As much as it will disappoint people, I'm not convinced evidence will come out implicating Trump.

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[onenote]

1. Agreed.

People have to realize that there is a difference between the violence perpetrated by and at the instigation of the Proud Boys and the attempts to come up with a legal theory for challenging and changing the outcome of the election. Trump's lies may have fed the Proud Boys efforts, but in the end that may not be enough to give rise to any charges against Trump.

[Thomas Hurt]

12. The Pig may have some state level criminal exposure for coordinating the elector scams...

and the GA call but yeah J6...I think his lackeys kept the Pig firewalled from that.

Of course what will come out is likely to be embarrassing and hopefully piss more people off enough to get out and vote.

In the end the Pig isn't going to jail, he is a 70 plus year old white rich guy, former President who has no previous convictions.

He will get fined, he may get some "resort" detention but that is it.

[Mme. Defarge]

2. After all of the over-the-top hyperbole

that’s certainly a buzz kill.

[msfiddlestix]

46. ✔️

[EarlG]

3. I trust this group to come to a fact-based conclusion

Not long now...

[elleng]

5. Thanks.

And of course it's all subject to interpretation.

[montanacowboy]

4. You are right

He will never pay for anything he has done and God forbid if he runs again and is elected, every bet is off.
I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of this whole goddamn thing and it goes way back to Fitzsmas and on and on and on. Republicans NEVER pay the piper and why is that? I am not having faith that anything will come of the hearings - just more blah blah. A Justice Department that is impotent and a minority that rules this country and nothing will fucking ever get done.

[brooklynite]

7. YOU seem to be saying that DOJ is CHOOSING not to go after Trump...

I'M saying that DOJ believe Trump isn't implicated, based on evidence.

[dpibel]

29. Overstating your case

The best you can say is that the DOJ may believe it does not have sufficient evidence to prove BRD that Trump is implicated.

That's quite a different thing.

But you know that.

[Autumn]

45. Based on evidence you have seen? I'm pretty sure we don't know what all evidence they have.

But yeah, the DOJ won't go after Trump.

[Arazi]

6. Same but for different reasons

He’s formed a cult. Closing the ranks will be even more vigorous than those seeking impeachment evidence

[Diablo del sol]

8. You never played a team sport or hated every minute you were forced to play....

Am I right?

[brooklynite]

9. I have no idea what this means.

[dweller]

10. Do tell

[Diablo del sol]

11. Not sure of the confusion

Very straight forward question. Acceptable answers:

1. Yes
2. No
3. None of your damn business

[brooklynite]

15. The question is straightforward; the relevance is not.

[Diablo del sol]

17. It is very relevant

yet you can't respond!

I have follow up observations/questions. But we will never get there. Oh well.

[brooklynite]

19. If its relevant, explain the relevance and I'll respond.

[Diablo del sol]

23. Comes down to vision

Ability to motivate, be a team player, look for your own weaknesses, how you can help others obtain the goal regardless of being the star or a supporting resource.

I have had great teammates and coworkers with minimal talent, talented teammates and coworkers who sucked at providing solutions unless they were the star or focal point.

Ukraine is a great example, a cohesive group working together towards a common goal. Conversely Russia is the opposite, some over inflated ego's with lower level resources either forced into on not buying into the cause.

Great people are sometimes soldiers, sometimes Generals, but they always look towards the end goal.

[happy feet]

38. This!

[brooklynite]

40. I'm not here to motivate. I'm here to discuss politics.

What gets discussed here has no impact on the real world.

As far as presenting a "downer" of an opinion, I might argue that having a realistic view of the situation is equalling valuable, in that it helps to focus action where its really needed.

[msfiddlestix]

48. If you meant to inply, TFG will not be facing charges

related to the 2020 elections and Jan 6th. Well that's already a forgone conclusion, so no brownie points there.


But that's not the point you were attempting to make or imply.

I'll leave it there.

[brooklynite]

51. Don't hold back on my account...

I'm saying I'm not convinced that evidence will be presented that will lead to a conviction of Trump. Nothing more.

[msfiddlestix]

54. I'm in agreement that Trump will not be convicted.

Just not in agreement that evidence will not be presented.

Hell, evidence was presented to the public in plain sight. Just because crimes he's committed personally hasn't lead to a conviction isn't evidence that he hasn't committed crimes in plain view to the public and the world.

That's the reality we live in.

[FoxNewsSucks]

50. "As far as presenting a "downer" of an opinion, I might argue that having a realistic view of the si

tuation is equalling valuable, in that it helps to focus action where its really needed."

I certainly hope you'll kindly remember your own true statement the next time someone else posts doubts or other concerns about the action/inaction/perceived inaction about Garland, the DoJ, or elected Democrats.

[brooklynite]

52. The purpose of the DOJ investigation isn't to "get" Trump

Its to investigate what criminal activity occurred and "get" whomever is responsible. I have no reason to assume that process isn't occurring.

[FoxNewsSucks]

53. I don't think anyone says that is the purpose

In fact, we probably all know that having such a purpose would undermine any investigation.

As said before, given what we've seen, the phone calls we've heard etc, it's hard to imagine he isn't involved somehow.

The difference is, we who are wary that history will repeat and criminal traitors will walk free are scolded for "impatience" and lack of direct knowledge by people with admitted blind faith and an equal lack of direct knowledge.

How about everyone just state their opinion, why they think that, and consider (instead of condemn) those with a different opinion?

[Treefrog]

61. I don't get the relevance either.

I also agree with the OP.

But for shits and giggles I’ll let you know I played team sports.

Can you explain relevance?

[greenjar_01]

32. ROFL

[Doodley]

13. They didn't put the handcuffs on Trump on Jan 6th, and they never will.

He's the man who tried to steal America for his own benefit, and it has never been given the seriousness that it should. He's still trying to do it. He's still trying to destroy this nation. One day we may well wake up to find our democracy has been replaced by a dicatorship and we will ask, "Why didn't they do anything?"

[brooklynite]

14. Have you informed President Biden of this blatant failure by DOJ?

it has never been given the seriousness that it should

Perhaps he's just not as aware as you are?

[Doodley]

22. He is never held to account. He has been allowed to get away with his lies ever

since his Obama birtherism. I am sick of all the BS excuses.

[dpibel]

30. Your faith--nay adoration--

is so charming.

[brooklynite]

41. So the answer appear to be "no"

You won't do anything other than complain from behind a keyboard.

[Ohio Joe]

16. For the violence on 1/6... probably not...

There are more crimes around the coup than that though and I think he will be shown having involvement. I also think he’ll suicide by fast food before any conviction happens.

[sprinkleeninow]

20. He do like them battered and deep fried creme filled cakes.

[brush]

25. Yes, he was intimately involved in the fake electors plan...

he asked the Georgia Sec. of State to find him votes so the state totals would favor him instead of Joe Biden, the actual winner.

He was in it up to his fat neck before Jan. 6.

[FoxNewsSucks]

18. Are you saying tRump was just their pawn?

"OfPutin" ?

[brooklynite]

21. I'm saying that I don't think DOJ (or the 1/6 Cmte) think Trump's rants rise to the level of "crime"

[dweller]

24. rants ...

✌🏻

[brush]

27. His involvement before J6 in the fake electors schemes...

sure seems criminal. And urging Georgia officials publicly to find him some 11k votes so he would be the winner of Georgia EC votes instead of Biden smacks of attempted voter fraud.

And then there's dereliction of duty in failing to move in a timely manner to stop the J6 insurrection.

Those sure seem to be crimes to me. And the committee probably has way more than that but for some reason he seems to be off limits for prosecution, much like with Bragg in Manhattan.

[FoxNewsSucks]

49. I don't think most of the ramblings he does at his klan rallies are crimes,

but there are numerous actual things he's done that are.

I thought maybe you meant that MF45 was likely a pawn, or useful idiot, of Putin, Bannon, Manafort, Steven Miller etc. That doesn't excuse him, but I would certainly agree with that suspicion.

[Emile]

26. But you said patience. .

[NewsCenter28]

28. Dear sir, i.e., Brooklynite, please read

My understanding from a post here and there over the years is that you are in the highest levels of the Democratic party or at least have connections to the highest-ranking Democratic officials. Without divulging your sources, of course, which I would never ask you to do, did you post this because you have connections to DOJ and the 1/6 committee that have told you directly that they found nothing criminal on Trump? Also, I presume that you already know much of what the 1/6 committee has planned to reveal in the upcoming 6 (likely) hearings. Is that correct?

Sincere thanks for your time.

Warmest regards,
NewsCenter28

[dpibel]

33. These are excellent questions!

I sure hope that the OP deigns to answer.

[NewsCenter28]

34. Secondarily, sir

If this is the case, the Democrats who have drummed up attention and dialed up the hype to 11, are guilty of major political malpractice that could precipitate an even worse midterm disaster, no? In short, if you are correct, we are fucked and Trump will easily win the WH back in 2024.

[brooklynite]

39. Answer: I do have connections to the highest levels of the Democratic Party...

...which means I have insight into politics, not government. It would be insane to imagine that DOJ or a House Committee would share confidential information with me (or anyone else in Democratic Party leadership). That said, I can make my own assessments about what actions DOJ and the Committee are taking and on where they may or may NOT present evidence.

With respect to Trump, I don't do what many here do, which is start with "of course he's guilty, therefore...". Guilt is a legal standard. With respect to the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol, I can believe that Trump was happy that it happened, but that he personally wasn't part of the planning or engaged in personal encouragement that meets the standard of guilt.

[kentuck]

42. It appears they would have to connect him directly to the Proud Boys or OathKeepers...

...in order to prove his involvement, even though we "know" they came to DC at his request and they marched to the Capitol at his command. What was he thinking when he chose the date of January 6th for the "Stop the Steal" rally?

We "know" what happened but that doesn't mean we can prove it in a court of law.

They really need a direct witness to validate the evidence.

[PRETZEL]

47. Since Judge Carter's ruling on Tuesday

concerning the Eastman documents, there may be information there that may pierce that connection.

And I keep being drawn to the December 22nd memo, author not known, that said the they no longer saw a legal avenue to stop the certification. To me, that seems to be a turning point.

We do know that there were plans being drawn up on one flank with Stone and the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and those militia type groups. We also know the flank that tried to have fake electors certified in the states where they thought they could get away with it.

If the legal route was going to be plan A, was the insurrection plan B?

[greenjar_01]

31. Surprise surprise

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. The new revelations from Judge Carter's court today rebuts your hypothesis. Nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

36. Jan 6 Committee's intel could be used to sue TFG into oblivion-even if he isn't criminally charged

I personally believe that there is enough evidence to bring charges against and convict TFG. This was a planned coup and there is some great evidence showing the TFG knew or should have known that the election was valid. I also believe that TFG will not dare to go to trial on a well pled federal case. If nothing else, TFG has alienated the top tier defense firm and is currently being represented by shopping center lawyers who are weak

I have worked on a number of plaintiff case over my career and have even argued several summary judgments. The evidence being produced by the Jan. 6 committee is compelling. TFG is being sued under the KKK Act in four or five cases and the evidence that the Jan 6 committee has available would kill TFG in these civil cases

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/jan-6-committee-s-intel-could-be-used-to-sue-trump-into-oblivion-even-if-he-isn-t-charged-with-a-crime-report/

On Wednesday, The Daily Beast reported that even if President Donald Trump is never indicted or convicted over the revelations from the January 6 Committee, it could still provide fodder for civil liability that could be used to bankrupt the former president under a mountain of litigation.

"While it’s doubtful the hearings will meet the sky-high expectations of those who believed the committee would expose open-and-shut wrongdoing from some of the nation’s top officials, the prime-time hearings will deliver one thing: evidence for many of the lawsuits seeking to make former President Donald Trump and other election denialists actually pay for the violence," reported Jose Pagliery. "'What the committee can't do is hold people accountable. But that’s where criminal prosecutions and civil litigation comes in,' said Edward G. Caspar, an attorney representing injured and traumatized Capitol Police officers who are suing Trump after the violence insurrection."

As the report noted, the committee will be revealing a treasure trove of information for anyone who wants to pursue Trump civilly.

"According to the panel, it has interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses and collected at least 140,000 documents, obtained through subpoenas and delivered under oath," said the report. "Attorneys working on cases against Trump are already considering how to get that evidence — in some cases, videos or interview transcripts — into a form that’s admissible in court for their cases. Luckily for those attorneys, the witnesses who spoke to the committee were already under oath when they testified."

"One of the attorneys on [Congressman Eric] Swalwell’s legal team, Phil Andonian, thinks new evidence might persuade the judge that there’s a strong enough case that the Republican congressman bore some responsibility for the damage at the Capitol," said the report. "It was already known that Brooks, a Trump loyalist who peddled all kinds of disproven voter fraud claims, wore a bulletproof vest on the morning of Jan. 6 when he told riled up protesters near the White House that their ancestors had 'sacrificed their blood… and sometimes their lives.'"

This are torts that may be discharged in Bankruptcy and there may be a remedy available under the KKK Act to ban TFG from holding future federal office

I am going to enjoye these civil cases

[EndlessWire]

37. Well, I like the part about

him not being able to hold any Federal office. But, if anything, it will drive him to running in 2024 so that he can claim he can't be sued while in office, or some such argument as he may make.

[Azathoth]

43. This is "Russian collusion" all over again

The goalposts for what is supposed to be "uncovered" get pushed further and further into unsubstantiated criminal territory. The Mueller Report came out and formally confirmed everything we already knew about Trump, and yet it was considered a "failure" because it didn't uncover a secret sex orgy between Putin and Trump inside a mountain lair in Switzerland.

Just as with Russiagate, the rough outline of Trump's involvement in J6 is already known. He was aware of violent insurrectionary talk in his base, he actively fueled it in the runup to J6, he incited his mob to attack the Capitol, then he sat back and enjoyed the carnage on TV while refusing for hours to call off the attack.

There has never been credible evidence that Trump himself actively conspired with domestic terrorists to overthrow the government and assassinate his own vice president. The only serious questions have revolved around how much members of his staff knew ahead of time, and what administrative actions they took to increase the possibility of an attack.

[brooklynite]

44. Absolutely...

how much members of his staff knew ahead of time, and what administrative actions they took

However, I suspect most people here will consider the investigation a failure if they DON'T link Trump to his staff's activities.

[bluedigger]

55. The only way you get a mob boss is to flip a lieutenant, or get an informant inside.

I don't see any of Trump's capos flipping, nor do I see any informants close enough to take him out. He'll skate.

[Novara]

56. The only skill he has is ...

... getting others do do his criminal deeds without explicitly stating it. It's allowed him to skate on everything else.

[H2O Man]

57. I doubt that your opinion

will disappoint many, if any, people here.

[MineralMan]

58. Not having seen all of the evidence, I'm not forming an opinion of it.

I'm not convinced of anything yet, so I'm eagerly awaiting additional information.

Thus, I have no conclusions to offer at this time.

[PRETZEL]

60. Somewhat agree

but I think it's natural that I've formed my opinion based off what I already know. But, I agree that without knowing everything the committee knows, I can't be assured that my opinion of those events align with the committee or not.

So, at least for me, I may have a conclusion of what Trump's role in all this was, but I could just as easily be wrong as I could be right.

[Ptah]

59. Your opinion does not disappoint me.