I think that most of us concluded that the committee, has done a superb job

[question everything]

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Cheney, like good prosecutor (is she?) led us point by point, what is the purpose and how she is going to prove them.

But now some, back sitters are coming out complaining: why not investigating this person? Why not? She is a Republican, that's why.

Go ahead, join the Republicans, show that you do not trust Cheney and the committee. It is all partisan.

Shame on the ones who are doing it.



Edited to clarify that Cheney is not the chair but it was her who detailed the facts and the plan of future presentations.

[niyad]

1. Thought she and Bennie Thompson are co-chairs?

[Bev54]

4. Bernie Thompson is the Chair and Liz is the Vice Chair

so it is being led by Thompson

[question everything]

11. Correct, and I edited my op

[Bucky]

6. He's chair. He's the boss. He's calling the shots. She's co-chair, which is mostly an honorary title

She's passionate about rescuing her party from fascist leadership and she's passionate about defending democracy.

I won't say conclusively on her part that this isn't payback for Trump (correctly) denouncing her daddy's pet war in Iraq.

[Deuxcents]

9. I believe they're both introduced as co chairs and they have done well, imo.

I’m thinking they came into this with the same mission. They are all on the same page but one is an R n the other a D. I think that issue was put to rest right off the bat. By them. But still the comments that look petty. I’m very much looking forward to these hearings that they all support.

[question everything]

10. You are correct and I edited it. Thanks for pointing this

[Sympthsical]

2. Temporary allies for a directed purpose is one thing

But I've seen - much more than once - suggestions that the Democratic party should welcome her. Hey, the Lincoln Project is popular. Why not?

Because they're still neocons.

Trump messed up their plans. They hate him. Ok. But that doesn't make them suddenly awesome.

There is this impulse that I'll never understand. It's like the compulsive reaction of a kid in high school with low self-esteem. When the asshole who's participated in making their life miserable is inexplicably nice one day. Suddenly all is forgotten. "They smiled at me! I bet we can be best friends. Smile at me again! Please please please, oh I like you!"

FFS.

Ok, they smiled today. And they're more likely throw you into the locker tomorrow. Just be happy today was decent without making plans in your head about how they should be your college roommate.

And that's just that impulse. We also have people who would be totally fine with tilting our party to the right. They're easily picked out. They attack the Left all day.

Some self-esteem, spine, and confidence in identity should not be too much to ask in adults.

[question everything]

12. Agree, temporary allies. Remember, a committee originally was going to have

more Republicans but they were going to send in the clowns.

She continues to emphasize that she is a Republican, more than the one who replaced her and I don't think she can fit in our party.

There is nothing wrong with combining forces for a limited goal without the need to changing either partner.

[Sympthsical]

14. "There is nothing wrong with combining forces for a limited goal"

Exactly. As long as we keep in mind that is exactly what this is without drowning the person in laurels, it's just fine.

[Ohio Joe]

22. +1 - nt

[oioioi]

3. Question everything...

Except the backroom dealings of the opposition, presumably.

The wife of a SC justice is up to her eyeballs in treasonous plot, but gets a pass because her friend - Dick Cheney's daughter - is on the committee.

The mind boggles. This tiny whiff of accountability is a heady scent indeed, apparently.

[question everything]

13. The goal, so far, is to prove Trump involvement in the insurrection.

Ginny Thomas involvement has nothing to do with this. She has never held an official position with the campaign or the administration, or being a close member like Flynn or Giuliani.

I cannot see her offering a testimony about the events being investigated here. You should be able to see this. Just the facts.

[oioioi]

17. from the J6 committee website

https://january6th.house.gov/about

SEC. 3. PURPOSES.

(1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the “domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol”) and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.
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>>She has never held an official position
Her husband is a sitting SC Justice. You don't think there's the tiniest hint of impropriety about that?

>>The goal, so far, is to prove Trump involvement
No. No it is not. Read the charter. Besides that, a Thomas resignation would arguably be a bigger political prize than charging Jabba. You should be able to see this.

[onecaliberal]

5. She doesn't want to investigate ginni Thomas so no.

[question everything]

15. What is there to investigate? Was she part of Trump inner circle calling to march

on the Capitol? Does he even know her?

The line of investigation - as detailed by Cheney and admired by most of us - is to prove that Trump was behind staying in office. It was him calling governors and secretaries of states to change electors. He was the one telling Pence to not count the votes. It was Trump calling on his supporters to march to the capitol and it was him refusing to send the National Guards.

Yes, she "urged" Meadows to do something but why should Meadows listen to her? She was not his boss.

[oioioi]

19. why should Meadows listen to her?

Um, is that you Dick?

Ginni is not the coffee girl. Her husband has a lifetime senate-approved appointment as a SC justice.

If, as you say, she "urged" the overthrow of the republic, wouldn't you also agree that qualifies as an "influencing factor"?

[onecaliberal]

20. She committed fraud in Arizona. I've seen prosecutors talk about it. It was a crime.

[Baked Potato]

7. I think she is a useful tool to provide legitimacy

and at the same time she is trying to preserve a modicum of honor in GOP for their later use.

[oioioi]

18. she is trying to preserve a modicum of honor in GOP for *her* later use.

fixed it for you

[Baked Potato]

23. That'll work too!

[jcgoldie]

8. The committee is not led by Cheney

[question everything]

16. Correct. And I edited my OP

[Chainfire]

21. My test for how good a job that they have done will be what actions result from the work.

I thought that the presentation that we saw was very powerful and I look forward to the next one. If nothing comes from the hearings, then they will have been nothing more than entertainment. One thing that I believe, is that the hearings will make no impression, at all, upon the far right; which has become the cornerstone of Republican politics.

In effect, I believe that the hearings are preaching to the choir. 81 million people voted for Biden. It is estimated that 20 million people watched the hearing; so it is not going out on much of a limb to suggest that conservatives, for the most part, didn't view the hearing and will get only the sweetened condensed version of the hearing from the far right press.

Impeachment 1 resulted in no meaningful actions, Impeachment 2 resulted in no meaningful actions, it is, as of today, unclear if these hearings will do any better. For me, meaningful actions would be indictments of the big players and more wins in November.

What is more important than the hearings is what the DOJ does. If the insurrection goes unpunished then our Democratic Republic will have been effectively dissolved and chaos and lawlessness of a Trumpian society will rule for the foreseeable future.

If I were a praying man, I would be praying for meaningful actions coming from the hearings.

[BannonsLiver]

24. Tremendous work by all involved.