Where the fuck is Garland?

[Voltaire2]

The J6 Committee did a fucking spectacular job last night.

But for me it just made it fucking spectacularly clear that Merrick Garland has had 18 months to do anything at all about an attempted coup by the former president and has done nothing. And spare me the oh but they’ve charged lots of the Nazi shitheads at the battle of the capital. They don’t count.

J6 cannot indict anyone. They cannot even enforce subpoenas (thanks again Merrick!)

The fate of the republic is in the hands of the General McClellan of AGs. And if you don’t get the reference look it the fuck up.

Yes I am fucking pissed off.

[OLDMDDEM]

1. Thank you

I couldn't tell you were angry.

[JohnSJ]

2. Tell us what you really think

[Qutzupalotl]

3. Indicting the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

They made two more arrests yesterday.

They are proceeding slowly, but they are proceeding.

[Voltaire2]

5. J6 made it crystal clear last night that they

have compelling evidence against Trump and his cronies.

18 months. Nobody in his gang indicted other than Bannon for contempt. 18 months.

As I said, the George McClellan of AGs

[Qutzupalotl]

25. A grand jury has been empaneled since February

but they forgot to inform Voltaire2 on DU of their progress.

You don't start at the top with a case like this — and there has never been a case like this.

The evidentiary bar for the DOJ is much higher than for Congress. The committee can simply say all signs point to Trump. Garland has to prove it, and he has to use cooperating witnesses, not simple assertions. Every step must be rock-solid or it won't survive in court.

[BlueIdaho]

4. I get that - but oddly enough

I feel a bit better about the DOJ after last nights presentation. Several times the presenters telegraphed actions leading to criminal indictments. It’s also obvious the DOJ is casting a very broad net.

[Voltaire2]

8. If only they knew who planned it.

Maybe one of the shithead nobodies they’ve charged will reveal the secret?

[milestogo]

6. The Attorney General is not required to keep us informed of his actions.

[Voltaire2]

9. Sure. 18 months. Nothing.

[milestogo]

15. Barb McQuade has talked about this on MSNBC

and said that this is a massive investigation and it takes a lot of time. Letting information leak would compromise the investigation.

[Voltaire2]

22. See McClellan.

At least Lincoln finally gave up and fired the idiot.

[48656c6c6f20]

23. Yes amendment 39 of the constitution

Clearly states, Suck It, I ain't gonna tell ya anything.

[CrackityJones75]

7. So your point is - You don't know.

Right. You have no idea what he is doing. You have a fantastical imagination that he is doing nothing. Meanwhile the J6 Committee is making the case for him to proceed. Maybe he doesn’t want the cart before the horse.

[Voltaire2]

11. Oh I do know this: 18 months. 0 indictments.

Nobody in Trumps gang indicted for J6.

[MineralMan]

10. Always a dark lining around every silver cloud, eh?

[Voltaire2]

13. Hysterical isn't it?

[MineralMan]

14. The adjective I'd use is "predictable."

[Gore1FL]

31. Some of us don't think it's roll-on-the-floor funny that the GOP attempted a coup.

Some of us don't find it funny that after a year-and-a-half that so little seems to be being done about it.

Furthermore, some of us don't find it funny that the likes of Meadows and Scavino were let off-the-hook for defying the congressional committee.

But hey, let's pull out the emojis and laugh at those of us upset about it, eh? That'll unify the party, for sure!

[MineralMan]

32. The game is still underway.

Nobody has won yet. So, let the game go on until its end. Then we'll know who wins and loses, but not before then.

[Gore1FL]

35. We know for sure about Scavino and Meadows. DOJ already said they wouldn't charge them.

But sure, go ahead an laugh about it and laugh at the DUers who find this concerning. After all, you know best; laugh, laugh, laugh away.

[MineralMan]

38. The DOJ is not done with those two.

It's not going to prosecute them for a misdemeanor offense. That is true. However, that is not the only charge available to them. Like I said, the game is still being played. It's not even halftime yet.

As for my laughing, it is at people jumping the gun before the game is over. I find that laughable, really.

[MineralMan]

39. The DOJ is not done with those two.

It's not going to prosecute them for a misdemeanor offense. That is true. However, that is not the only charge available to them. Like I said, the game is still being played. It's not even halftime yet.

As for my laughing, it is at people jumping the gun before the game is over. I find that laughable, really.

[Gore1FL]

41. It's half time, and you are taking sides yourself. Moving goalposts as well.

Just please stop trying to make DU suck for people. They didn't express their concerns to be condescended to. If you have a helpful response, present it.

Laughing at the concerns of others is a terrible thing. Do better.

[MineralMan]

42. I see.

So, you're telling me what to do and not to do here? No, thanks. I post my opinions on this website, like everyone else does.

[Gore1FL]

45. I am giving advice on how to be a decent human and poster

You have the right to take it to heart or dismiss it.

I'm sorry I confused you and I am sorry you needed the advice.

[MineralMan]

47. Offering unsolicited advice is rarely a good idea, and

almost never taken. But, you will do whatever you wish. You and I both post on DU. That is our privilege.

[Gore1FL]

48. I will do as I wish and try to make DU not suck for people.

Hopefully you will join me in this endeavor rather than adding to my work.

Later.

[Lettuce Be]

12. He is doing his job. Period.

[Novara]

16. jeebus fuck, would you rather he rushed to make arrests that fell apart later on ...

... and we're left with nothing?

Did you not see the mountain of evidence the committee has already put together? We've only seen a smidgen of it. It's only the first hearing, for fuck's sake. The DOJ is going to rely on a lot of what the committee presents.

Do you remember Garland's concern for politicization? If he rushed to prosecute everyone involved according to your timeline, it would be 100% political retribution, banana republic style. I get it - that's what you want. Political retribution. But you can make that claim; Garland can't.

The DOJ has already indicted hundreds and hundreds of insurrectionists and they're working their way up the chain. They indicted SIXTEEN people for seditious conspiracy and they're getting closer and closer to the top of the crime heap. FOUR of those have already pleaded guilty AND ARE COOPERATING to give them people higher up in the chain of command. This TAKES TIME.

This is how you do it. You indict people and get their cooperation in order to indict those higher up. You don't go rushing in arresting everybody without the kind of evidence you can get from cooperating witnesses, and have your case fall apart because you didn't take the time to gather evidence. Hell, even Watergate took two years.

It's gonna happen. Too bad you can't see it because you're blinded and impatient.

[Voltaire2]

17. That was McClellan's defense too.

Meanwhile the insurrectionists have been busy planning Coup 2.0 and bombarding all media with baffle bombs to neuter public opinion.

Right out in the open.

[Novara]

20. I'm sorry you don't have any patience

Because shit is gonna happen. I hope you're not too wrapped up in your self-righteous anger to appreciate it when it does.

[Treefrog]

18. K and r.

+1000

[Fiendish Thingy]

19. (sigh) the absence of public information is not evidence of inaction or dereliction of duty by DOJ

You clearly haven’t been paying attention (or only looking for indictments, mug shots and perp walks).

The bulk of the physical evidence has only been available to the committee, and to DOJ, since the the SCOTUS ruling on Trump’s privilege claims in January . This includes all of Eastman’s incriminating documents.

DOJ empaneled a Grand Jury(ies) in February , and has been calling witnesses from Trump’s inner circle, the fraudulent electors scheme and the VIP section of the January 6 Stop The Steal rally. No, we don’t know the names of who has been subpoenaed.

Crimes like Seditious Conspiracy and Obstruction of an Official Proceeding are extremely complex and difficult to prosecute. Garland could rush out indictments to satisfy your uninformed impatience, but then would likely lose the cases. They just charged the Proud Boys leaders with Seditious conspiracy yesterday , likely because of cooperation deals with Oathkeepers and other PB’s.

Yes, I too am pissed, and the survival of American democracy is at stake, but I don’t want to see a bunch of rushed indictments result in a bunch of acquittals or dismissals. Yes, I said rushed- it hasn’t been “18 months” that the investigators have had access to crucial evidence. Also worth noting is that prosecutions of complex crimes take time - John Mitchell didn’t go to prison for nearly three years after Watergate, and he was convicted of the comparatively simple crimes of perjury and simple obstruction.

[Novara]

21. Good point

The motherfuckers have been stalling and resisting for so long that it really is only recently that the committee - and the DOJ - have had some important incriminating evidence.

Solid, winnable cases take a hell of a lot of work and time to put together. And in these cases, the investigating entities have been faced with unprecedented obstruction.

[Pyryck]

24. I have to assume that the AG is taking Constitutionally mandated legal steps

We American citizens have to be supportive of, and follow the Constitution and rule of law.

For those of us that took an oath to defend the Constitution it means we also have to obey the Constitution.

Or the Constitution means nothing...and we become "them".

[brooklynite]

26. Rant noted.

[Bev54]

27. This article at Empty Wheel helps to understand realistically how the DOJ

and the committee are working together. The committee can get a lot more information from media sources that will take the DOJ much longer and harder to get under the first amendment. I do not understand this animosity towards Garland when it has become so very obvious he is doing his investigation. Maybe instead of being pissed off, a little reading from the legal community will help to understand what is going on.

snip

"Multiple reports on the January 6 Committee have indicated that they’re packaging their public hearings up with an eye towards making admissible evidence available to DOJ and other law enforcement investigations. Along with speech and debate and executive privileged testimony, the January 6 Committee has greater ability than DOJ to obtain the testimony of journalists than (under Merrick Garland’s media guidelines) prosecutors at DOJ can.

That’s why the prominent inclusion of Quested is of particular interest. As of last Thursday, there was just one reference to Quested in the Proud Boy Leaders discovery index (though his work is included in open source videos). But whatever testimony he provides tonight will become accessible to prosecutors, who have just one more week before deadlines on discovery start kicking in.

There’s one more detail that I expect the Committee to include that has gotten too little focus: the other bodies.

Because QAnon mobilized bodies in less direct ways than the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers, that effort is in some ways more accessible to Congress than to DOJ (because Congress doesn’t need to show probable cause to obtain evidence). And thus far, at least, the Committee’s efforts at understanding the role of the 1st Amendment Praetorian — militia associated more closely with Mike Flynn — have been more public than those of DOJ."

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/09/prep-for-the-january-6-committee-hearings-focus-on-18-usc-372/

[fightforfreedom]

28. Yawn.

[H2O Man]

29. Recommended.

I was glad to hear a report this morning that the Attorney General watched last night's hearing, and plans to watch the rest of them.

This morning, I e-mailed the DOJ to request indictments & prosecutions of those who planned the insurrection, including the republicans who asked Trump for pardons, and all of those in and around the White House. (See links to DOJ in my OP below.)



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216780143

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. ...

0. Where the fuck is Garland?

Ummm, doing his job.

Just because you haven't been kept in the know doesn't mean the DoJ isn't doing their job.

[LonePirate]

33. I share your righteous anger. It feels like he has awol while fishing for minnows.

[LexVegas]

34. Sshhhh.....cannot voice concern about this. Just wait a few more years. nt

[Sympthsical]

36. In my attic with the rest of the Christmas decorations

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2022, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Because you Christmas in July people are insane.

[BlackSkimmer]

49. Now, now. We've been admonished not to speak our mind here.

Or if we do, we should loudly announce..."My opinion!"

[LuckyCharms]

37. Doing his job dilligently.

1) Building cases with bulletproof evidence that will result in convictions.

2) Expect announcements from DOJ after J6 committee presentations. The case for the DOJ to indict the big fish will be laid out in a way that will be easy for the public in general to understand, therefore minimizing unrest when indictments are announced.

[Patton French]

40. In his office

Continuing to do his job. I assume.

[Voltaire2]

44. Like this?

[Patton French]

46. Good one!

That’s what she said…

[BlackSkimmer]

50. Aha. Bang on!

[uponit7771]

43. K&R, I use the "if 99% of J6rs were Native Americans" standard and come to similar conclusions.

[rownesheck]

51. I'm starting to like

seeing posts like this. It provides me lots of reading material.

Full disclosure, I tend to lean on the doom and gloom side of things, but I appreciate the opinions of those with more optimistic views of what may occur.