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RandySF

(58,772 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:53 PM Jun 2022

Pastor calls for every gay person to be lined up & "shot in the back of the head"

Pastor Dillon Awes of the Stedfast Baptist Church in Hurst, Texas had a very specific call for violence against LGBTQ people in sermon from this weekend.

Entitled “Why We Won’t Shut Up,” his sermon was about “the solution for the homosexual,” which he said is murder.

“What does God say is the answer, is the solution, for the homosexual in 2022, here in the New Testament, here in the Book of Romans?” Awes asked. “That they are worthy of death! These people should be put to death!”

“Every single homosexual in our country should be charged with the crime, the abomination of homosexuality, that they have,” he continued. “They should be convicted in a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death.”

“They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head! That’s what God teaches. That’s what the Bible says. You don’t like it? You don’t like God’s Word, because that is what God says.”

Stedfast is one of the most hateful churches in the country, and its pastors have repeatedly called for death to LGBTQ people.



https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/christian-pastor-calls-every-gay-person-lined-shot-back-head/

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Pastor calls for every gay person to be lined up & "shot in the back of the head" (Original Post) RandySF Jun 2022 OP
He should be arrested for pushing to murder Americans. rockfordfile Jun 2022 #1
I agree. roamer65 Jun 2022 #25
He should be a suspect in every hate crime in his own state. He just proved his lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #47
He and others of that congregation, like Pastor Shelley, Hortensis Jun 2022 #88
i hope WHAT HE IS "PREACHING" .... HAPPENS TO HIM. Just saying. Trueblue1968 Jun 2022 #90
That kind of hatred can only come from within Jerry2144 Jun 2022 #2
Arrested in Canada and most of Europe...free speech in America....think I see a problem. Alexander Of Assyria Jun 2022 #11
are you suggesting that a straight person couldn't be that hateful? fishwax Jun 2022 #45
No Jerry2144 Jun 2022 #46
Why self hatred? It's clearly homophobic bigotry fishwax Jun 2022 #57
Good point Jerry2144 Jun 2022 #64
thanks for considering the point and responding so graciously, Jerry2144! fishwax Jun 2022 #68
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Behind the Aegis Jun 2022 #107
interesting article! fishwax Jun 2022 #113
I'll bet that Moscow Mitch won't be calling for MontanaMama Jun 2022 #3
3...2...1 till his Grindr boyfriend comes forward. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #4
Perhaps there was a tiff. dchill Jun 2022 #95
Well... There's a good Christian for you. !!!!!!!!! LAS14 Jun 2022 #5
Romans 1:18-32 teach1st Jun 2022 #21
I just read that whole thing Romans 1:18-32 Beachnutt Jun 2022 #27
There are too many Christians who worship Paul... teach1st Jun 2022 #33
True. TomSlick Jun 2022 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #34
Saul, I mean Paul of Tarsus.... paleotn Jun 2022 #83
What a wonderful example of a godly person. Srkdqltr Jun 2022 #6
WWJ shoot in the back of the head? FalloutShelter Jun 2022 #7
Jesus never said that. He lies. blm Jun 2022 #8
Paul said it, not even God. nt Samrob Jun 2022 #51
Calling for violence against innocent people?? Run that SOB in Peacetrain Jun 2022 #9
I believe it was Jesus that said... LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #10
I know! Let's make it easy for him to get an AR15! nolabear Jun 2022 #12
There oughta be a law BeyondGeography Jun 2022 #13
STOCHASTIC TERRORISM! Coventina Jun 2022 #14
Yes, I would like to know this too. It is a CLEAR, direct incitement to murder. Celerity Jun 2022 #78
Where do you draw the line legally? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #84
What a hateful man and a liar. No where in the Bible is there a reference to guns MagickMuffin Jun 2022 #15
he's only doing this for $$$$$$$$$$$ nt msongs Jun 2022 #16
Hmmmm. roamer65 Jun 2022 #17
This heterosexual old man would have your back! Every time, Always! Chainfire Jun 2022 #19
... roamer65 Jun 2022 #20
This heterosexual old man is, as well. Aristus Jun 2022 #26
Great WWII song, and still relevant today! keep_left Jun 2022 #31
"amen" Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #50
I am not a "believer," but I did go to Sunday School, apparently, I didn't get to that part of the Chainfire Jun 2022 #18
"I didn't get to that part of the Holy scripture..." Mariana Jun 2022 #81
Old testament Chainfire Jun 2022 #93
"I didn't get to that part of the Holy scripture..." Mariana Jun 2022 #97
Time to revoke their tax exemption Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #22
way past time Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #53
Well so much for "Thou shall not kill." vlyons Jun 2022 #23
Have you read the Bible? Caliman73 Jun 2022 #30
But Christians are supposed to listen to Jesus's teachings, Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #35
Perhaps... Caliman73 Jun 2022 #41
Jesus's teaching about the Old Testament Law: Mariana Jun 2022 #82
Exactly inthewind21 Jun 2022 #37
In a book full of killing. paleotn Jun 2022 #92
What happened to "love thy neighbor" ? Beachnutt Jun 2022 #24
All the Bible is selective... Caliman73 Jun 2022 #36
it's why I became a Buddhist long ago vlyons Jun 2022 #48
There's Buddhist extremists also. Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #63
Buddha taught to use reason vlyons Jun 2022 #72
The "solution." Where have we heard that before... themaguffin Jun 2022 #28
What the fuck. milestogo Jun 2022 #29
Read an article from a REAL minister a while back MissMillie Jun 2022 #32
It's been my experience inthewind21 Jun 2022 #38
They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head! That's what God teaches. sarisataka Jun 2022 #39
Steadfast Church is hearing about it on their Facebook page teach1st Jun 2022 #40
Oops! teach1st Jun 2022 #42
It's spelled STEDfast. Like they know they're not really. dchill Jun 2022 #96
Contact their Facebook page MagickMuffin Jun 2022 #43
What a contrast with my father - Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #44
Does the Bible also teach that you need an AR-15 to complete this project? localroger Jun 2022 #49
"They should be convicted in a lawful trial..." SledDriver Jun 2022 #52
Did his Christian God tell him that? Emile Jun 2022 #54
Religious based terrorism in its clearest example Pyryck Jun 2022 #55
Stochastic terrorism Martin Eden Jun 2022 #56
And we wonder why the country is so fucked up njhoneybadger Jun 2022 #58
WTF Bible does he read? world wide wally Jun 2022 #59
the book of hitler ! maybe use the same tactic on him ! towerbum Jun 2022 #77
The one that says this: Mariana Jun 2022 #79
?? How does that relate in any way Roc2020 Jun 2022 #60
yep this describes llashram Jun 2022 #61
Just another fine upstanding Christian BlueIdaho Jun 2022 #62
I won't say what I'd wish on that stupid motherfucker, but it would hurt REALLY BigDemVoter Jun 2022 #65
I think his father gay.. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #66
omg. worse church than that crazy family that's always holding the the anti-gay signs Demovictory9 Jun 2022 #67
Tax exempt? Really? housecat Jun 2022 #69
What religion is that hateful? BlueJac Jun 2022 #70
That Christian Fraud should lose his tax exemption and face class action bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #71
I wonder how Bigot Dillon Awes responds to numerous Bible verses on the abomination of lying. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #73
Pretty sure what he's suggesting qualifies as, I don't know, genocide? Initech Jun 2022 #74
Very, Very, Stupid Mother F**ker... Stuart G Jun 2022 #75
The solution to Xtians.... paleotn Jun 2022 #76
What's the difference between the AfghanTaliban and the American Taliban? Martin Eden Jun 2022 #80
Thank God we don't have any religious terrorists in America IronLionZion Jun 2022 #85
Sorry Christians. You only get to pick the God of the new Testament. Not the God of the OT. ancianita Jun 2022 #86
Reading the bible is what turned me away from Christianity. Chainfire Jun 2022 #94
Right. Well, the Bible isn't the Christian guide. Jesus is. That's the very meaning of Christ - ian. ancianita Jun 2022 #99
Upon more reflection ... Nazi Christian bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #87
I dont recall Snackshack Jun 2022 #89
God commanded that men who have sex with other men must be executed Mariana Jun 2022 #98
True. roamer65 Jun 2022 #101
Since women were essentially property Mariana Jun 2022 #103
Good point. roamer65 Jun 2022 #104
Leviticus... Snackshack Jun 2022 #111
There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around in religion. Mariana Jun 2022 #112
So... jmowreader Jun 2022 #100
NAZI in thought and word. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #102
"It would be a real shame if something bad happened to Ilsa Jun 2022 #105
ah, the good old time religion RussBLib Jun 2022 #106
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #108
Sounds like a hate crime to me. Straw Man Jun 2022 #109
Ok try it with me vercetti2021 Jun 2022 #110
The Christian Taliban NowISeetheLight Jun 2022 #114

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
47. He should be a suspect in every hate crime in his own state. He just proved his
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jun 2022

intent to kill, and his chosen targets.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
88. He and others of that congregation, like Pastor Shelley,
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:54 PM
Jun 2022

probably leap to law enforcement minds when certain crimes are committed. They were evicted this year after losing an appeal for violating their lease, which prohibits threats and violence. They also had to pay attorney's fees. All on record, including the demonstrated pattern of hate speech.

They're relocated to a rundown strip mall in Watauga, where gay pride demonstrators make sure everyone knows what congregants are.

Jerry2144

(2,099 posts)
2. That kind of hatred can only come from within
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:56 PM
Jun 2022

What is he hiding or in denial about?


Time to revoke another church’s tax exemption

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
11. Arrested in Canada and most of Europe...free speech in America....think I see a problem.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jun 2022

One easily corrected.

And hate speech from the fake and real and all in between religion types is tax free in America as well!

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
45. are you suggesting that a straight person couldn't be that hateful?
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:03 PM
Jun 2022

that only a gay person could be so hateful? Because that seems really odd to me.

That kind of hatred can only come from within

What is he hiding or in denial about?

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
57. Why self hatred? It's clearly homophobic bigotry
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:44 PM
Jun 2022

And I think that's more likely to come from someone who is straight (especially one raised in a homophobic religious tradition) than from someone who is gay.

If homophobic bigotry comes primarily from self hatred, then we must conclude that gay people are more likely to be homophobic than straight people are. I don't think that's at all what you intended, but it's where the logic leads, which is why we should be wary of jumping to that conclusion.

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
107. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:15 AM
Jun 2022

...and...

Thank you!



Don't know if you saw the article I posted in LGBT, but if not, here it is... Researcher finds that people who are easily disgusted are more likely to be anti-gay. Oh, and case I forgot...

MontanaMama

(23,307 posts)
3. I'll bet that Moscow Mitch won't be calling for
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jun 2022

security for LGBTQ folks like he is for Judge Boof and he rest of the SCOTUS. These people are off the beam. Dillon Awes doesn't speak for God.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
5. Well... There's a good Christian for you. !!!!!!!!!
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:57 PM
Jun 2022

Does anyone know what passage in Romans he's talking about?

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
21. Romans 1:18-32
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201%3A18-32&version=NIV

Letter of Paul to the Romans, also called Epistle of St. Paul the Apostle to the Romans, abbreviation Romans, sixth book of the New Testament and the longest and doctrinally most significant of St. Paul the Apostle’s writings. It was probably composed at Corinth in about 57 CE. The epistle was addressed to the Christian church at Rome, whose congregation Paul hoped to visit for the first time on his way to Spain. The letter has been intensely studied since early Christian times and was the basis of Martin Luther’s teaching on justification by faith alone.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Letter-of-Paul-to-the-Romans

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
91. True.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jun 2022

Paul obviously had his issues. I tend to believe that Episcopal Bishop Spong had it right, he concluded that Paul was a "self-loathing and repressed gay male."

Response to Beachnutt (Reply #27)

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
83. Saul, I mean Paul of Tarsus....
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

The original televangelist. Smoothed out the rough edges of a Jewish sect so it would appeal to the rest of the empire. Much to Peter's chagrin. A mystery cult in an empire full of mystery cults. This one simply caught on.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
10. I believe it was Jesus that said...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jun 2022

…”Let he who is without….ah fuck, kill’em all and let dad sort’em out! Yeeeeeehaw! The least racist xenophobic doesn’t get his feet washed tonight!”

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
12. I know! Let's make it easy for him to get an AR15!
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:08 PM
Jun 2022

He’s got no criminal record, right? He’s over 18–hell, 21, right?

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
84. Where do you draw the line legally?
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jun 2022

He called for homosexuality to be outlawed and for those engaging in it to be tried, convicted and put to death. That's a horrible hate filled thing to say. But where do you draw the line?

Some would object to that being said about those who commit murder.

Some for thieves.

Some for liars.

Some for rude assholes.

Some for bad drivers.

Some for Steelers fans.

Some for those with bad haircuts.

Some for redheads.

Some for gays.

Some for Asians.

And we can keep on going.

The Supreme Court has drawn the line at specific calls for imminent violent and unlawful acts. And while it's not perfect, it seems like the best place to me. Anything more than that would allow a government controlled by the next Republican wannabe dictator far too much power to control speech.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
15. What a hateful man and a liar. No where in the Bible is there a reference to guns
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jun 2022


Ya know, as guns weren't invented back then.

Plus Jesus gave us 2 commandments. And they both involve love. Not hate.


Perhaps it's time to visit this sick fucks church. It isn't that far from me.





roamer65

(36,745 posts)
17. Hmmmm.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:17 PM
Jun 2022

Come and try to shoot this homosexual.

I WILL shoot back and when I do, I WILL aim to kill.

I’ll send you straight to hell, Pastor Fuckwad.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
26. This heterosexual old man is, as well.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:31 PM
Jun 2022

You have a lot more friends than this hateful "pastor" does; count on it.

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
18. I am not a "believer," but I did go to Sunday School, apparently, I didn't get to that part of the
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:18 PM
Jun 2022

Holy scripture, or the teachings of Jesus. He is inferring, that killing gays would be doing God's work. You have to wonder what "God" he serves because that is not the teaching of the God of Abraham. I hope Karma comes and pays the man an appropriate visit.

The man is proof that there is not the personal God of protestant teachings, for if there was one, the preacher would be stricken down for preaching such hate in God's name. He would be spouting that filth and zap, he would be gone in a flash of light and a puff of smoke. (The God of my Sunday School, could do that standing on his head.)




Mariana

(14,854 posts)
81. "I didn't get to that part of the Holy scripture..."
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:35 PM
Jun 2022

Leviticus 20 : 13 (NIV)

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
97. "I didn't get to that part of the Holy scripture..."
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:45 PM
Jun 2022

The Holy Scripture includes the Old Testament.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
30. Have you read the Bible?
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jun 2022

"Thou shall not kill" was only meant for Hebrews in "good standing". The first thing god commanded the Hebrews to do when they reached the "Promised Land" was to round up and kill all of the Canaanite men, boys, and women who were not virgins.

The Bible is not a book of peace. It is basically a book that anyone can look into and take whatever they wanted to justify their actions.

Elessar Zappa

(13,964 posts)
35. But Christians are supposed to listen to Jesus's teachings,
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jun 2022

which, for the most part, consist of loving your neighbor.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
41. Perhaps...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:48 PM
Jun 2022

But the Christian churches who put the Bible together, put Paul in a place of high importance and that statement that the pastor was quoting to justify his hate, come from Paul's letters to the early Christian Churches. If you are saying that only Christ's direct teachings were valid, then we would lose all other books of the Bible except the 4 Gospels, where Christ was supposedly quoted (even though the gospels were written decades after Christ's supposed death.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
82. Jesus's teaching about the Old Testament Law:
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:39 PM
Jun 2022
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5 : 17-18

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
92. In a book full of killing.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:58 PM
Jun 2022

Kind of ironic, really. Thou shalt not kill, unless I tell you to. But if you want to keep the virgins for your own jollies? Hey, whatever. Book of Numbers Chapter 31. The kind of story that would make Pol Pot and the Einsatzgruppen feel all warm inside. And people wonder where Xtians get this stuff from.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
36. All the Bible is selective...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:44 PM
Jun 2022

There are certainly things attributed to Jesus Christ that call for "turning the other cheek", but then again there are also statements like where Christ stated he was here to set parents against their children, families against families, etc...

People can and have interpreted the Bible to fit all kinds of good and very bad ideas.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
72. Buddha taught to use reason
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jun 2022

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

-- The Buddha

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
32. Read an article from a REAL minister a while back
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:39 PM
Jun 2022

It may even have been one that was posted in on the EOA page here at DU.

The REAL minister said that Jesus did not command us to point out other people's "sins." (I put that in quotes because I don't think being gay is a sin.)

Instead, the REAL minister said, that we are commanded to testify about how God's grace has saved us.


Too many of the evangelicals forget about the grace of God that is taught in the Bible. Kind of makes me wonder if they understand it at all. If they don't they have no business ministering to anyone.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
38. It's been my experience
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jun 2022

that the most zealous "Christians" in fact DO NOT understand their own religion.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
39. They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head! That's what God teaches.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jun 2022

I have read the Bible and don't recall a passage about shot in the back of the head.

I do recall something about throwing stones and he who is without sin.

Maybe I should look in the book of Armaments...

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
43. Contact their Facebook page
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jun 2022


Facebook.com/StedfastBaptist

Let's teach him some Jesus lessons.


From their fb pg


We recently got another strike on our main Youtube channel, so we wanted to give everyone a heads up as to where we'll be streaming our services until our main channel is back up. Please subscribe to our backup channels on Youtube and turn on the notification bell so you never miss a video!
We will continue posting our June.


Thank you all for supporting Stedfast Baptist Church! Please help us fight against censorship by sharing this post!




Let's let Facebook hear about this.

FIGHT BACK AGAINST HIS HATE!

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
44. What a contrast with my father -
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jun 2022

He was the first conscientious objector in the state in which he was raised because he truly believed all he was taught in the rural Baptist church in which he was raised about loving your neighbor, and he could not reconcile waging war with with those beliefs.

For that, he was invited not to return home (although he reconciled with his family relatively quickly, and later in life his father came to similar beliefs about Christianity and war (and the death penalty, and LGBT matters, etc.).

Guess it is the difference between really internalizing the true message of Christianity and trying to remocel God after your own image.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
49. Does the Bible also teach that you need an AR-15 to complete this project?
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:31 PM
Jun 2022

Cuz I"m pretty sure those were strictly unavailable to the general public in Roman times.

Pyryck

(99 posts)
55. Religious based terrorism in its clearest example
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:35 PM
Jun 2022

Did we not invade a couple of countries in the middle east over this whole hatred of, and terrorizing of americans thing?

p.s. where is Seal Team Six when you need them to take out a religious-based terrorist. Where's all the B52s, B1Bs and various other bombers carpet bombing these terrorists just to make sure we get the one?

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
79. The one that says this:
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:32 PM
Jun 2022
If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Leviticus 20 : 13 (NIV)

Roc2020

(1,615 posts)
60. ?? How does that relate in any way
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jun 2022

shape or form to what Jesus taught? Hypocrites. Wolves in sheep clothing. Murderers. A form of ISIS just a different religion.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
61. yep this describes
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jun 2022

the extreme RW pastors and their flock. In my naivety in the early 80s, I joined a very religious church. Their politics mirror this. I did not last long there at all. Turned me against organized religion that lasts to this day.

Lonestarblue

(9,975 posts)
73. I wonder how Bigot Dillon Awes responds to numerous Bible verses on the abomination of lying.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:22 PM
Jun 2022

I’m not an expert, but there are numerous Bible versus (I think more actually than verses about homosexuality) that call lying an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. If this fake Christian believes that gays should be executed, then I guess he also believes that liars should be executed. Let’s start with two of the biggest liars of all—Trump and Tucker Carlson.And, then, just to please me, could we add Ted Cruz to the list!

And there is also a prohibition against adultery that is widely ignored. The cafeteria Christianity practiced by Dillon Awes is disgusting but typical of the white evangelicals who want to establish their version of sharia law.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
85. Thank God we don't have any religious terrorists in America
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:50 PM
Jun 2022

We simply must ban anyone from his shithole country

If anyone acts on this, they will be declared mentally ill. Lots of excuses will be made.




ancianita

(36,023 posts)
86. Sorry Christians. You only get to pick the God of the new Testament. Not the God of the OT.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:51 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:47 PM - Edit history (1)

You get to live by what Jesus said.

There is no righteousness in this false pastor. He is a pharisee, not a Christ-ian.


Just go with what Jesus said in the Book of Matthew, and you'd never, ever sentence anyone to die.
""Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." Matthew 26:52






What Jesus said the rules of the Bible are:




Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
94. Reading the bible is what turned me away from Christianity.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:19 PM
Jun 2022

While there are some good moral lessons, and a smattering of history embedded in the document, you can use the bible to prove or disprove almost any argument. How can there be contradictions if the bible was dictated by a perfect God. If it was not dictated by God, then it is just a bunch of old world philosophers repeating what they had heard from other philosophers, and was then translated by people who had a vested interest in making the document work to sustain their wealth and power.

The idea of a personal God, that dictates the fall of every sparrow, and hears every prayer I find to be absurd. Incredible claims require incredible proofs.

Always remember, and never forget that the same God that sent Jesus, also sent us Ebola, Syphilis, and Republicans.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
99. Right. Well, the Bible isn't the Christian guide. Jesus is. That's the very meaning of Christ - ian.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jun 2022

Here's where the Bible got finalized, having been translated from Aramaic, Greek, Coptic, Ethiopian, Gothic, and finally Latin and modern languages.

The First Council of Nicaea, 325 A.D., convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, finalized the already substantial Bible. It didn't set the Christian canon but led to its formation.

Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of God the Son and his relationship to God the Father,[2] the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, mandating uniform observance of the date of Easter,[6] and promulgation of early canon law.


Voltaire started the idea of the pulling together of the canon, and it's pretty damn funny.

The main source of the idea that the canon was created at the Council of Nicaea seems to be Voltaire, who popularised a story that the canon was determined by placing all the competing books on an altar during the Council and then keeping the ones that did not fall off.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Misconceptions

There are scores of these paintings of Nicaea; they're almost like a timeline of art history by themselves. Even as an atheist I LOVE this stuff as part of art history!
















Mariana

(14,854 posts)
98. God commanded that men who have sex with other men must be executed
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:49 PM
Jun 2022

in Leviticus 20 : 13. He didn't specify any particular method of execution.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
101. True.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jun 2022

Also in Leviticus, it says that in the case of adultery, both the adulterer and adulteress must be put to death. So heterosexual infidelity has the same punishment as male homosexual relations.

Leviticus 20:10

If we did that, we would probably reduce the population of this country by 60 percent.



But I don’t see mention from Leviticus about a woman lying with another woman.

Hmmmm…was lesbianism ok?

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
103. Since women were essentially property
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:13 PM
Jun 2022

what they did among themselves was probably considered to be beneath notice.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
111. Leviticus...
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 11:20 AM
Jun 2022

Also comments on the planting of crops, wearing of clothes, goes disturbingly deep and detailed about the “unclean woman” and if I remember right there are a couple of things that get a person stoned to death, do not pass go…

The hypocrisy and cherry picking of that verse in Leviticus while ignoring the rest of the chapter or pretty much the rest of the Old Testament (I guess we should actually be thankful for that) highlights the hypocrisy that is woven into religion.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
112. There's plenty of hypocrisy to go around in religion.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jun 2022

People who pretend that the Bible doesn't say what it says - e.g. that men who have gay sex must be killed - are hypocrites, too.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
100. So...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jun 2022

.. if Pastor Dillon comes out, how should his congregation handle it? Shooting in the back of the head, or a good old-fashioned stoning?

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
102. NAZI in thought and word.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:41 PM
Jun 2022

And he encourages others to do the murderous deed.

Hope he gets all he deserves in return.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
105. "It would be a real shame if something bad happened to
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:18 PM
Jun 2022

that Stedfast church in Hurst Texas, especially when they are having services."

That's my counter to Pastor Awes

Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
109. Sounds like a hate crime to me.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 01:54 AM
Jun 2022

And an incitement to violence. Should be legally actionable, I would think.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
110. Ok try it with me
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:30 AM
Jun 2022

Fuck around and see that us transwomen are packing and we'll defend ourselves. Fuck around Christofascists and find out the gays are packing heat and will put your asses down in Lucifer's house.

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