My Biggest Fear Is That TFG Cops A Plea And The Outcome Of This Investigation Is That....

[global1]

TFG strikes a deal with the DOJ - not to ever run again for president.

If this happens - it is not satisfactory. TFG will again have dodged a bullet. I don't think he really intended to run anyway - so it was no great punishment for him to say that he'll never run again.

He'll still be around in the background to do rallies and rile his cult and bottom line he'll still feel he is in control of the Repug Party.

No - nothing short of making this guy account for his treason and sedition and putting him in jail and taking away his cushy life will be enough punishment or accountability for his crimes.

He must be totally taken down. No deals. No copping a plea.

[MontanaMama]

1. He won't do a day in the clink

even though he's guilty as sin. I would love to be wrong about that. I agree that any deal made with him is not acceptable. This is infuriating.

[RockRaven]

2. The DOJ has no legal authority to make such a deal. Elections are run by the states, the DOJ

cannot bind Donald Trump in a plea agreement in such a way even if they wanted to.

And as to an informal deal... Jesus Christ, have you met TFG? You cannot trust him to hold to any mere promise no matter what his consequences are for backtracking.

[Ohio Joe]

5. Actually... They could...

If they got him to plea to some Seditious Conspiracy/insurrection charge, he would be prevented by the 14th amendment. He might try to fight it in court but that would take time well beyond 2024 and he will almost certainly be dead (suicide by fast food) by 2028.

[RockRaven]

7. I have a much more cynical view of the courts, and the current Roberts Court, than you do.

I would expect this SCOTUS to decide that the 14 Am doesn't apply to TFG no matter what he's convicted of or pleads to. On what grounds, one might ask? Fuck whoever is asking, because we said so, that's what grounds, they would say in so many words.

[brooklynite]

8. You mean the way they upheld his Election lawsuits?

The Court is conservative; they're not Trump suck-ups.

[RockRaven]

12. Well those lawsuits gave them virtually nothing to work with. I agree they are not Trump loyalists,

but they are absolutist in their partisanship. They won't allow Trump to be sidelined by the 14th because of the potential disqualification of any of the hundreds of Repuke pols across the country who would deserve likewise. I would expect them to employ a specious "originalist" mind-reading-of-dead-people-while-ignoring-what-they-actually-said/wrote argument that the 14th was crafted in the aftermath of the Civil War to deal with Confederates, and therefore doesn't apply to TFG and other MAGAts.

[Ohio Joe]

9. It still has to get there...

Lets look at the time it would take... First, they have to be able to nail TFG to the wall. Like it or not, DOJ is handling the case as a mob case, from the bottom up. At best, they will flip a few in his inner circle starting later this year... That means no chance of an indictment of TFG this year, it would end up being sometime next. Lets say it's early... Feb/March timeframe... TFG is not going to deal right away, he'll try to fight it first... Again, at best, he makes a deal around July/Aug. Assuming he were to try and announce a run and break the deal the next day, he would immediately be back in court not only trying to get the ability to run but also fighting the reinstatement of charges for breaking the deal. No way all of this is resolved in time to run as he does not go directly to the Supreme Court... It would take a year to get there. Simply not enough time.

[RockRaven]

14. Because of the potential for irreparable harm (election deadlines), the case would be fast tracked.

All those BS "election fraud" cases were basically over and done with in 2-3 months, because of the electoral count and inauguration deadlines. The same sort of thing would likely happen as ballot-printing deadlines approached.

Although given TFG's tendency towards delaying, delaying, delaying, as long as he had temporary orders getting him on the ballots the timing of the final disposition of the case need not be of concern to him.

[Ohio Joe]

15. And all those cases were rejected by the SC...

And none of them were fast tracked. The SC has no interest in getting involved in election cases, they made that clear. But even those cases took months to get to the SC in order to be rejected. There simply is not enough time even in the best case scenario.

[Jerry2144]

3. As this looks worser and worser for him

I suspect his years of eating wholesome, nutritious food and conducting a vigorous exercise regimen to keep in shape and maintain his manly physique will enable him to enjoy the reruns of the trials for another 30 years+.

Wait,
You mean he eats shit "food", doesn't exercise, is in shape (if you consider oblate spheroid a shape), and has had a stroke he vehemently denied having? Maybe this stress will cause his descending colon to ascend to his carotid and close off the blood flow to the fat cells behind his eyes.

[Raven123]

4. Nope. That won't fly with the DOJ. He may plea, but a deal not to run is not punishment.

[Ohio Joe]

6. The mob boss does not get a plea deal...

I suspect your fear will not come to pass.

But... Lets assume it does come to pass, what happens? Well... He would not be able to run for President again (14th amendment) and it would be the ultimate betrayal to his minions. They would abandon and revile him for the rest of his days... He would never again stand before them getting the adulation he craves so much.

While I don't see it happening, it would perhaps be a punishment that would hurt him most.

[global1]

13. I Guess I Don't Have The Same Read On This As You.....

I don't think he is planning run again anyway in 2024 because I don't think he wants to risk another big loss. This time it may be even bigger than 2020.

I see it as the best of both worlds for him. He avoids jail. He's able to live out his cushy life and continue grifting.

He still is out on the rally trail - spreading lies and cultivating his cult.

He forces himself on the Repug Party and is able to maintain his control of them.

And all he had to give up was running ever again for the presidency. That I don't think he wanted to do anyway. Win-win for TFG.

Secretly - I believe that the Repugs are hoping this J6 Committee Investigation and the DOJ take TFG down. They would be rid of him without them doing the taking down and they can blame it on the politics of the situation.

I would have liked to have watched last nights proceedings with Moscow Mitch. I would have loved to see his reactions to the presentation. I think he was rooting for TFG's demise.

But I also see the 'teflon don' come out of all of this still on top with his uncanny way of taking credit for a win. Any kind of win - that he can shape and manipulate with his words - to keep him the focus of attention in the Repug Party for years to come.

[Zeitghost]

10. Won't happen

I think Trump would almost welcome a trial. He just needs one supporter to deadlock the jury and he can then point to the "politically charged failed prosecution" as proof he is right.

[Cartoonist]

16. I can accept a plea deal

The government seizes all his properties and businesses.
He must leave the country, never to return.
We'll mail him a monthly Social Security check.