The biggest jaw dropper for me was the documentarian...

[Ohio Joe]

I mean... I 'knew' the PB's and OK's came for an attack but... I had not seen evidence that I think would hold up in court. However, the documentarian (forget his name off the top of my head) showing with tape and testimony that they left before TFG's speech even began, went to do reconnaissance, then had a nice lunch before returning once more to attack... That was a big deal in my eyes. The real jaw dropper of the night for me.

To be able to prove that in court... Very well done

Seems to me the next step is to prove communication with TFG's inner circle... And we know they (By they, I mean DOJ here) have internet communication, emails, texts, now unlocked phones and unlocked computers. Oh... And we also know they have three seditious conspirators that have flipped.

I feel as though the last few days have been lowering expectations towards a provable connection to TFG... And that still may be... TFG works very much like a mob boss... He stays aways from his own phone, emails, texts, etc. Much of his public statements and tweets I still fear will be considered protected political speech (we shall see on that, I hope I'm wrong).

Still so very many facts to know... I still very much feel positive though.

[The Wielding Truth]

1. It was timed? They were ready for battle and had their instructions on when.

[Lars39]

2. Nick Quested is the documentary film maker

[Ohio Joe]

5. Thats it!

Thanks, I'm still having coffee and was feeling too lazy to go look it up

[Lars39]

6. I only remembered it because it was unusual

and the Brit accent, of course!

[Novara]

3. Keep in mind that this is not a trial - yet.

The committee doesn't have to "prove" anything to us, although I believe they have enough evidence that they could prove these crimes in a court of law.

Once this gets to the DOJ and it does go to court, keep in mind that people are convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time. It's great to have direct evidence but if the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, people often are convicted based on it. It would be great to convict the orange motherfucker based on overwhelming circumstantial evidence. I don't know how likely it is, but the only damn skill he has is avoiding prosecution because he's careful not to leave a direct trail of evidence. It would be wonderful to see that change, especially in something this damn important.

[Ohio Joe]

7. I mostly agree...

Everything you say is true.

Where I don't really agree is that DOJ has a history of having an extremely high conviction rate... Plus, this is going after a former president. I do not believe they would make an attempt like that based on circumstantial evidence and I do believe they are trying to go after TFG so... I think they will want facts. We'll see.

[Claustrum]

4. I personally still think it will be hard to find the real evidence of TFG's connection.

TFG has been known (even before he took office) that he never used emails because he doesn't want to be traceable. The dodgy ways of doing things had long been in his blood. The whole TFG administration laughed at any record keeping because he knew he would do some bad things in there. So he never recorded anything so you wouldn't find one specific instance of "lost record" like Nixon did.

I mean, it's 2022, who in the world doesn't use email when you are actively working?

[Ohio Joe]

8. I agree...

I think much will hinge on the DOJ's ability to flip people in TFG's inner circle. Doing that will depend on how much they believe he will get re-elected in 2024 in order to pardon them. I also think the 2022 elections will guide much of how they view that possibility. I also, also think we will take the mid-terms and be in even more control than we are in now. I think members of the inner circle will flip.

[Claustrum]

9. And as we know, a lot of his inner circle still dodged the subpoenas and came out fine.

I don't think any of them cooperated in a real way yet. We will have some evidence that kind of point to Trump "knowing" about Jan 6 but not the real piece of evidence of him "ordering" or "organizing" what happened on Jan 6. It will be enough for us or any critical thinking person to come to the conclusion that TFG was responsible but it most likely won't be enough as evidence to stand in court. Of course, it's just my prediction or impression and I sure hope I am completely wrong.

[Effete Snob]

11. It depends on what other communications...

...were passed back and forth from the White House to the Willard Hotel.

[Midnight Writer]

13. Yes, that is the key. Like a crime family, he has his lackeys take the risks (and the falls).

[Effete Snob]

10. Haven't you seen the parking lot meeting?

The Oaf Creepers and Po Boys had a meeting the night before in a parking garage. They let him tape it.





https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-probes-pre-capitol-riot-meeting-far-right-groups-2022-02-08/


WASHINGTON, Feb 8 (Reuters) - The Federal Bureau of Investigation is probing a meeting in a downtown DC garage the day before the January 6 Capitol Hill riot between the then-leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, the now-indicted leader of the Oath Keepers militia and other far-right figures, according to two witnesses interviewed by FBI agents.

Among the half dozen people gathered at a garage near the Phoenix Park Hotel was Oath Keepers head Stewart Rhodes, who was indicted this year on charges of “seditious conspiracy” in the insurrection. Proud Boys Chairman Enrique Tarrio, who was not present at the riot, was also at the garage meeting but left Washington afterward.

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They went to the rally the day before at Freedom Plaza and got their marching orders from Roger Stone, who was holed up in the Willard Hotel with the rest of the Trump tactical team:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/us/politics/jan-6-subpoena.html

At the Willard and the White House, the Jan. 6 Panel Widens Its Net

What went on at a five-star hotel near the White House the day before the riot could be a window into how a Trump-directed plot to upend the election ended in violence at the Capitol.

[Ohio Joe]

12. I did...

And that led me to 'know'... But the reconnaissance, lunch and return were all new to me and IMO were solid first hand evidence from an identifiable person. That is what we need to see to win in court.

[GoodRaisin]

14. That was the most significant to me too.

That implies the Proud Boys were involved in a pre-planned conspiracy. The question is, with who? Hope the J6 committee can take that and run with it to find evidence that the conspiracy goes deeper than just the Oath Keepers.

I already knew a lot of what they presented from the bits and pieces that have been coming in from media reports. But, I didn’t know that.

[ReluctanceTango]

15. He probably did avoid email and the like

However… And it’s a big however…

We know how paranoid and self-serving everyone around him was. The kind of paranoid and self-serving that had them recording him when they thought their butts were on the line.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they recorded him barking incriminating commands, and that a savvier minion would know how to tie him down on them, to protect themselves. It’d be as easy as responding to an “implied” command with, “Sir, so I’m clear here, what is it you’re wanting me to do? I want to get this right for you.”

[Ohio Joe]

16. I expect that is almost certainly true...

I've been in the corporate world for 30+ years and have worked for a number of morons. I learned very early to cover my ass with a variety of documentation making it clear who wanted what done.