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Why do parents buy their children toy guns? (Original Post) milestogo Jun 2022 OP
It's been that way for decades. I'm sure it's for cops and robbers or some game like that. jimfields33 Jun 2022 #1
Before guns, it was slings, toy bow or blunt sword/spear sticks. haele Jun 2022 #14
I never brought my son a toy gun when he was young kimbutgar Jun 2022 #2
Yeah, I saw a couple of them today when I was out walking. milestogo Jun 2022 #4
'Murica Celerity Jun 2022 #40
We only had squirt guns JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #3
Because they want them. sunflowerseed Jun 2022 #5
Yes, I saw one mother explain if she didn't buy the gun he'd just use his finger anyway meadowlander Jun 2022 #16
Enlightened parents don't, but Chainfire Jun 2022 #6
I had cap pistols and squirt guns as a kid, but then I was a kid in the 1950's. patphil Jun 2022 #7
Squirt guns are fun because they do no harm even if they are annoying. milestogo Jun 2022 #15
Yes they do, and I have no problem with them. patphil Jun 2022 #17
I had toy guns as a kid. Happy Hoosier Jun 2022 #8
Playing cowboys and Indians Tom Kitten Jun 2022 #9
When I was a kid back in the late 50's and early 60s, grumpyduck Jun 2022 #10
I had to stop and think for a second before I answered this question. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #11
I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of kids, sarisataka Jun 2022 #12
I had toy guns and squirt guns as a kid rurallib Jun 2022 #13
I never bought my daughter a gun Trailrider1951 Jun 2022 #18
Why do parents let their kids play violent video games? Kaleva Jun 2022 #19
Playing video games increases IQ in children. It's a proven fact. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #26
I can agree with that. Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #41
You probably feel the same way with toy guns then Kaleva Jun 2022 #43
I grew up with lots of toy guns. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #44
Same here. Kaleva Jun 2022 #46
I had a BB gun once. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #47
It's societal. Movies and TV are full of "clean" killing. usonian Jun 2022 #20
When I was a kid, my parents would not buy toy guns for me, although I wanted them. Earth-shine Jun 2022 #21
I'm reminded of my friend who wouldn't buy her son guns, and he made them out of everything he could chia Jun 2022 #24
Why not? DavidDvorkin Jun 2022 #22
In hope he will be in the news someday alfredo Jun 2022 #23
Born in 1945, I had lots of toy guns as a kid. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #25
I think something that was wholesome in 1945 and 1965 can be unwholesome later on. milestogo Jun 2022 #27
I grew up with daily duck-and-cover drills and warnings of imminent atom bomb attack. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #29
We had something like that in the 60s but not so often milestogo Jun 2022 #34
The gun violence rate Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #42
Better questions inthewind21 Jun 2022 #28
I had a toy howitzer as a kid. Binkie The Clown Jun 2022 #30
Because there is a demand for them in toy stores? EX500rider Jun 2022 #33
Do you want sarisataka Jun 2022 #35
"Ever seen a toy nuke?" EX500rider Jun 2022 #37
My mother wouldn't allow them tenderfoot Jun 2022 #31
i still have my machine gun water pistol from the 50s... samnsara Jun 2022 #32
Does coverage begin tonight? iemanja Jun 2022 #36
Cops and Robbers is fun and harmless, but 2A fantasy people took that away from kids gulliver Jun 2022 #38
I had toy guns as a child in the 50s. Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #39
I don't think that's really a thing anymore BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #45
Lots of adult things are made in toy versions. Like toy cars. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #48
guns are never toys, but these aren't really guns (they're toys) fishwax Jun 2022 #49

jimfields33

(15,769 posts)
1. It's been that way for decades. I'm sure it's for cops and robbers or some game like that.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jun 2022

We got cap guns as kids. Water guns as teens. Fun times!

haele

(12,647 posts)
14. Before guns, it was slings, toy bow or blunt sword/spear sticks.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jun 2022

But back in those days, those "toys" were training for hunting or war as well as play.

Kids are short, brutish, and sometimes nasty. Part of the growth process is to explore both life and death through play before they need to deal with it in the real world. Unfortunately, a good number of them never grow out of the childish fantasy stage.

Haele

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
2. I never brought my son a toy gun when he was young
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jun 2022

I remember as a kid In the 60’s having a cowboy type gun but with those little spark shots and got bored with it and gave it to my younger boy cousin (who ironically became a cop)!

I saw recently a pink assault weapon for a child and thought what kind of parent would buy that for their kid but an idiot.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
4. Yeah, I saw a couple of them today when I was out walking.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jun 2022

Toy assault weapons. There were none in my family when I was growing up.

sunflowerseed

(273 posts)
5. Because they want them.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:27 PM
Jun 2022

I wanted toy guns as a child because I saw them on TV. I got them. I used a stick or my finger to pretend I had a gun before I got them. I've seen other kids do the same.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
16. Yes, I saw one mother explain if she didn't buy the gun he'd just use his finger anyway
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jun 2022

"because that's what boys are like".

I don't agree at all with that, but I think that's the reasoning a lot of parents use. "Boys are inherently violent so what are you going to do?"

I think the obvious response is "Don't cater to it".

Also the parents might not be thrilled but they could get them as presents from grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc with different views and they don't feel strongly enough about it to take the present away from the kid.

And where do you stop? Most kids get collectable action figures from movies and TV shows and in most movies and TV shows the hero uses violence to solve their problems and therefore have weapons. If you kid has a bunch of action figures with little guns so they can shoot each other, how big of a step is it for the kid to have his own version?

My brother and I had lightsabers and plastic pirate swords and when we broke those we used sticks. I almost took his eye out once by accident. At least with a squirt gun the odds of that are reduced.

The real problem is thousands of years of mass culture telling us that violence is romantic and cool.


Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
6. Enlightened parents don't, but
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:27 PM
Jun 2022

My real problem is with parents that buy their children real guns, or leave their guns unsecured from the children. IF you go to conservative forums, especially firearms forums, you will see videos of parents teaching first graders to shoot.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
7. I had cap pistols and squirt guns as a kid, but then I was a kid in the 1950's.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:29 PM
Jun 2022

One of my favorites was Hopalong Cassidy. Also got a BB gun at about 12 years of age.

Things have changed a bit since then, and the "toy" guns are much too realistic to be recognized by cops as toys.
It's all part of the gun culture programming...grooming kids to love their guns when they get old enough to buy the real thing.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
17. Yes they do, and I have no problem with them.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:40 PM
Jun 2022

But my teachers still confiscated them. I should have claimed a 2nd Amendment rights violation, but my dad would have smacked me hard. So much for the constitution.

Happy Hoosier

(7,285 posts)
8. I had toy guns as a kid.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:30 PM
Jun 2022

Can't say it hurt me at all.

But then, my parents taught me to respect my fellow humans and disdained violence as a solution whenever possible (for the most part anyway).

I don't think toy guns are the problem. Most of us can separate fantasy from reality. I think our actual violent culture is the problem. Where people like MAGAts openly express the desire to murder their opponents and there is little or no pushback from our culture at large.

Tom Kitten

(7,346 posts)
9. Playing cowboys and Indians
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jun 2022

My folks didn't care about guns at all but I got a holster and toy gun (cap pistol) along with a cowboy hat when I was really little. Westerns were ubiquitous in my childhood and I thought they were all boring. Well except for the Lone Ranger. He was cool. And Zorro too. But Zorro used a sword.

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
10. When I was a kid back in the late 50's and early 60s,
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jun 2022

lots of boys had toy guns. A company by the name of Maco Toys produced enough military-style gear to outfit a pretend army: rifles, pistols, anti-aircraft guns, web gear, tents, you name it. My friend and I practically had an arsenal: we'd watch old war movies and then go outside and play them out. Nobody thought anything of it.

I doubt he ever fired a real one once he grew up, and the last time I did was in the military forty-odd years ago.

I don't have a clue what changed.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
11. I had to stop and think for a second before I answered this question.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jun 2022

Because my first thought was to remember what "I" used my toy gun for when I was a child. It was solely for one purpose...to kill people I was told not to like, such as Injuns and Nazi's (we just called them Germans).
I would hazard a big ole fat hypothesis that this has not changed in 60 years. They are bought so that kids can pretend to kill people they don't like.
I am open to other reasons.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
12. I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of kids,
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:32 PM
Jun 2022

Mostly boys. We had lots of toy guns, pistols, rifles, shotguns even toy submachine guns. They made all kinds of bangs, pops, clicks, or fired caps. Some shot darts, balls, water or sparks but most just made noise.

Somehow all of us grew up, not always on the straight and narrow, without ever shooting anyone.

We knew the difference between "toy" and "real".

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
13. I had toy guns and squirt guns as a kid
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jun 2022

and that was the last time I ever touched something that looks like a gun.

I think the problem has less to do with toys and more to do with role models, especially parents.

My parents never had a gun, nor did any of their friends. My brothers nor I ever had guns.

Our parents were very heavy smokers and drinkers. My oldest brother never quite took to those vices, but my older brother and I sure did. I quit smoking in my 20s after 12 years. I quit drinking @37 after well over 2 decades of heavy drinking. My brother has only quit in recent years.

My dad was also quite a gambler and carouser and those almost got the oldest brother into trouble. Fortunately he realized what was happening before he really fell in.

People in public life praising guns are I think much more cancerous than toys. They make it acceptable.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
18. I never bought my daughter a gun
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jun 2022

I never bought her a barbie doll either. She got a bicycle, skis, and star wars action figures, among other things.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
19. Why do parents let their kids play violent video games?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:52 PM
Jun 2022

What's the the difference between having a toy gun in hand or a controller where in each case, the goal is to kill others?

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
26. Playing video games increases IQ in children. It's a proven fact.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:17 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.healthygamer.gg/blog/video-games-make-you-smarter-backed-up-by-research

My kids all played violent video games as kids. They are all peaceful, loving, law-abiding adults.

Now my grand kids play violent video games as they grow up, and if you ask them they think you'd be an idiot to confuse a game with reality. Oddly enough, they do know the difference between fantasy violence and real violence. They can enjoy the fantasy, yet hate the real thing. That's not an issue for someone of average intelligence.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
41. I can agree with that.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jun 2022

But there were no video games when I was a kid, so my favorite toys were Lincoln Logs and Erector Sets. I wouldn't deny kids video games, but toys or games where you build something rather than destroy something have to be good.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
43. You probably feel the same way with toy guns then
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 07:07 PM
Jun 2022

They are harmless

Read an article awhile back stating that the military was developing modern weapons control equipment that is similiar to gaming controls. I thought at the time that was a smart move. Millions already trained or at least familiar with modern weapons and trained in small unit tactics.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
44. I grew up with lots of toy guns.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 07:35 PM
Jun 2022

They didn't harm me. Of course a sample size of 1 is hardly statically significant.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
46. Same here.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 07:56 PM
Jun 2022

I went hunting the first year I was old enough but was the only time. The idea of killing something that I really didn't have to turned me off despite years of playing with toy guns.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
47. I had a BB gun once.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 08:14 PM
Jun 2022

One of my friends asked to see it. He took it and shot a bird. I was so shocked and horrified I took the gun back and put it in the garage and never took it out again. That was more than 65 years ago and the memory of it still bothers me.

usonian

(9,776 posts)
20. It's societal. Movies and TV are full of "clean" killing.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 03:53 PM
Jun 2022

And it's considered too traumatic to show stuff like "Full Metal Jacket"

Except for kids who witness it, sadly, in real life.

For the music lovers among us, opera is absolutely FULL of murder, suicide, you name it.
But in every instance that I recall, the dying person sings a damn nice aria.

And how about "A Masked Ball" by Verdi?
Censors were so ripshit about a king being murdered, that he had to move the plot to BOSTON!!

Earth-shine

(3,994 posts)
21. When I was a kid, my parents would not buy toy guns for me, although I wanted them.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 04:00 PM
Jun 2022

So, I made them myself.

chia

(2,244 posts)
24. I'm reminded of my friend who wouldn't buy her son guns, and he made them out of everything he could
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 04:10 PM
Jun 2022

find: sticks, legos, tinkertoys. I think she finally gave up.

I grew up with squirt guns, cap guns and BB guns, I can still smell the gunpowder from the cap strips, and when a cap gun wasn't handy we'd scrape them with a rock on the sidewalk.

We considered them toys, nothing more. My kids had airsoft guns and played paintball, but towards the end of their high school years, that fell by the wayside. Sports and jobs took up a lot of their spare time, and by then (early aughts) I was too worried that someone would call the cops on them if they were shooting targets out in the field.

DavidDvorkin

(19,473 posts)
22. Why not?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jun 2022

I had toy guns growing up, and my friends and I played violent imagination games with them. I grew up to be a strong supporter of gun control. If it were possible, I'd love to see guns completely eliminated. At the same time, I have enjoyed movies with guns and violence; those have nothing to do with reality.

There's no correlation.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
23. In hope he will be in the news someday
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 04:04 PM
Jun 2022

Maybe he will go down in history as the most prolific school shooter ever. Even gun nuts have aspirations for their kids.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
25. Born in 1945, I had lots of toy guns as a kid.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jun 2022

I grew up to be a pacifist, and I would never in my life own a real gun.

But as a kid, I had a cowboy hat, cowboy boots, and a six shooter in a holster at my side, just like all my other friends.

IMHO: people who blame toy guns are way off the mark.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
27. I think something that was wholesome in 1945 and 1965 can be unwholesome later on.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:18 PM
Jun 2022

Its the context.

I never dreamed that harm could come to me when I was growing up. School was the safest place in the world.

But the country didn't have 400 million guns and a crazy right wing when we we growing up. There weren't mass shootings every other day. Kids weren't killing kids.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
29. I grew up with daily duck-and-cover drills and warnings of imminent atom bomb attack.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jun 2022

I'm glad you felt safe, but I never did.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
34. We had something like that in the 60s but not so often
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:31 PM
Jun 2022

and I'm not sure anyone explained why we were doing it.

Elessar Zappa

(13,964 posts)
42. The gun violence rate
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jun 2022

was actually much higher in the 70s, 80s, and 90s than it is now. We have now a specific problem of mass shootings but otherwise, we live in a (relatively speaking) more peaceful society than any other time since the early 60s.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
37. "Ever seen a toy nuke?"
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jun 2022

Yes, my 1/48 scale model B-29 Superfortress bomber came with a scale A-bomb, actually both of them, Little Boy & Fat Man

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samnsara

(17,616 posts)
32. i still have my machine gun water pistol from the 50s...
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:24 PM
Jun 2022

...guns were part of the roy rogers annie oakly childhood cowboy heroes of the past. They were not looked upon as weapons of domestic terrorism as they are now.

Also my grandfather was Chief of Police so everyone had a healthy respect for them... i would (try to) hit my sister on the head with the butt instead of 'shooting' her....

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
38. Cops and Robbers is fun and harmless, but 2A fantasy people took that away from kids
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:51 PM
Jun 2022

Run around with a toy gun today, you'll get shot by someone. (Honestly, I remember coming close to someone doing that even back in the 1970s. You had to be careful playing Cops and Robbers around some houses.)

Take a toy gun to school or even point your finger like it's a gun at school, and you'll now get parents called in by the school administrators at a minimum. You could even get an in-school suspension for a first offense and a note in your permanent record.

That happened because of Columbine, and Columbine happened because of assault weapons and the evil trope scripts they facilitate. Kids can't play Cops and Robbers or soldiers anymore. Too many "grown-ups" (loosely used term) want to do that now.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
39. I had toy guns as a child in the 50s.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jun 2022

I don't know how it affected others, but it made me see guns as part of my childhood I left behind when I became an adult.

Sort of like having a fort with a sign that says No Girls Allowed. As an adult, I prefer the presence of women everywhere I go.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
45. I don't think that's really a thing anymore
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 07:47 PM
Jun 2022

I had an arsenal of them as a kid. M16, Star Wars blasters. I’ve owned exactly 0 real firearms in my life and have no desire to own one.

SYFROYH

(34,169 posts)
48. Lots of adult things are made in toy versions. Like toy cars.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 08:17 PM
Jun 2022

I bought my kid one of the wooden toy shotguns that pop a cork attached by a string.

I think I heard a million pops that weekend.
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