* 1/6 Committee Hearings discussion thread NUMBER 4*

[Scrivener7]

Welcome to thread NUMBER 4!

(Here is the link to number 3 if you would like to look back: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16781774)

[spanone]

1. KICK

[uponit7771]

2. WHERE WAS THE MILITARY ?!?!!?

[DURHAM D]

4. Waiting to be called?

[uponit7771]

40. If they need to be called to action against this we're in deep shit !!!

[DURHAM D]

56. Do you expect them to come individually and not as a unit? nt

[uponit7771]

61. Against this?! ANYTHING would be better than nothing, its the capital complex with bomb threats

... against it then it gets attacked and the capital complex gets breached while the transfer of power is going on.

That's not something I expect them to watch on TV for 4 hours.

[DURHAM D]

72. Where exactly do you think they were at the time?

How did you think they were supposed to get there? How many members of the military do you think should have shown up.

Did you expect the army, marines, navy and coast guard? I don't follow your thinking at all.

ETA: Done

[uponit7771]

77. There are 23,000 people in the pentagon 34 mins *WALK* away from the capital building and

... enough arms to do something.

Relative to facts that aren't in dispute I don't follow the intimation the US Military couldn't have done something before having to be asked.

[localroger]

84. Generally speaking, the military are forbidden to do anything on US territory

It's part of their oath and they all, especially the highest leaders, take it quite seriously that their role is not to have any role at all in domestic affairs. That's what the police and the national guard are supposed to be for. Getting the military involved in domestic affairs is how you get coups where your new leader for life is a general in that military.

[spooky3]

9. Earlier they said Pence tried to call them up but Trump

Did nothing.

[Tree Lady]

18. I heard that to wondered if Pence

Didn't have the authority to call them up if Trump said no.

[edhopper]

12. Esper refused to call out the Nat Guard

And Joint Chiefs needed the President to order it.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. During the.very first hearing last year that came up

Including the deployment delay.

[jimlup]

28. That is a very significant question

and we all know the answer too. The Trump Administration and particularly Donald Trump himself have set the very bottom of the American experiment in democracy.

[uponit7771]

33. +1,

[mcar]

64. Trump's acting SecDef refused to

send them.

[uponit7771]

66. +1,

[crickets]

68. Yep. All part of the plan. nt

[ms liberty]

3. Kick. Still riveting, and stomach churning.

[Bluepinky]

5. Powerful testimony by Officer Edwards.

Showed their lawlessness and disrespect of Capital Police.

[Lars39]

6. Officer Edwards is tuff!

Injured and still doing her best

[nolabear]

7. "We're gonna need more people."

Yeah.

[Marthe48]

8. Officer Edwards is a hero

I thought getting hurt like that in real life was a stopper, but she just kept getting up and fighting on. Courage and strength!

[nolabear]

10. Ain't it the truth.

[spooky3]

11. It's upsetting to see how stressed she is having to rehash this. Nt

[Marthe48]

57. I hate seeing that

I hope that telling her story will help her heal entirely.
If cops aren't ex-military, if they haven't serve in the armed forces before they join a civilian police force, they aren't going to have the training to fight traitor mobs.

[spooky3]

65. Exactly nt

[crickets]

13. Yes, Officer Edwards is amazing. So proud and *glad* we had people like her there that day,

but so horrified at what they went through.

[NewHendoLib]

14. hard to listen to and essential to listen to. We are privileged to be hearing from an American hero

[Scrivener7]

15. Ok. That made me teary.

[Novara]

16. Jeebus this is well done

[IcyPeas]

17. Don Jr., Rick Scott and Ted Cruz posing for pictures with Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

71. Thugs, every one

Thugs

[nolabear]

19. Officer Edwards:

[Scrivener7]

25. Yes.

[jcgoldie]

27. She's so great

“Warzone” tell me again about tourists then go fuckyourself.

[FalloutShelter]

31. Hero

[Hekate]

75. Officer Edwards

[happybird]

93. Yes

The footage of her holding those gates/bike racks while being attacked by a mob of angry assholes made my stomach churn while also being awed by her fierce bravery and toughness. Then continuing on with a head injury. She is a hero.

[NewHendoLib]

20. fine people. tourists. bleah. this hearing, somehow, must destroy trump

and destroy the big lie politicians, somehow.

[Solly Mack]

21. "I was slipping in people's blood"

[AngryOldDem]

22. As bad as we all thought it was, it was a million times worse.

Good God.

[NewHendoLib]

26. THIS.

[Novara]

30. absolutely

[uponit7771]

45. right ?!

[BlueIdaho]

58. Exactly.

[ms liberty]

67. So much this.

[livetohike]

24. Officer Edwards: It was hours of hand to hand combat.

Horrific.

[crickets]

37. I know. She obliquely points how much they needed the National Guard,

how the Guard should have been there. Regular police are not trained in combat, but the National Guard are. The NG was deliberately kept away because the people who planned this knew there would be a battle. They knew.

[livetohike]

59. I agree. Can't wait for the committee to lay ALL of this at

Trump’s feet.

[Glorfindel]

29. Rep. Cheney sounds very midwestern, doesn't she?

I can't detect any trace of Wyoming in her accent. However, she is doing an excellent job!

[sabbat hunter]

39. She grew up

mostly in the DC area, as her dad was in Congress. Graduated from HS in Virginia. That probably affected her accent.

[Glorfindel]

52. That explains it! I hadn't thought of that.

Thanks! Somehow, I had her pictured as a cowgirl, ridin' and ropin' on the plains of Wyoming.

[happybird]

92. At first, I thought it was Hilary speaking lol

Tuned in late and was listening in the car.

She did a fantastic job.

[kacekwl]

32. They only have one chance

to make a 1st impression. I hope people return for act 2 and bring the stars of the show.

[Marthe48]

34. Unfortunately Rep. Thompson

While we think that people like Officer Edwards are the true heroes, a bunch of people think the violent insurrectionists are the heroes. What will we do with that? How do we make traitor's supporters see how unpatriotic and wrong they are?

[livetohike]

35. Video of rioters talking about why they came to D.C. on

Jan 6. “Trump called us to be there.”

[spanone]

36. These people are scary fucked up

[AngryOldDem]

38. Everything he's done for YOU?

He gives not one tin shit about you.

[Scrivener7]

48. Well, they know that now.

[AngryOldDem]

83. Yeah...now that their asses are in a sling.

That’s what blind loyalty gets you. Pledging allegiance to a coward, who ran back to the WH just in time to catch it all on the TV.

No sympathy for these dumbasses.

[Scrivener7]

86. Not an iota of it.

[livetohike]

53. The only thing Trump did was make it okay for these

low life’s to climb out of their holes. Apparently made them feel like they were “something”.

[calimary]

94. Indeed. Like WHAT?

WHAT did he do for you? Besides badmouth all the people you hate? Is THAT what he did for you? So that somehow gives your hatred credibility? Is THAT it?

[FlyingPiggy]

41. Officer Edward's testimony has moved me to tears

This is heartbreaking. But deep down, I am feeling the anger swell again. Damn these motherfuckers!!!

[Cheezoholic]

42. Anybody as surprised as I was that the first hour

was focused on showing intent from Fat Nixon? I wasn't expecting that much emphasis and future evidence to be presented

[Scrivener7]

43. Holeeee cow. That was not a disappointment. What a great job.

[Novara]

44. I'm not sure I can sleep tonight

[NewHendoLib]

46. two hours that felt like two seconds. Wow.

[uponit7771]

49. +1,

[ms liberty]

47. Impressed. They kept a pace and gave an excellent overview.

[Takket]

50. Damning............

and tonight was just the preview, the broad overview. They haven't even gotten into the fine details of all the planning and all the execution of the plan.

This was just a prologue.

[sinkingfeeling]

51. Rep. Thompson called him "T***p", without the title.

[nolabear]

54. Well that was all I'd hoped it would be.

It was planned. It was called for by the monster. It was all for him.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. And that's that

Excellent kickoff!

[brer cat]

60. They are off to a very impressive start.

I can't wait to see the rest of the hearings.

[crickets]

62. Well done. That was riveting. Hard to watch, but couldn't turn away. nt

[NewHendoLib]

63. Gloria Borger (CNN) is stunned. Called this historic. Extremely effective.

[NewHendoLib]

69. Conway thought Cheney laid it out like an expert lawyer, using his supporters' words

He thought it was absolutely damning.

[Scrivener7]

73. This is great to hear. I know I found it utterly compelling, and so did most here, it seems,

but it is how the press is going to spin it that will decide how things go.

Which is sad. But true.

I'm glad to hear the talking heads saw what I saw in that.

[Novara]

70. Think for a second. All this because he's a sore loser. People died.

Because he's a sore loser.

[AngryOldDem]

85. Yep.

That was his main motivation, I think. Others around him, though, saw — and still see — a useful idiot and took advantage. Trump is always in it for Trump. Why should this be different?

He is just a pox on humanity.

[salin]

74. That was harrowing to watch.

Very Powerful. Gut wrenchingly so.

[AngryOldDem]

76. This all started at the debate.

“Stand back and stand by.”

Trump was planning this fuckery no matter what happened. As stunning as that remark was then, it’s truly frightening now.

I just have a bad feeling that these hearings may be our last, best chance to save this republic. If that’s hyperbole, sorry.

[NewHendoLib]

79. I agree. It all comes down to this.

[uponit7771]

80. +1,

[NewHendoLib]

78. Conway thought this was a perfect set up to dig into what trump was doing for three hours.

This could be the way to finally get him with criminal charges.

They must have some compelling info to come in a future hearing.

[Cheezoholic]

81. Yup n/t

[llmart]

89. I believe Cheney mentioned the word "criminal" with regard to him in her opening statements.

Just a little nudge nudge, wink wink to Garland.

[NewHendoLib]

82. Conway - contrast between carrying out duty, and dereliction of duty - the police officer vs trump

the cnn panels are reaming out trump a new asshole. this is breathtaking to behold. where were they during trump's reign of incompetence?

[Hekate]

87. Trump is a mob boss, trained in crime by his father from his teens. Finishing school w Roy Cohn...

BFFs with Roger Stone…

Thugs. My disgust floweth over.

[crickets]

91. 👆 His hand in all of this is going to become more and more clear

as the hearings move along. The Committee is going to prove he was responsible. Whether he's ever charged is up in the air, but what he has done is going to be common knowledge world wide. He will be a pariah for the rest of his life.

[calimary]

95. Dear God I sure hope so!

[crickets]

88. Thank you, Scrivener7! Great job thread wrangling tonight.

Being able to watch along with the DU crowd made all the difference. It's helpful to see everyone's comments and ideas, and it would have been very difficult to get through this without the like minded company.

[Scrivener7]

90. Oh, thank you crickets! I was happy to do it. The hearing was a triumph, and

I am so glad to have watched with everyone.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

96. This is what a soulless, empty vessel looks like in semi-human form.

Link to tweet

[Tree Lady]

98. She kind of has that look Paris Hilton

Had before she went to prison for a short time.

[burrowowl]

97. I would love to see orange gasbag in an orange suit!