Lingering question: did TFG provide himself a "pocket pardon"?? That bounced around in 2021...

[allegorical oracle]

https://www.mediaite.com/news/can-trump-really-issue-secret-pardons-for-himself-and-his-family/

[jimfields33]

1. I'm sure he did. His lawyer probably has it.

Not sure if archives get copies. I heard he can write one on anything. Of course that could be rumor.

[allegorical oracle]

3. At the time, Harvard prof Laurence Tribe asserted there was a Constitutional "cloud" over the

possibility. Still, TFG is a seasoned, alleged criminal who slips out of many legal battles. Just seems he would buy into such a possible "insurance" hack.

[Claustrum]

6. It doesn't matter if it's legal or proper for him.

He will do whatever he thinks benefit or protect him. He will just prolong and try to settle it in court. At the very least, it will buy him some time before the court decides it.

[TigressDem]

2. I think they are EXPIRED nt

[allegorical oracle]

4. Haven't found any evidence they expire -- one would hope so. nt

[TigressDem]

12. tRump granted 237 acts of "clemency" including 143 pardons & 94 commutations

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions


Can the President pardon someone before they are indicted, convicted, or sentenced for a federal offense against the United States?

It would be highly unusual, but there have been a few cases where people who had not been charged with a crime were pardoned, including President Gerald Ford's pardon of President Richard Nixon after Watergate, President Jimmy Carter's pardon of Vietnam draft dodgers and President George H.W. Bush's pardon of Caspar Weinberger. President Donald J. Trump pardoned Joseph Arpaio and others after they were charged and convicted, but prior to sentencing.



ONCE AGAIN, the list of Pardons granted by tRump

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

NOTE - HE ACTUALLY PARDONED someone whose OFFENSE was a VIOLATION of the White Slave Traffic Act
John Arthur Johnson, aka Jack Johnson Northern District of Illinois

ARSONISTS OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY
Dwight Lincoln Hammond
Steven Dwight Hammond


THIS GUY - Just Rethuglican shennagins

Michael Robert Milken Southern District of New York
24 months' imprisonment (as amended); three years' supervised release; 5,400 hours of community service; $200 million fine (August 5, 1992)
Conspiracy; securities fraud; mail fraud; tax fraud; filing false reports with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC); assisting a brokerage firm in violating its net capital requirements

THIS WOMAN:

Alice Marie Johnson Western District of Tennessee
Life imprisonment; five years' supervised release (March 21, 1997)
Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine; attempted possession of 12 kilos of cocaine with intent to distribute; attempted possession of 9 kilos of cocaine; attempted possession of 75 kilos of cocaine; attempted possession of 10 kilos of cocaine; conspiracy to commit money laundering; money laundering ($1.5 million); structuring monetary transactions


{ disclaimer: this is only a partial list. Full list at link above }

OTHER OFFENSES

Murder (Several)

Racketeering

Mail Fraud (several)

Obstruction of justice

Stealing Firearms

Illegal Gambling

Cocaine Dealers

Anti Trust

Auto Theft

Lying to FBI (Quite a few liars across many Federal agencies)

Health Care Fraud

Moonshiner

Tax Evasion / Misreporting taxes


Paul J. Manafort

1. Eastern District of Virginia

2. District of Columbia


1. 47 months' imprisonment; three years' supervised release; $50,000 fine; $25,497,487.60 restitution (as amended by court order on March 21, 2019) (March 7, 2019)

2. 73 months' imprisonment; 36 months' supervised release (concurrent); $6,164,032 restitution (March 13, 2019)


1. Subscribing to false United States individual income tax returns for 2010-2014 tax years (five counts); failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts for calendar years 2011-2014; bank fraud/Lender B/$3.4 million loan; bank fraud/Lender C/$1 million loan

2. Conspiracy against the United States; conspiracy to obstruct justice (witness tampering)

[TigressDem]

14. I think he's over his limit and they are expired - one would hope. NT

[MineralMan]

5. I don't believe any pardon that does not take effect during his term

is valid after his term.

[TigressDem]

22. +1 nt

[kentuck]

7. Do you think it would stand up in court?

Pardon yourself from a possible crime?

[agingdem]

8. in trump's rat infested mind

he did nothing wrong..all above board..it's the Nixon approach...if the president does it then it's legal..no pardon necessary

[TigressDem]

17. He's a civillian now.

AND in HIS rat infested mind, he can remain pure and untouched. Like the people who retreated into themselves during the Holocaust.




BUT when they put him in that Orange jumpsuit, it won't be his mind that gets touched. Although I hear he's already been thinking ahead for the possibility.


https://extranewsfeed.com/giuliani-sends-mueller-list-of-23-donald-trump-approved-cellmates-77a85bf89b5e

[agingdem]

19. the perfect phone call

the perfect insurrection...

[TigressDem]

20. He CAN add it to his list... but Mike Pence lived; so is he fooling himself even there? nt

[allegorical oracle]

10. It could. The Brennan Center explains on 1-9-21...

"But the pardon power also comes with the risk of abuse. Never has this been more appar­ent than under Pres­id­ent Trump, who has used it to grant clem­ency to people convicted of crimes relat­ing to his pres­id­en­tial campaign. And now, Trump is reportedly consid­er­ing trying to pardon himself for a vari­ety of crimes, which would be unpre­ced­en­ted.

Why is Trump consid­er­ing pardon­ing himself?
The most recent reason is his role in incit­ing the deadly insur­rec­tion at the Capitol Wednes­day, when he told a crowd of support­ers in front of the White House that the elec­tion was stolen and instruc­ted them to “walk down to the Capitol” where Congress was count­ing the Elect­oral College votes. The Justice Depart­ment said that it was not ruling out char­ging Trump for incit­ing a riot, with the U.S. attor­ney in Wash­ing­ton saying, “All options are on the table. … We will look at every actor and all crim­inal charges.”

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/presidential-pardon-power=explained

[TigressDem]

21. If he pre-pardoned others... MAYBE If he was still in office... MAYBE

BUT he doesn't have any pardon power NOW.

AND it seems NO PARDON power for himself without his DOJ lap dog for AG.

[TigressDem]

15. It's a frequently asked question on the DOJ website

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions

Can the President pardon himself?

That is a question best answered by the Department's Office of Legal Counsel.

You may contact them directly at www.justice.gov/olc/contact-olc.


AHHH but if you dig deeper


Can a President pardon himself?

Based on the Department's Office of Legal Counsel opinion dated dated August 5, 1974, under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself.

If under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment the President declared that he was temporarily unable to perform the duties of the office, the Vice President would become Acting President and as such could pardon the President.

Thereafter the President could either resign or resume the duties of his office. Although as a general matter Congress cannot enact amnesty or pardoning legislation, because to do so would interfere with the pardoning power vested expressly in the President by the Constitution, it could be argued that a congressional pardon granted to the President would not interfere with the President’s pardoning power because that power does not extend to the President himself.

See OLC Opinion at op-olc-supp-v001-p0370_0.pdf (justice.gov)

[TigressDem]

16. NO He CAN'T!! PARTY!!!

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[Angleae]

9. He'll need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were signed prior to leaving office.

If he can't, they're irrelevant.

[allegorical oracle]

11. For a lifelong grifter (3,000+ lawsuits) that's a cakewalk.

[FSogol]

13. There is no way the DOJ wouldn't know about it. n/t

[TigressDem]

18. K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R by the way

[Lettuce Be]

23. No one can pardon themselves. This is not a thing. You cannot be your own judge either

and you cannot notarize your own signature.

[brooklynite]

24. No...

This was a silly “of course he would” speculation.

[former9thward]

25. No.

It is beyond absurd. Another CT without a particle of evidence. The DOJ knows about all pardons. So do dozens of other people. They are not secret.

[Bucky]

26. This isn't the court of Louis the XIVth. There's no secret pardons.