Ivanka's House hearing testimony undercut by former White House press secretary

[no_hypocrisy]

https://www.rawstory.com/ivanka-trump-2657487605/

"Well, yes," (Stephanie Grisholm) replied. "It reminded me of two things I want to say, number one with regard to Ivanka: I think that that's all well and good that she said that she believed Bill Barr, but if I remember correctly she was still traveling with her father while he pushed this big lie."



And how about that Ivanka Tweet, calling the Insurrectionists "American Patriots", published on January 6? That doesn't sound like a full-fledged acceptance of the Election Results.

And don't tell me that Ivanka deleted the above-referenced Tweet the moment she "respected" Bill Barr's assessment of the Election.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Nah! Couldn't be.

That would mean she's either lying, and/or has decided to save herself. After all, daddy is an old, nearly worn out almost-depreciated asset except for his alleged billions.

[True Blue American]

2. So Ivanka lied under oath to Congress?

Surprise,surprise! In that teeny, little fake voice!

[Slammer]

12. Belief

Believing Bill Barr didn't mean that she would stop lying to the American people in order to help her daddy.

[FakeNoose]

3. Ivanka always believed everything her Daddy told her

... until January 6th when it was obvious even to her that Daddy was nothing but a lying weasel.

[myohmy2]

4. it's easy...

...once you know the trick...

...

[Solly Mack]

5. I know I'm in the minority, but I didn't "hear" what Trump said as an attack on Ivanka.

Sounded more to me like he was trying to excuse why she would say what she did.

He said the election integrity, etc. wasn't her job, her purview, her interest, more or less. Which isn't to say she doesn't know anything in an insulting way but to suggest she wouldn't know because she wasn't involved, so how could she know?

Saying she had already checked out can be seen as insulting unless you remember the trouble Trump has with the English language and its understood usage.

He was simply saying she had moved on to other concerns. (So how could she know about all the election fraud?) If she wasn't paying attention, then she wouldn't know.

He's not saying she didn't believe the election was unfair/corrupt/rigged only that she wasn't paying attention enough to know the "facts".

As far as his comments about her comment about Barr, he seemed to be saying that his daughter was just being polite to a (former) member of government because of their title. Showing respect for authority because it is authority.

To me, Trump was trying to protect her from his followers. In the event they decide to attack her over her comments. He did this by trying to downplay the significance of her comments and he wasn't trying to insult her.

In as much as someone like Trump is capable of loving another person not himself, he favors Ivanka over everyone else.

As for what I thought of her comments...

I thought them meaningless.

She said, more or less - Oh, sure, definitely. I respect the office and authority of the Attorney General, so I believed him.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

And I remember she was right by his side for his lies about the election.

[Chellee]

9. This was how I interpreted his comment also.

She also has really annoying speech quirks (annoying to me, anyway.)

Q: How did it affect your perspective?

A: It affected my perspective.

Not did it, how!?!

[Solly Mack]

11. Growing up, and I'd wager good money on this, Trump wouldn't ask a question

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or even make a statement that wasn't a test of some sort. To see how they would respond.

How his children responded would determine a pass or fail, and a failure would bring ridicule or some other punishment.

They weren't born knowing how to answer, of course, so through trial and error they learned to say what their father needed them to say. Or at least they tried.

Ivanka Trump strikes me as the child who took the game to heart. So much so she responds in much the same manner with other people. Her protection mode is always on the lookout for verbal landmines and sensing them, responds accordingly.

It's probably second nature by now.

Her tick might be the result of those ego feeding sessions with her father.

Trump: How do you like my hair?

Ivanka: I like your hair.

She took that abuse and what she learned from it and now she uses it to her advantage.

It's still about survival, but it's also about getting what she wants.

Which she would have learned to tap into and utilize years ago.

[KS Toronado]

14. Good point

[Solly Mack]

16. That household had to be a horrible place to grow up.

I'm sure they had their good moments, but with someone like Trump in the home, good could turn to bad in an instant.

[flying rabbit]

17. That seems like

an excellent assessment.

[Solly Mack]

22. I can't imagine that home being anything other than abusive.

Which isn't to say they didn't have good moments, they probably did...comparatively speaking.

Though I also imagine the mood being tempered by feelings of impending doom. A cloud of dread hanging over everything.

Like a birthday celebration where the birthday girl/boy are constantly watching their father to see his reaction to everything happening - but kids being kids, forgetting for a moment only to be slapped, figuratively, back into reality.

An ever-present sense of dread.

I don't feel sorry for them as adults, but I can see how as children they were shaped by Trump's insatiable ego and low self-esteem. His need to control everything and everyone around him. His cruel tendency to see just how far he can push someone for his own amusement. The manipulative and transactional nature of what passed for love in that home - sickening when you think about it.

It's funny, but even though they'll breathe a sigh of relief when he dies, they will also deify his memory.

I'm just speculating, of course.

[dalton99a]

19. +1

[tanyev]

6. Ivanka was a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States when it suited her,

and whenever things got dicey she was just a loving daughter supporting her daddy.

[Lonestarblue]

7. This is Stephanie Grisham, Melania's friend.

Melania supposedly hated Ivanka, and we all probably remember that angry look at the inauguration that she directed at Trump after he turned and smiled at Ivanka instead of her. Grisham may simply be getting in a dig at Ivanka for Melania.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. With due respect, I think you're confusing Stephanie Grishom with the author of

Melania and Me, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Winston_Wolkoff

Melania fired her friend, SWW, and replaced her with SG.

[Lonestarblue]

10. I was actually thinking of Stephanie Grisham, whose book was published this year.

She was Melania’s Chief of Staff and was said to be a close confidant to her. I haven’t read her book because I have no need to learn anything about any of the Trumps or the people around them. They’re all vile.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. "testimony undercut by former White House press secretary"

When I saw the OP headline I was wondering "which one?" because there were a revolving door of them (4)!

[Joinfortmill]

15. She had that 'deer in the headlights' look. Lying thru her teeth.

[dalton99a]

18. "Insurrectionists are American patriots"

[stopdiggin]

20. Ivanka's testimony (if it has any import at all)

is that it speaks to the point that numerous people (both inner circle and out) were fully aware that Trump LOST the election - and further that he was told so repeatedly. That knowledge and truth did not alter the former president's behavior - or the course of events.

There was nothing 'revelatory' beyond that. Ivanka is just a prime (and reasonable photogenic and media friendly) example for a myriad of figures and voices carrying that message - and the following dynamic and history that is already fairly well established.

And then Trump went on to try to overturn a free and fair election.

[mzmolly]

21. Ivanka pushed the big lie, in spite of knowing it was

bullshit. I don't think that undercuts her testimony, it merely indicates she inherited her 'integrity' from daddy Trump.