INSIST, the MORE they RESIST.

There is a good thread here that explains the warped rational behind it.


IF we could get our way by insisting, I agree. We have every right to do so.

I just think it's like dealing with a 3 year old budding engineer. He has toys that can kill and is not afraid to use them because he does not truly understand the meaning of life or death.


BUT if we found a way to make them see the NRA is USING them and only wants their money and doesn't care about THEIR kids... it might work.

[Joinfortmill]

13. Parents of murdered childen need to sue the NRA.

[TigressDem]

14. Ya' know? Sounds like a great idea. NRA is blocking the votes on common sense gun reform

[kacekwl]

3. We will continue to be ruled by the minority

until the majority of people vote. It's amazing that those who complain the most don't seem to vote because they claim politicians are all the same bullshit.

[llmart]

5. +1000

Thank you!

[TxGuitar]

8. Exactly.

We do not vote like there are millions more of us. Nothing will change until the people vote.

[Hieronymus Phact]

11. This

They ALWAYS vote in all elections even for a amoral POS they don't like.
While everyone else needs to be FLUFFED, and catered to, and 'given a reason' to even bother paying attention.

[TigressDem]

15. true

[Amishman]

7. there are slightly more of us, but neither side is a majority

because you have a mass of conflicted, indifferent, or just plain disengaged people that are in neither camp.

It makes this - and most other political conversations - a lot more difficult.

[TigressDem]

18. How about all the DEMS that "accidentally" get dropped of the voter rolls down south?

Because there is a felon who used John Smith as an alias, bunch of fully legitimate John Smith voters are purged.

AND IF Rethugs had to wait 4+ hours in the hot sun to vote without even a drink of water being able to be offered without the good Samaritan going to jail, WOULD they even show up?

[Butterflylady]

10. People, people Atticus is right. Why do you think Biden won?

It wasn't only democrats that voted for him, there were republicans that voted for him. We have to remember there are lots of anti-trump voters also. Those are the ones that will put us over the top in November. Enough of your doom and gloom already.

[Lonestarblue]

16. The fear is that when Trump isn't on the ballot, anti-Trumpers will go right back to the R Party.

Trump is polarizing and if he is not on the ballot in 2024, the Republican-leaning independents and anti-Trumpers will just revert.

[FoxNewsSucks]

19. "Enough of your doom and gloom already. "

Right. Everyone can relax and go back to sleep. It'll all be OK.

Republicon fascists aren't scheming. They're not plotting. They haven't been putting things into place to seize and keep power despite being a minority.

We have nothing to worry about.




Yes, Biden won. I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that DESPITE being SEVEN MILLION votes ahead of the Orange Anus, had a few tens of thousands of votes gone the other way in a handful of states, that Orange Anus would still be in the oval office despite LOSING by SEVEN MILLION votes. That's not "doom and gloom". That's reality and it needs to be dealt with.

[NoMoreRepugs]

21. Spot on - every vote does count, we have to hope who counts the votes doesn't become more important.

[PortTack]

26. Thank you! For those piling on with doom and gloom, you think the gqp doesn't see this?

They do ..and it empowers them to continue.

The Ukrainian ppl would have already fallen had they taken the attitude that is displayed in these responses…shame on all of you!

[Joinfortmill]

12. Beautifully said. Vote, people. Just damn vote.

[Oneironaut]

20. It doesn't matter. Sorry.

30% (at most) of the country is cementing a permanent position of power, like Putin. Americans badly want Fascism, or, don’t care.

Americans are perfectly fine with, if not favorable to Fascism if it lets them feel powerful than “those below them.” Truth be told, the White, Straight, Cis, Middle Class’s lives won’t change that much, and, they know it. It doesn’t matter to them who is in charge.

The rest of us, they can’t leave alone. They want to kill us all, and they won’t be happy until they do. This is their country, not ours, in their opinion. We are just hostile invaders to be dealt with, and, Fascism is the cure.

I’m feeling doom approaching on the horizon. Talk me down. I feel like Biden is a bandaid over a failing system that’s going to collapse into Authoritarianism, and, most of the country is so desensitized to violence, tribalism, and Fascist rhetoric that they don’t care.

[NoMoreRepugs]

22. It's 2022 and 1/2 of the American adult population read below an eigth grade level

(a US education system 8th grade level at that) - with social media being at the center of so many of our fellow voters lives it's hard not to agree with your outlook.

[Atticus]

27. Broad brush much? But, yeah, you're probably right---there's no use in even trying to influence

voters or counter-act the Trumpies and their corporate funders.

Hell, why even vote, right? The fascist thugs will just steal the election anyway!

Sadly, I feel I must label that SARCASM.

[TigressDem]

30. This very vocal, loud minority is STILL the minority. GOTV

There are still MORE people who are generally NOT the elite rich or inbred poor and uneducated idjits obsessed with guns.

IF WE GET EVERYONE WHO CARES ABOUT LITTLE KIDS GETTING GUNNED DOWN IN BROAD DAYLIGHT TO VOTE, we win.

[ChuckInMO]

23. They don't believe that

In dumbfuckistan where 80% voted for TFG they absolutely believe that it's the same everywhere. They believe they outnumber us and any suggestion otherwise is fake news. Rural America is lost in its own reality.

[TigressDem]

31. OMG - I have to steal that!!!

DumbFuckiStan

[calimary]

45. Yeah, it's a good one!

Dumbfuckistan.

[BannonsLiver]

25. You left out the part about the idiot founders

And how they created a system that fosters minority rule.

[TigressDem]

34. The hope was that the majority would not be able to walk over the minority.

The rules of order they put in place did never imagine a jerk like tRump overturning everything.

BACK then, a man's handshake was an honest bond.

If you signed something, doubly bound to honor your word.

[Abolishinist]

36. I'm a big fan of minority rule...

as long as I'm a part of the minority!

[TigressDem]

28. 7 million more people voted for Biden than tRump

Biden had about 81.2 million votes, the most votes a candidate has won in US history

tRump had about 74.2 million.

[TigressDem]

41. So let's get a bigger majority so they can play tea party while we get the work done.

Let's make manchin and sinema irrelevant... or more irrelevant in terms of US needing their cooperation for anything.

[Blue Owl]

29. K&R

[Caliman73]

32. That means becoming politically active.

At very minimum, voting for politicians who will respect those views and put through legislation that supports your view.

The problem is that the "millions more" of us cannot be bothered to vote. The highest turnout in the last 60 years for voting was a mere 60% of eligible voters when Biden kicked Trump out of office.

The trick is convincing the apathetic and disaffected to come out to vote and get active in political life.

[brooklynite]

33. So, elect more Democrats? That's pretty much it.

[Hulk]

35. WE had better show up at the polls in November...

...because they damn sure will.

This is a race for the soul of our democracy. Two years of that ass licker mcCarthy is about as bad as having to be represented in national government by mtg and that boebert-boob.

[aggiesal]

37. A.K.A The tyranny of the minority. n/t

[Sogo]

38. Well said!

The way we insist that OUR views are respected is by VOTING!!

[budkin]

43. We don't have the 24/7 propaganda media echo chamber

We need our own.

[Beringia]

46. Hear Hear

[calimary]

48. Outstanding post!

Like a manifesto!