Trump's forces are preparing for the next storming of the Capitol. This time, they plan to win

[babylonsister]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/10/donald-trump-storming-capitol-democracy-6-january

Opinion
US Capitol attack
Trump’s forces are preparing for the next storming of the Capitol. This time, they plan to win
Jonathan Freedland
The danger to US democracy didn’t end on 6 January – his followers are now ripping up the safeguards that foiled them

snip//

But here’s why these current hearings should be regarded less as a past judgment than a future warning. On 6 January, the determination of the pro-Trump forces to subvert a democratic election was not in doubt. They failed only because enough restraints were in place to thwart them, whether it was state-level election officials determined to count the votes, and count them fairly, or a court system that threw out wholly groundless claims of electoral fraud. But 2024 will not be the same as 2020. Because Republicans have been busy.

Methodically and across the US, Republicans have been working to dismantle the guardrails that keep American democracy on track. In 2021 alone, at least 19 Republican-ruled states passed measures whose official purpose was tackling (nonexistent) voter fraud but whose practical effect will be voter suppression, making it harder for low-income and minority Americans in particular to cast a ballot – and those efforts are continuing.

More alarmingly, several Republican state legislatures have sought to put themselves or their allies in charge of what used to be non-partisan election machinery, installing Republicans – including “stop the steal” Trump loyalists – in the offices where votes get counted and certified. Worse, there are moves to make state legislatures the sole authority over elections, cutting out the courts altogether: so the Republicans who dominate, say, the Wisconsin legislature could decide that they and they alone will allocate the state’s electoral votes, regardless of who Wisconsin’s citizens actually voted for. Rerun 2020 in this new, altered environment and states that held firm in 2020, giving Biden the victory he had legitimately won, could hand power in 2024 to the loser.

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Nearly a decade ago, the scholar David Runciman wrote a book called The Confidence Trap. It argued that the problem with democracy is that each time it survives a crisis, people wrongly assume that it’s indestructible. We’re confident that democracy can survive anything because it survived the last thing. In today’s America, that confidence now looks badly misplaced. The US only narrowly survived Trump on 6 January 2021 – and the defences that kept the peril at bay are steadily getting weaker.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. *If* they prevail (notwithstanding the Military),

then it's officially the first day of the New Civil War. They don't want the Constitution. They don't want democracy. They want their own country.

[oioioi]

2. List of Roman civil wars and revolts

3rd century BC

241 BC: Falisci revolt – revolt suppressed[1]
216–203 BC: Defection of Rome's Italian allies to the Carthaginians during the Second Punic War

2nd century BC

135–132 BC: First Servile War in Sicily - revolt suppressed[2][3]
125 BC: Fregellae revolt - revolt suppressed[4]
104–100 BC: Second Servile War in Sicily - revolt suppressed[5]

1st century BC

91–87 BC: Social War, between Rome and many of its fellow Italian allies - Roman victory.
88 BC: Sulla's march on Rome, causing his enemy, Gaius Marius, to be outlawed
87 BC: Bellum Octavianum, civil war between the consuls Cornelius Cinna and Octavius – Cinnan victory.
83–81 BC: Sulla's civil war, fought between Sulla and Cinna's supporters – Sullan victory.
80–72 BC: Sertorian War between Rome and the provinces of Hispania under the leadership of Quintus Sertorius, a former supporter of Marius and Cinna – Sullan victory.
77 BC: Lepidus' rebellion against the Sullan regime – Sullan victory.
73–71 BC: Third Servile War in Italy – revolt suppressed.
63–62 BC: Catiline Conspiracy between the Senate and the dissatisfied followers of Catiline – Senatorial victory.
49–45 BC: Caesar's Civil War between Julius Caesar and the Optimates initially led by Pompey the Great (Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus) – Caesarian victory.
46 BC: Revolt of the Bellovaci in North-Eastern Gaul – revolt suppressed
44 BC: Revolt of the Allobroges in Gaul – revolt suppressed
44–43 BC: Post-Caesarian Civil War between the Senate's army (led first by Cicero and then by Octavian) and the army of Antony, Lepidus, and their colleagues – Truce results in union of forces.
44–42 BC: Liberators' civil war between the Second Triumvirate and the Liberators (Brutus and Cassius, Caesar's assassins) – Triumvirate victory.
44–36 BC: Bellum Siculum, war between the Second Triumvirate (particularly Octavian and Agrippa) and Sextus Pompey, the son of Pompey – Triumvirate victory.
41–40 BC: Perusine War between the forces of Octavian against Lucius Antonius and Fulvia (the younger brother and wife of Mark Antony) – Octavian victory.
38 BC: Revolt of Aquitanian tribes – revolt suppressed by Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa
32–30 BC: War of Actium between Octavian and his friend and general Agrippa against Antony and Cleopatra – Octavian victory.
30–29 BC: Revolt of the Morini and Treveri in Northern Gaul with Germanic support – revolt suppressed
30 BC: Revolt in the Nile delta and the Thebaid – revolt suppressed by Gaius Cornelius Gallus
28–27 BC: Revolt in Gallia Aquitania – revolt suppressed by Marcus Valerius Messalla Corvinus
13 BC: Revolt of Vologases, priest of Dionysus, in Thrace – revolt suppressed
11–9 BC: Revolt of southern mountain tribes in Thrace – revolt suppressed by Calpurnius Piso
4 BC: Revolt of Jews in Judea – revolt suppressed by Publius Quinctilius Varus

1st century

3–6: Revolt of the Gaetuli in Mauretania – revolt suppressed by Cossus Cornelius Lentulus Gaetulicus
6: Revolt of Judas of Galilee against Roman taxation – revolt suppressed
6–9: Bellum Batonianum, a great rebellion in Illyricum against Rome – revolt suppressed by Tiberius
9: Revolt by German leader Arminius destroys three Roman legions in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, permanently ending Roman efforts to conquer Germanic territories east of the Rhine.
14: Mutiny of the legions in Germania and Illyricum suppressed by Germanicus and Drusus Julius Caesar
17–24: Tacfarinas' revolt in north Africa – revolt suppressed by Publius Cornelius Dolabella
21: Revolt of the Treveri, Aedui, Andes (Andecavi) and Turoni under Julius Florus and Julius Sacrovir in Gaul – revolt suppressed by Gaius Silius and Gaius Calpurnius Aviola
21: Revolt of the Coelaletae, Odrysae and Dii in Thrace – revolt suppressed by P. Vellaeus
26: Revolt in Thrace – revolt suppressed by Gaius Poppaeus Sabinus
28: Revolt of the Frisii in the Battle of Baduhenna Wood – rebel victory
36: Revolt of the Cietae in Cappadocia – revolt suppressed by Marcus Trebellius
38: Alexandrian riots
40: Alexandrian riots
40–44: Revolt of Aedemon and Sabalus in Mauretania – revolt suppressed by Gaius Suetonius Paulinus and Gnaeus Hosidius Geta
42: Failed usurpation of Lucius Arruntius Camillus Scribonianus in Dalmatia
46: The Kingdom of Thrace riots against the Romans after the death of King Rhoemetalces III – revolt suppressed
46–48: Jacob and Simon uprising in the Galilee – revolt suppressed
60–61: Boudica's uprising in Britain – revolt suppressed by Gaius Suetonius Paulinus
66–73: First Jewish–Roman War – revolt suppressed
68: Revolt in Gallia Lugdunensis under Gaius Julius Vindex – revolt suppressed by Lucius Verginius Rufus' army
68–69: The Year of the Four Emperors between various Romans following the death of Nero (AD 68). After Nero's suicide, the generals Galba, Otho, and Vitellius take the throne within months of each other. General Vespasian, who until that point was fighting the revolt in Judaea, is victorious. He founds the Flavian dynasty.
69: Revolt of Anicetus in Colchis – revolt suppressed by Virdius Geminus
69–70: Revolt of the Batavi, Treveri and Lingones in Gaul – revolt suppressed
79–80: Failed usurpation of Terentius Maximus, a Pseudo-Nero, in Asia
89: Revolt of Lucius Antonius Saturninus with two legions in Germania Superior – revolt suppressed

2nd century

115–117: Kitos War in Egypt, Cyrenaica and Cyprus – revolt suppressed
117: Revolt in Mauretania – revolt suppressed by Marcius Turbo
122: Apis riots in Alexandria
132–136: Bar Kokhba revolt in Judea – revolt suppressed
152: Nomadic tribes and brigands in North Africa - suppressed through defense systems and fortifications[6]
153: Alexandrian riots
172: Revolt of the Boukoloi in Egypt – revolt suppressed by Avidius Cassius
175: Failed usurpation of Avidius Cassius in the eastern parts of the Roman Empire
185: Army mutiny in Britain suppressed by Pertinax
190: Two revolts in Africa suppressed by Pertinax
193–197: Year of the Five Emperors and subsequent civil war between the generals Septimius Severus, Pescennius Niger and Clodius Albinus following the assassination of Commodus (AD 192) and the subsequent murders of Pertinax and Didius Julianus (AD 193). Severus is victorious and founds the Severan dynasty.

3rd century

218: Battle of Antioch, fought between the Emperor Macrinus and his rival Elagabalus and resulting in Macrinus' downfall and his replacement by Elagabalus.
219: Failed usurpations of Verus and Gellius Maximus in Syria.
221: Failed usurpation of Seleucus, possibly in Moesia
227: Failed usurpation of Seius Sallustius in Rome
232: Failed usurpation of Taurinius in Syria.
235–284: Crisis of the Third Century – at least 26 claimants fought with each other to become emperor and emperors fought against usurpers, resulting in frequent civil war and breakaway Gallic Roman (260–274) and Palmyrene Empires (270–273).
238: Year of the Six Emperors between various generals against Maximinus Thrax and after his murder. After Gordian I and Gordian II are defeated by a pro-Maximinus Army following an attempt to overthrow the emperor, Maximinus is assassinated. Pupienus, Balbinus, and Gordian III replace him, but the former two are assassinated within months and only Gordian III survives.
240: Failed usurpation of Sabinianus in Mauretania
248–249: Failed usurpations of Jotapianus in Syria and Pacatianus in Moesia.
249: Emperor Philip the Arab killed and overthrown by rebels at the Battle of Verona and replaced by Decius.
250: Failed usurpation of Licinianus in Rome.
251: Failed usurpation of Titus Julius Priscus in Thrace.
252: Failed usurpation of Cyriades in Syria.
253: Usurpations of Aemilianus and Valerian: Emperors Trebonianus Gallus and Volusianus murdered by their soldiers and replaced by Aemilianus. Valerian raises the Rhine legions in revolt, while Aemilianus is killed by his own soldiers.
254: Failed usurpation of Uranius in Syria.
260: Failed usurpations of Ingenuus and Regalianus in Pannonia.
260–261: Failed usurpation of Macrianus Major, Macrianus Minor, Quietus and Balista in the East
260–274: The breakaway Gallic Empire
261: Failed usurpations of Lucius Piso and Valens Thessalonicus in Achaea.
261–262: Failed usurpation of Mussius Aemilianus and Memor in Egypt.
267: Failed usurpation of Maeonius in Palmyra.
268: Failed usurpation of Aureolus in the West. Emperor Gallienus murdered by his soldiers and Claudius Gothicus proclaimed Emperor.
270: Usurpation of Aurelian against Quintillus.
270–273: The breakaway Palmyrene Empire.
271: Failed usurpations of Felicissimus in Rome and Septimius in Dalmatia.
275: Aurelian murdered by the Praetorian Guard and replaced by Marcus Claudius Tacitus
276: Usurpation of Probus against Florianus.
280: Failed usurpation of Julius Saturninus in the East.
280–281: Failed usurpation of Proculus and Bonosus in the West.
282: Probus assassinated by his soldiers. The new emperor Carus may have been involved in the plotting.
283–285: Failed usurpation of Sabinus Julianus.
284–285: Usurpation of Diocletian against Carinus
284–286: Bagaudae uprising in Gaul under Aelianus and Amandus – revolt suppressed
286–296: Carausian revolt under Carausius and Allectus in Britain and northern Gaul – revolt suppressed
293: Revolt of the towns of Busiris and Coptos in the Egyptian Thebaid – revolt suppressed by Galerius
297–298: Failed usurpation of Domitius Domitianus and Achilleus in Egypt

4th century

303: Failed usurpation of Eugenius in Roman Syria
306–324: Civil wars of the Tetrarchy, beginning with the usurpation of Maxentius and the defeat of Flavius Valerius Severus, and ending with the defeat of Licinius at the hands of Constantine I in 324 AD. The Tetrarchy established by Diocletian would break up because of these wars.
334: Failed usurpation of Calocaerus in Cyprus
337: Caesars Dalmatius and Hannibalianus killed by soldiers in a purge orchestrated by Constantius II.
340: Civil war, when Constans defeated Constantine II near Aquileia.
350–353: Roman civil war of 350–353, when Constantius II defeated the usurper Magnentius who had assassinated Constans.
351–352: Jewish revolt against Constantius Gallus in Syria Palaestina – revolt suppressed
355: Failed usurpation of Claudius Silvanus in Gaul
361: Usurpation of Julian the Apostate
365–366: Revolt of Procopius, when the Emperor Valens defeated the usurpers Procopius and Marcellus.
372: Failed usurpation of Theodorus in Antioch
372–375: Revolt of Firmus in Africa – revolt suppressed by Count Theodosius
383–384: Usurpation of Magnus Maximus in the west and the killing of Gratian by the general Andragathius
387: Tax riots against Emperor Theodosius I in Antioch.
387–388: Civil War of 387–388, when the Eastern Emperor Theodosius I defeated the Western Emperor Magnus Maximus.
390: Revolt in Thessalonica culminating in the Massacre of Thessalonica.
392–394: Civil War of 392–394, when the Eastern Emperor Theodosius I defeated the usurper Eugenius.
398: Gildonic revolt, when the Comes Gildo rebelled against the Western Emperor Honorius. The revolt was subdued by Flavius Stilicho, the magister militum of the Western Roman empire.
399–400: Revolt of Tribigild and Gainas in the Eastern Empire – revolt suppressed

5th century

406–413: Civil war as the usurpers Marcus, Gratian, Constantine III, Constans II (son of Constantine III), Maximus of Hispania, Priscus Attalus, Jovinus, Sebastianus and Heraclianus tried to usurp the throne of Emperor Honorius. All were defeated.
409–417: Bagaudae uprising in the Loire valley and Brittany
419–421: Revolt of Maximus in Hispania – revolt suppressed
423–425: Civil war, when the usurper Joannes was defeated by the army of Emperor Valentinian III.
427–429: Civil war, when the Comes Africae Bonifacius fought inconclusively against the Magister militum Felix. The civil war was terminated by negotiations brokered by Galla Placidia.
432: Civil war, when the Magister militum Flavius Aetius was defeated by the rival Magister militum Bonifacius, who died of wounds sustained in battle soon afterwards, giving Aetius full control over the Western Empire.
435–437: Bagaudae uprising under Tibatto in Gaul suppressed by Flavius Aetius.
455: Valentinian III assassinated and overthrown by Petronius Maximus.
455: Petronius Maximus stoned to death by mob and replaced by Avitus.
461: Majorian assassinated and overthrown by Ricimer.
468: Failed usurpation by Arvandus.
470: Failed usurpation by Romanus.
472: Anthemius overthrown by Ricimer.
474: Glycerius overthrown by Julius Nepos.
475: Julius Nepos overthrown by Orestes.
476: Orestes overthrown by Odoacer. Romulus Augustulus deposed, ending the Western Roman Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_civil_wars_and_revolts

[A HERETIC I AM]

3. So in other words...

They have a few goes yet.





As to the point of the OP, let them try and their modern record will be 0 for 4.

(American Civil war, WWI and WWII plus whatever tantrum they are contemplating)

[oioioi]

4. Not sure I would count WWI, WWII

but maybe JFK, MLK, Huey Long, Bonus Army, etc. More than 4, at any rate

However yes, there's abundant historical precedent to suggest this malevolence won't be easily exorcised.

[gab13by13]

5. There won't need to be a storming of the Capitol,

the cheating will be done at the state level, plus gerrymandering, but if I say this I am called a doom and gloomer.

I saw this coming many years ago, I live in Pa. where Democrats outvoted Republicans every election, because of the 2010 gerrymandering, Republicans gained state seats every election. Now Pa. Republicans get to gerrymander some more and so when I hear GOTV I understand that in Pa. that applies more so to the state wide races. Now, this year, if no coup plotters are held accountable, the Cyber Ninjas were not, then what's to stop Pa. election officials from tossing out ballots in highly populated Democratic precincts?

Dems better be ready to file a lot of law suits because our future elections may well be nothing but chaos.

[Cosmocat]

7. YEP

I know these people, and they ALL know that the unstated promise to the Mastriano campaign is that if he wins he will use his position to ensure that any dem that wins at the state level will have it invalided in some way shape or form.

[stopdiggin]

8. it will have nothing to do with 'the Capital'

or storming. (as the OP and article go on to explain. an unfortunate headline.)

[Firestorm49]

6. Why do we always seem to be playing "catch up" with these guys?

[Irish_Dem]

9. The GOP is done with democracy.

They will install their puppets who will enact draconian laws and establish white Jesus minority rule.