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Where's this going from here?
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Trump committed treason against the United States Government | |
8 (20%) |
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Trump goes to prison for sedition | |
2 (5%) |
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Trump gets disqualified from ever running for office again | |
14 (34%) |
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Nothing will happen to Trump | |
17 (41%) |
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H2O Man
(74,962 posts)Novara
(6,074 posts)But it sure was sedition.
the leaders of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys did.
relayerbob
(6,915 posts)You can rest assurred that Putin had a role in this, somewhere along the line, and whether *we* think we are at war with russia, or not, we can rest assured they think they are at war with us... and have been for some time.
Pelosi on Trump: With him, all roads lead to Putin
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WarGamer
(14,581 posts)I think the DEMS have already seen it.
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WarGamer
(14,581 posts)gldstwmn
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Novara
(6,074 posts)The act of plotting or conspiring constitutes sedition.
The act of treason occurs when action is taken, but direct action against the government is not the only way to commit treason. It is also treasonous to assist those who are taking action in any way, or to align with enemies of the government.
A person who is in any way involved with a group that in any way contributes to a group of people rising up to act against the government has committed insurrection.
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/what-is-sedition-comparing-it-treason-insurrection
What Is Sedition?
Sedition refers to conspiring with others to incite rebellion against lawful authority. Sedition, along with treason and insurrection, are addressed in the United States Code (115 U.SC. §§ 2381 2391). Under federal law, sedition occurs when two or more persons conspire to commit certain actions against the United States (U.S.) government. The conspiracy to commit such acts is sedition, whether or not the actions are actually attempted or carried out.
conspiring to take down, overthrow or destroy by force the U.S. government
levying war against the U.S. government
opposing the authority of the U.S. government by force
hindering, delaying or preventing any U.S. law from being carried out
taking, seizing or possessing U.S. government property via force
Sedition can take place in any U.S. state or territory, as well as any other location under the jurisdiction of the U.S. (such as a military base). The punishment for sedition can include up to twenty years in prison and/or a fine. The amount of the fine is not specified in the code.
What Is Treason?
The concept of treason can be broadly interpreted as treachery, but it has a specific definition in federal law. Treason occurs when anyone who owes allegiance to the United States of America, such as a citizen or resident, commits certain acts against the U.S. government. There is actually a treason clause in the U.S. Constitution; it is the only crime specifically referenced within the Constitution.
levying war against the U.S.
aligning with enemies of the U.S.
providing assistance or comfort to enemies of the U.S. (within the country or in any other location)
The punishment for treason varies widely. People who commit treason can be put to death, put in prison (for a minimum of five years) and/or fined (at least $10,000). Those found guilty of treason are disqualified from holding any public office in the U.S.
Treason has traditionally been applied when the US is engaged in foreign wars or when someone aligns with a foreign enemy, not domestic. There is legal precedent for this.
The orange motherfucker is definitely guilty of sedition. Those who carried out the act are also guilty of sedition and MAY be guilty of treason as well, but the way the law has been interpreted in the past, since this is not war with a foreign enemy, treason may not apply. Historically, treason has been applied narrowly and involved foreign actors. I don't know how likely it is to break that precedent.
relayerbob
(6,915 posts)I am very well aware of the definitions.
lees1975
(5,360 posts)Such as Russia?
I call that treason.
Autumn
(45,858 posts)He had something to hide, he wouldn't allow an American translator in the meeting. There was a reason for that. He used Putin's. So yeah I'm sticking with both. He committed treason and sedition.
C_U_L8R
(45,466 posts)And no one bothers to save him
Trueblue1968
(17,843 posts)kacekwl
(7,352 posts)Option 1 & 4.
ms liberty
(9,672 posts)babylonsister
(171,463 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,738 posts).
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onecaliberal
(35,248 posts)Deuxcents
(18,863 posts)mvd
(65,369 posts)I am hoping it leads to Trump being in jail where he belongs.
lees1975
(5,360 posts)The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys didn't go to the rally, they went to the Capitol to open the door. They also made the connection, very clearly in their testimony, that they were there because Trump told them to go there. Trump connected himself to their moves. That's a planned attack on the Capitol during a joint session of Congress. That meets the legal definition of treason, and that means his little inner circle, including himself, Eastman, Powell, Flynn, Giuliani, and Meadows, were conspirators to commit treason.
That's where I go.
Autumn
(45,858 posts)nothing will happen to Trump.