Can some refute this data, on shootings, I am having trouble.

[thatdemguy]

I was having a discussion with someone about mass shootings. They sent me the below chart with mass shootings by year, it excludes gang violence and armed robberies. It sure seems like a lot less than what I hearing in the news and here and I cant seem to find a breakdown of mass shootings to show this is incorrrect.

its from here. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56509481

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[Abnredleg]

1. A lot of shootings are gang related

That’s certainly the case in Greensboro.

[SoCalDavidS]

2. See This

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

According to this, there were 6 with a total of 43 Killed in 2021.

[mercuryblues]

3. Mass shootings

And mass killings aren’t always equal. They each have their own definitions. All mass shootings are not mass killings.

[Miguelito Loveless]

4. Here is the current Wikipedia entry

on mass shootings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

The graphic is suspect unless a link is provided. It may have been taken earlier in the year.

[canetoad]

5. On the BBC page

Is an explainer of the chart.

The Colorado supermarket shooting was the seventh mass killing in the US so far this year, according to a database compiled by the Associated Press (AP), USA Today and Northeastern University. The database defines mass killings as four or more dead.

The figures didn't originate from the BBC and there is conflict in whether mass shooting is three or four victims.

[Miguelito Loveless]

7. Still wrong

There were 5 shooting incidents in 2010, 4 with 4 or more victims. This chart claims 2 shootings.

[sarisataka]

6. It depends entirely on how one defines mass shooting

Some say 4 dead, some say 3 others count wounded even if none killed. Some, as above, will not count gang related shootings, other who want higher numbers will include people injured even if they were not shot. Yesterday I saw a report of a mass shooting where no one was shot. (??)

Narrow definitions give low numbers, the loosest give the 300-400 a year you often see in the MSM

There isn't a standard definition.

[Miguelito Loveless]

9. "mass shooting" means people shot

"mass killing" means people dead.

The chart above is inaccurate.

[sarisataka]

11. I noticed that after posting

I had read shooting in the OP title and didn't note the chart was mass killing.

I have to agree it is wrong for 2021. The top four in 2021 that clearly fit their criteria have 35-37 dead, depending if the shooter is counted.

[Miguelito Loveless]

13. It is wrong on a lot of other years as well

The source of the data, according to the poster, is "The Crime Prevention Resource Center" a pro-gun "think tank".

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/

[Amishman]

18. original chart is excluding gang related, which could explain the difference

Given the particularly narrow definition given (3+ killed) and the exclusions indicated, that chart could be accurate. If it is wrong, it is not dramatically so.

[Miguelito Loveless]

19. Again, "mass shooting" means people shot

"mass killing" means people dead. Even excluding less that 4 people shot the graphic is wrong. It is wrong for this year as well, even by the "gang shooting" exclusion criteria. The original poster sourced the data to a site which I have found to be a pro-gun "research" institute.

See above posts where I link to the relevant data.

[Amishman]

20. I understand you disagree with the definition they are using

I am saying that - while somewhat misleading as they chose a less common and particularly narrow definition - the graph could very well be correct within the constraints of their chosen definition.

There is not a universally accepted definition of the term.

[Miguelito Loveless]

21. I am arguing about the basic definition of English words

Also, again, the source that is ultimately cited to back up the data is "pro-gun".

[thatdemguy]

10. This is what I was going off of.

The news states there is a lot more, and I see it quoted here as well.

[thatdemguy]

8. Well it looks like

I am stuck I found this and it roughly matches the above. Take out gang and robbery type crimes and there is not much. I guess I cant win that fight.

[link:https://crimeresearch.org/2019/07/breaking-down-mass-public-shooting-data-from-1998-though-june-2019-info-on-weapons-used-gun-free-zones-racial-age-and-gender-demographics/|

[Miguelito Loveless]

12. The source is suspect

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/crime-prevention-research-center/

Also, the 2010 figures are wrong. Compare the Wikipedia page which LINKS to each shooting with details.

I would very much contest this information as fake.

[thatdemguy]

14. Ok I just found that site on a google search.

But over all its a lot less than I thought.

[Miguelito Loveless]

17. The major point is that it is a "pro-gun" site

founded by a gun rights advocate masquerading as a "research" institute.

[wryter2000]

15. 2020 and 2021

Were COVID years when people were at home. We know 2022 has gotten worse.

[rownesheck]

16. Bingo.

There's the answer.

[SoonerPride]

22. So mass killings of gang members and robbery victims is OK?

Why parse the data like that?

Mass death is mass death.

It seems like anyone saying "well if you take out these two categories it's really not that bad" has an agenda.

And it's not a good one.

[Ohio Joe]

25. Here I agree with you...

Why omit such data? Are the victims any less dead?

Makes no sense to disregard some numbers.

[niyad]

24. google mass shootings 2022 and go to the wiki link. Almost 300 so far this year

alone.