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Justice matters.

(6,874 posts)
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:15 PM Jun 2022

pence (poll)

Is pence guilty of concealing dump and his co-conspirators's criminal plot to "overturn the Election" (dump's own quote from a 'statement' he issued after pence's speech at cpaq)?


31 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes he is, because he had to report the criminal conspiracy to the FBI on December 15, 2020, after he was asked to participate in it.
30 (97%)
No. To not inform the FBI of that criminal conspiracy on December 15, 2020, after EC votes were in, is not a crime.
1 (3%)
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pence (poll) (Original Post) Justice matters. Jun 2022 OP
OP, how did you vote? Bobstandard Jun 2022 #1
Yes. Justice matters. Jun 2022 #11
Click on "show usernames" Croney Jun 2022 #12
I am unsure. TigressDem Jun 2022 #2
I am with you.. secondwind Jun 2022 #5
He could have asked his alert to remain anonymous while stating his refusal to... Justice matters. Jun 2022 #16
But who could he trust? The DOJ was in on it. TigressDem Jun 2022 #18
https://www.fbi.gov/tips Justice matters. Jun 2022 #22
No. I thought the January 6 committee found that Pence was out of the January 6th insurrection loop JohnSJ Jun 2022 #3
He refused the final act, but he may have been privy to the information. TigressDem Jun 2022 #19
The TFG WH put out releases in Dec, 2020 of the plan to replace Biden electors with TFG electors Kaleva Jun 2022 #4
All the seditionist clowns involved in fake elector scheme... brush Jun 2022 #6
"How? trump lost by nealy 8 million votes.' Pantagruel Jun 2022 #8
That was then, and nearly 8 million more votes with all media and eyes on the count... brush Jun 2022 #13
No reason to single out Pence Pantagruel Jun 2022 #7
True. nt Justice matters. Jun 2022 #14
Do we know Pence did conceal what he knew and didn't call FBI? WheelWalker Jun 2022 #9
Not yet, but he should be called to testify in 'the' GJ... Justice matters. Jun 2022 #15
No, but we're voting on it anyway. milestogo Jun 2022 #17
What could the FBI do? TigressDem Jun 2022 #20
Lurk channels off time like they do with Muslims. I still have the "if these people were Muslim" ... uponit7771 Jun 2022 #23
FBI HAD the info. It had a task force working on it, but they still didn't get National Guard. TigressDem Jun 2022 #26
I don't know. Whatever the FBI does? WheelWalker Jun 2022 #24
We also don't know that Pence isn't cooperating with Garland right now. WheelWalker Jun 2022 #25
I think... Mike Nelson Jun 2022 #10
When you think about it, making sure the election got certified made it Biden's problem. TigressDem Jun 2022 #21

Justice matters.

(6,874 posts)
11. Yes.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jun 2022

I think he had to inform the FBI of the criminal plot designed to "overturn the Election" he was asked to participate in, the day after the GD EC votes were officially entered in the National Archives. I think it was his duty for him to honor his Oath of Office.

By failing to do so (to protect and defend the Constitution...), by just refusing to go along, he not only put his own life in jeopardy, he ultimately put the lives of CPOs, MPOs, and Congress people in danger.

If his inaction is not a crime, I think his hands are soaking innocent victims blood.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
2. I am unsure.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:20 PM
Jun 2022

tRump was replacing people who did not bow to him and Pence may have been committed to letting the country decide so he stuck it out so he could certify the electoral votes as he wound up doing.

If Pence tried to stop this conspiracy with so many moving parts, he might have failed.

While he did not report it, he DID stop the steal.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
18. But who could he trust? The DOJ was in on it.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:12 PM
Jun 2022

WHO could he report to in such a completely crooked administration?

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
19. He refused the final act, but he may have been privy to the information.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jun 2022

Liz Cheney said, "He was a very loyal VP up to the point of going against the Constitutional Oath he took"

What people are asking I think is shouldn't he have blown the whistle on the whole thing?


IF he could have gotten enough people to do Article 25, I think he would have.

But the DOJ was in on it. FBI has no control to stop the President. CIA has no control.

WHO could he have gotten to stop the madness? I can't think of anyone.

So he did the little Dutch Boy putting his finger in the Dam bit.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
4. The TFG WH put out releases in Dec, 2020 of the plan to replace Biden electors with TFG electors
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:24 PM
Jun 2022

"
"ELECTION 2020|Dec 14, 2020,11:31am EST|60,045 views
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election

Alison Durkee

Updated Dec 14, 2020, 03:22pm EST
TOPLINE In an unprecedented move, groups of self-styled “electors” arranged by the Trump campaign in battleground states won by President-elect Joe Biden will meet Monday to vote for President Trump and send results claiming he won the states’ presidential elections to Congress, White House advisor Stephen Miller said Monday, the latest of the president’s far-fetched attempts to challenge Biden’s victory—which, like his previous efforts, is almost entirely certain to fail."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/14/trump-campaign-assembling-alternate-electors-in-key-states-in-far-fetched-attempt-to-overturn-election/?sh=7f53e213213a

It was also talked about in a number of threads here at DU:

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:45 PM
Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump"

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14710747

"Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:53 PM
Real Biden Elector Moves to Intervene Against Fake Trump Electors Who Sued VP Pence:"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214786069

"Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:47 PM
AZ Sec of State Hobbs asks AG to investigate fake electors for using state seal"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214758728

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 07:20 PM
Over in Freeperville, they're all wet over "Alternate GOP Electors" giving Trump the win."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214712142

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:40 PM
In the spirit of fake electors,"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214711050

"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:30 PM

Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's votes"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214710987"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142856219#post68

brush

(53,471 posts)
6. All the seditionist clowns involved in fake elector scheme...
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jun 2022

should be indicted not just for the obvious fraud, but for the stupidity of signing their name to such high-visibility fake documents that are now part of history.

So full of stupid hubris it's ridiculous. They thought they'd get away with it.

How? trump lost by nealy 8 million votes. Their little crooked scheme was never going to make up that difference.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
8. "How? trump lost by nealy 8 million votes.'
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:40 PM
Jun 2022

Trump lost by almost 3 million votes to HRC-still was anointed POTUS.

brush

(53,471 posts)
13. That was then, and nearly 8 million more votes with all media and eyes on the count...
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2022, 06:35 PM - Edit history (1)

because of trump's own warning it would be stolen if he lost is how.

60 futile, Giuliani court loses contesting the election outcome is also how.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
7. No reason to single out Pence
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:39 PM
Jun 2022

virtually every cabinet member and adviser to Trump has the same duty, IMHO.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
23. Lurk channels off time like they do with Muslims. I still have the "if these people were Muslim" ...
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:26 PM
Jun 2022

... standard for the alphabet crews for proper reaction to the threat and its hard to give FBI/DHS etc quarter with that standard.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
26. FBI HAD the info. It had a task force working on it, but they still didn't get National Guard.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

I don't know if the FBI was held back or if it isn't their call, but they were aware of the things being said and even had informants in with the rioters, but it seems they lacked either the will to follow through or were being held back some how.

They were more focused on protecting the incoming President during inauguration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/january-6-committee-examines-internal-fbidhs-documents-seeking-answers-rcna11076

WheelWalker

(8,943 posts)
24. I don't know. Whatever the FBI does?
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:27 PM
Jun 2022

Open a file? Initiate an investigation? Get authority to wiretap? I guess I just object to a poll that assumes facts not in evidence. Therefore I choose not to participate in the poll.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
10. I think...
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 05:43 PM
Jun 2022

... he's probably not guilty of that, specifically. Of course, he may be guilty of several other things... by defying Crooked Donald's last wish in office, he'd never be convicted.

All along, he had the most to gain by exposing Donald completely - he might even - if impeachment or removal had worked - have become President (his own term) instead of Biden.

TigressDem

(5,121 posts)
21. When you think about it, making sure the election got certified made it Biden's problem.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jun 2022

So Pence was willing to face a possible execution, but didn't have the ability to clean up the DOJ and such with tRump around.

I don't think he had enough support for article 25. If he did, he would probably removed tRump for seditious conspiracy.

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