"Maybe He Deserves It." Trump's utter depravity in full view.

[MineralMan]

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Of all the video clips seen yesterday, those four words uttered by Donald J. Trump in reference to calls to hang VP Pence were the ones that affected me the most.

I'm far, far from a fan of Pence, but in saying those words, Trump sealed his own doom, I think.

[PJMcK]

1. Yep

That’s why I’ve hated Donald Trump since the 1970s!

He has always been a complete degenerate and disgusting human being!

[MineralMan]

5. Yes. It's sad that more people won't see that.

[GoodRaisin]

21. Unfortunately that depravity is shared by his supporters.

We’ve seen plenty of evidence of that too.

[MineralMan]

22. His supporters are a shrinking minority.

That's what I think.

[GoodRaisin]

23. Perhaps they are shrinking. We'll know for sure when the rest of the Republican

Congress members/candidates stop bowing down to him. But I think you are correct that he is slowly losing support.

For sure they are a minority, but a minority that still controls their Party.

[MineralMan]

24. We're already seeing some of his endorsed candidates

losing in elections. I expect to see more of that, as blind loyalty to Trump wanes.

His influence is shrinking with voters. It may begin shrinking with politicians running for office, as well.

We shall see.

[Demovictory9]

31. yes, it's all partisan now.

[OLDMDDEM]

2. I agree with you

Mat he rot in prison, or hell, or both.

[dalton99a]

3. Trump is a murderous mob boss

[MineralMan]

7. Indeed he is.

[Emile]

4. I still support the firing squad for traitors!

[MineralMan]

6. I oppose capital punishment. I'd rather see him

rot in a federal prison until he dies, forgotten by everyone.

[Patton French]

25. Indeed!

[ReluctanceTango]

26. I'm in the betting pool for locked-in syndrome

After a stroke.

Attended by only black, Central American or Muslim medical staff who let him sit in his own filth for hours, in front of a TV playing nothing but Rachel Maddow all day.

And nobody bothering to visit him the rest of his worthless life. Not even Princess Sparkle Bits.

That would make my black little heart do an endless happy dance.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

30. Can I buy you a drink???

[wiggs]

8. Utter depravity, narcissism, corrupt intent, small mindedness, incompetence, and

unfitness for public office were on full display.

One of thing things I might end of being disappointed by is the civility and professionalism of the Committee and the pundits' discussion, unless there's some outrage coming. This whole 6 year episode is deserving of something far outside the realm of analyzing a normal, misguided, misbehaving politician...normal political analysis and tone may not be enough to convey the seriousness and deserved disdain.

Perhaps the Cte takes this tack because they know the coming info is strong enough to stand on its own. Haven't seen that yet.

I imagine there is some outrage and emotion coming. Adam Schiff has done it brilliantly and appropriately during impeachment as have others. I can see why the Cte might want to keep emotion out of the hearing....but if not by Committee members, dems ought to line up other officials to write, get in front of cameras, tweet, and otherwise get out the message. Emotions, sound bytes, one liners make headlines...not fake headlines, but appropriate ones.

[MineralMan]

9. I figure the committee can present its findings however it chooses.

I'll just let them decide how to do that. Well beyond my pay grade, that is...

[ReluctanceTango]

28. The problem with

dems ought to line up other officials to write, get in front of cameras, tweet, and otherwise get out the message.

Is that you can scream and yell and even beg for coverage all you want, but nothing compels our lousy media to give anyone a microphone or column space or a spot on a talking head show. If anything, they have proven they especially loathe to do so for Democrats, and that’s been the case all of my adult life (18 since 1980).

[PatSeg]

10. Yes, that was absolutely chilling

The words of a potentially murderous dictator. The only things that separate Trump from tyrants like Putin or Stalin are opportunity and our institutions. Given enough time, he would have weakened those institutions enough to become a true monster. Another four years in office could have been enough time.

[MineralMan]

11. That video clip was the first time I had heard him say that.

Maybe it has been out there before, but I don't remember hearing it until now.

[PatSeg]

12. I had never heard it either

I think it is a new revelation.

[MineralMan]

13. Yes. I believe it is.

We're getting to see and hear some new things from the Committee. That's a very good thing, I believe.

[PatSeg]

14. And it is what I was hoping for

Without some new and potentially shocking information, rehashing what we already know over and over again isn't terribly effective. After awhile, people become desensitized and bored. Unfortunately, Americans have such a short attention span.

[dpibel]

20. What video clip?

You saw a video clip with Trump saying those words?

I don't recall that. Not going to rewatch to find it, but, FWIW, Slate agrees:

First, Cheney expanded on last month’s blockbuster reporting by Politico that “Trump had signaled a positive view of the prospect of hanging the vice president.” The critical new details stated by Cheney were this:

Aware of the rioters’ chants to hang Mike Pence, the president responded with this sentiment: “Maybe our supporters have the right idea.” Mike Pence “deserves it.”

[MineralMan]

27. I saw it aired live on MSNBC. I don't have a copy of it.

It was also aired on this morning's CBS National News.

Did you even watch the hearing?

[dpibel]

33. I even did!

And a perspicacious wordsmith like you could have derived that information from my statement that I wasn't going to rewatch it.

I do not believe that there was a clip. I quoted Slate in support of my belief. If there was a video clip of Trump saying these words, why would Slate report it as something Cheney said?

I mean, I guess it could be poor reporting.

If, by the way, the "it" in "I saw it aired live on MSNBC" is the hearings, you don't need a copy. It's readily available to watch on CSPAN and elsewhere.

I'm actually not claiming that you're wrong. I am saying that I did, indeed, watch the hearing in its entirety. I do not recall seeing a video clip of Trump saying these words. I could be wrong as well.

But, hey, here's this morning's CBS coverage:

Go to 3:40 and see what you see. Similar words to what you're quoting. But not a video clip.

[marble falls]

38. Whoya goin to believe? 45 or your lying eyes and ears? I heard George Soros was on the boom mike ...

... when this was recorded. I'm not saying it, but I've heard people talking.

[dpibel]

40. Agree about one thing

You're very confused.

Let's remember 1/6 in the real world:

Trump made a speech where he told his people to march to the Capitol and fight like hell.

Trump was silent for 3 hours.

Trump made his "Luv ya, go home heroes" video.

That's it for hearing from Trump on 1/6.

So when and where and how did you and millions hear those words?

[dpibel]

35. Better tell the WSJ PDQ

They missed the video clip you saw not once, but twice.

Or maybe the poster here misquoted:

The committee did offer some new and ugly details. “Aware of the rioters’ chants to ‘hang Mike Pence, ’” Rep. Liz Cheney said, “the President responded with this sentiment: Quote, maybe our supporters have the right idea. Mike Pence, quote, deserves it.” Who is the source of that quotation? The committee didn’t say.

(Emphasis added.)

So apparently the WSJ missed that clip where you "heard him say that."

Because you know the source of the quotation, right? You saw the clip!

[marble falls]

39. I say it's Eric. He was actually quoted this last week as having a tough childhood where ...

... he had to work with some working stiffs to get pocket money. I did, too, and in masonry construction - so screw his privileged life.

He's working through daddy issues and trying to stay off the cell block.

[malaise]

15. Because anyone who doesn't anoint him president for life

deserves to die.

[MineralMan]

16. Yeah, that's the way he thinks.

Something ain't right with that boy...

[malaise]

17. A narcissistic lunatic

And that’s barely touching the surface

[MineralMan]

18. You're far too kind...

[onethatcares]

19. IMO

he's chasing that daddy/mommy love that he never got. He wraps too much up in the word, "love" to even have a clue as to what it is.

i.e.; I love you==give me sex

I love you==give me money

I love you==give me legitimacy

It could go on but I think you get the drift.

I am not in anyway a psychologist/psychiatrist/therapist. Just another guy on the bus with an opinion

[ReluctanceTango]

29. No amount of parental love would have reached him

He’s a malignant narcissist. They never have the faintest idea what love is. He could have been raised by Ozzie and Harriet, and he would still be incapable of love, because the brains of people like him aren’t wired up to code.

Some people are just born awful, and we have to face that. The Anatomy of Violence by Adrian Raine lays out the research that shows how monsters like him are born that way.

[onethatcares]

32. thank you, I'll add that to my reading list

and, Welcome to DU

[lunatica]

34. I hope his last book, yet to be written, is titled

Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda

[NCLefty]

36. Ok. How did these words "seal Trump's doom?"

He's walking around, still rich and powerful, still eating his KFC and two scoops of ice cream every night.