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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Biden FTW: Energy Firms Not Drilling INTENTIONALLY To Increase Profits.
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Thanks President Biden. Hold Big Energy accountable. It's blood money.
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Samrob
(4,298 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Lovie777
(22,980 posts)and where is the media?
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)Rebl2
(17,740 posts)progressoid
(53,179 posts)Don't bite the hand that feeds.
FloridaBlues
(4,668 posts)Dont see many on tv on supporting Biden on this issue and many other issues we are facing.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)They absolutely NEED to get serious about messaging!
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Rebl2
(17,740 posts)do that easily? Would there be court fights if they tried that?
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)PatrickforB
(15,425 posts)Multi-national publicly held companies don't care about national security at all. They care about shareholder profits. That was the lie they told about the Keystone Pipeline. Remember? "Oh, it will increase our national oil security!"
But do you remember those Congressional hearings? The big-oil executives would NOT commit to selling that oil to this country. Nope. They are in a market and they said their fiduciary responsibility as corporate officers in a publicly held company is to the shareholders, not the US government. Thus, they would sell this oil to the highest bidder regardless.
The same thing is apparent with gun manufacturers. They routinely use the NRA to block any gun control legislation whatsoever because shareholder profits are held to be more important than our grandchildren's lives in their boardrooms. That is the reality and we need to be POUNDING on that during every single campaign. That, and the damage the reversal of Roe v Wade will do to women, families, and the labor force.
And what about the 29 million Americans who presently do not have health insurance? Eleven million of those ARE WORKING but cannot afford care. People have to take out loans for healthcare costs. People go bankrupt over healthcare DEBT. I have been disappointed for many years because I supported Obama over Clinton in '08 because Obama campaigned on healthcare. I envisioned Medicare for all Americans. Silly me.
Instead we got a system (the best we could do 'cause we didn't have the votes to ram it through in '09, don't you know?) that increased revenue and shareholder profits for direct health insurance carriers, big pharma, and for-profit healthcare providers. Yes, I know all that about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. The ACA was (and is) a big deal because it is the first national system. And maybe it WAS the best we could achieve at that time. But we CAN and SHOULD do better.
Too bad that would include raising taxes on corporations, imposing a per-trade tax on the Wall Street abitrage 'bots, removing the payroll tax cap for Social Security, imposing a (nice confiscatory, I hope) wealth tax on the billionaire parasites, and raising our income taxes as well. People in Congress (including those few Republicans who are sane) would actually have to DO stuff and take political risks - because if they did this there would be BILLIONS in dark money opposing their reelections every step of the way, and corporate media would NOT report it that way - not at all.
Equally too bad that only a few 'far left' politicians like Sanders, Warren, Porter, AOC and others haven't figured out that they need to equate the premiums and copays, the coinsurance, and the self-pay fees to taxes. Because it would even out, and we'd actually save money in the long run.
By the way, why do you think people who want to use our tax dollars, paid by us into this government that is ostensibly 'of by and for' the people, for things that materially benefit us and our families, always get labeled 'far left radical?' Oh, that's right - the media is owned by six publicly held corporations that don't want that!
yonder
(10,293 posts)Beachnutt
(8,909 posts)them to produce more oil, they are blackmailing America with a resource that our economy depends on.
If he can't force them then he should rescind the public land leases and organize a government drilling program and flood the market with our own oil.
Or bring in foreign drilling companies to do it.
mwooldri
(10,818 posts)Now doing this will not go down well with the "green" Democrats and sure will receive some "we told you so" from the Trumplicans but it could theoretically increase crude production. But then there's also refining the oil.
I hope this has at least been considered in the WH.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)How?
A drilling rig, like any of Transocean's rigs, cost upwards of a billion dollars and take years to build and put into operation. It is crewed by a very experienced team of hundreds and rents out to whomever for about a million a day.
They are not sitting idle and they are mobile.
Attempting to "force" Exxon to do something is futile beyond the meaning of futile. The people who work for these monsters live all over the world, travel and being away from home is a part of life.
They would flee the US in a heart beat and take their toys with them, and outside of actual military force to stop them there is nothing that could be done. No foreign company is going to come over here and even try, they are working as well. What is it? Hey ... stop making billions in the Med and hop over here to work under the US government. We will most likely sue you next year ... but hey, it will be fun.
ROFL!
Sure.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)pockets that reach every corner of our government including but not limited to SCOTUS.
dalton99a
(94,116 posts)House of Roberts
(6,525 posts)They have drilled wells that are capped and not producing now. They need to use the refinery capacity they have with just enough oil pumped to reach that quantity.
Abnredleg
(1,260 posts)Unemployment is 3.6% (4% is considered full employment) so, just like many other industries, they cant dramatically expand. Add in the fact that refineries are operating at 91% and there is little room for dramatic increases in drilling.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Put the two together. Issue special work permits for a year.
Abnredleg
(1,260 posts)operating at capacity, and there is no way to rapidly increase refinery output.
King_Klonopin
(1,379 posts)If the refineries are producing as much as they can as quickly as they can, then
the excuse of an oil shortage of crude is bogus and irrelevant.
This all started when Russia invaded Ukraine in February. They used that crisis as
an excuse to raise gas prices, claiming that there would be a FUTURE shortage of
Russian oil -- it had not even materialized yet. Let's call it what it is: war profiteering,
market manipulation by oligopolies, taking advantage of a crisis, and base greed.
I believe Russia supplied us with 3-8% of our crude oil.
Gas prices at the pump have doubled -- now over $5 /gallon in Massachusetts.
The month before the invasion of Ukraine, the price for a barrel of crude was $86.
It is now $123 per barrel. Why?
Aside from the math, something doesn't add up here.
This "shortage" feels contrived. We are being gouged by oil companies who have
total control over the "free market" controls which determine pricing.
They control supply. They control drilling. They control refining. They control pricing.
Demand is a steady variable -- it has not changed.
They can manipulate the market, simply by creating an artificial supply shortage --
which is what they do on a cyclical basis.
And let's be honest. Big oil does not like having a Dem in the White House, nor do
they like Dem control of the House. I expect prices will come down a bit after the
mid-term elections, and even more if a Republican wins the Pres election in 2024.
Big oil is screwing us because: 1) They have the power to do so, and 2) They can
blame the Dems and screw them while reaping obscene profits -- that's a WIN-WIN
for them. Haven't they done this in the past?
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Less drilling, the prices would come down, we would be less dependent on those crooks who are doing this, and we would fry ourselves alive at a slower pace.
randr
(12,648 posts)and define the narrative re: increasing inflation
The corps are not going to stop raking in excessive profits anytime soon.
They are lining their pockets at the same time they achieve their political objectives.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)They are lining their pockets at the same time they achieve their political objectives
gulliver
(13,985 posts)He's our ace pitcher and slugger.
We should be on offense when it comes to inflation, not defense. The people on our side who don't see that need to move their eyelids to the open position.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Damn to torpedos - full speed ahead!
notinkansas
(1,318 posts)It's the place to start.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)And has been all along. He has been consistent in doing this and we need to follow suit.
WE MUST CALL THEM OUT ON EVERY BULLSHIT THING THEY DO AND SAY!!
It puts them on notice that we see them and we are not going to allow this shit anymore.
We're done with that shit and so are they.
And vote in every election.
videohead5
(2,950 posts)Oil reached $140.00 a barrel and gas prices never got close to this high. It's the oil companies' greed.
hunter
(40,690 posts)Shouldn't we be figuring out ways to burn less of it?
Fortunately I think Biden has got that.
Unfortunately he has to deal with the immediate shit storms stirred up by those who don't want Democrats in power.
judesedit
(4,592 posts)harumph
(3,278 posts)It's the refiners' margin - two separate issues!
https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
Raven123
(7,797 posts)C Moon
(13,643 posts)wendyb-NC
(4,691 posts)Shameless greed.
PatrickforB
(15,425 posts)Shareholder profits are king, and we routinely hold them above everything else, even human life and the habitability of the planet. The doctrine of the primacy of the shareholder has been in place since the Dodge brothers won in the MI Supreme Court against Henry Ford in 1919. They sued Ford for raising the wages of his factory workers on the basis that doing that deprived them of profits to which they were entitled as shareholders. So the shareholder has been KING for 103 years now.
When we consider this from the 'perspective' of big oil and Wall Street, we see they are trying to recoup profits lost during the shutdown months in 2020, which includes the buying back of stock. That IS their job, because WE HAVE LET IT BE THEIR JOB by not overturning the doctrine of shareholder primacy and replacing it with a stakeholder approach to corporate governance.
We have also created a gross imbalance in tax revenue sources for the federal government (individuals pay in ~86% of the government's tax revenue while corporations only pay in ~6.8% - an unsustainable situation that systematically leaves the treasury short when it comes to doing stuff that will materially help Americans and their families). If we go back to the 1970s, this ratio was 35:45.
Finally, by getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, and allowing corporate consolidation of 'news' reporting, as well as the cancerous spread of right-wing talk radio, we have allowed corporations and billionaire parasites to routinely drive wedges between us so we hate and mistrust one another.
Fox didn't even CARRY the January 6 prime time hearing. They didn't even carry it. That's what putting profits over truth does for us.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)That's why Dems do capitalism far better than Republicans. Capitalism is like fire. It's ridiculously beneficial when controlled. Base Republicans and their demagogues worship (and pretend to worship) the fire. It's a god to them, not a tool. Republican laissez faire yahoos are among capitalism's greatest enemies.
PatrickforB
(15,425 posts)This is the most efficient way to deliver goods and services. The only thing I'm railing against is the doctrine of shareholder primacy and the corruption that has grown from it like bindweed. Citizens United, the inability to have any reasonable gun control, high drug prices, hate-talk radio.
We need small business and entrepreneurship, and we need to define the role of government as in my signature below - a public good is any service where the profit motive is in direct conflict with the best interests of those being served - policing, firefighting, planning and zoning, water and sewage treatment, the power grid, scientific research, news reporting, healthcare, prisons - you get it. This is why, as you say, the Dems do it better.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)I tried hard to find something you said that didn't make a lot of sense, but I failed.
moondust
(21,286 posts)Some executives will likely do ANYTHING to boost their stock price and thereby avoid being discarded by angry stockholders.
Big oil and Wall Street know that people are tired of staying home during the pandemic and are now going to get back out there and go places no matter what! So it's an opportunity to cash in.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I'm going to go out on a limb here, but my memory tells me this happens everytime the gQp gives up their corrupt grip on the White House.
It happened with Carter...BIG TIME, with Obama, and now with Biden. Let's face another fact...higher prices result in less driving. Maybe not for everyone...but for most. We pay more...we drive less.
These evil sons-a-bitches need to be ruled in and whipped. "If you aren't going to drill the 9000 parcels, we'll take them back." If they continue making record profits, thrn tax the windfall profits at 90% and give a gas tax rebate to people making less than $400k a year.
This nonsense needs to be stopped.
Finally, truckers write off the expenses of gas, diesel, maintenance, etc....so it gets directly deducted from their taxable income. They don't need to raise their costs 100% on the consumers.
bahboo
(16,953 posts)make sure everyone knows this....
lees1975
(7,046 posts)On twitter no less.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)I have lowered my consumption to a trip a week to the grocery store. I understand that people have to use gas to earn a living, but I don't do Sunday drives or won't do vacations until this madness stops.
LT Barclay
(3,180 posts)Gulf of Mexico. I would be guessing that a lot of productive wells are still idle.
But I don't think this is the real problem. This is simply revenge because Biden got elected and cancelled leases. If I had the money to invest I would have bet on gasoline futures because I knew the moment he got elected the prices would go up. Look back in the past, if Republicans are in charge gas prices stay moderate or go down around elections. If Democrats are in charge they climb. If I knew how to gather the data I could prove it because I have seen it too many times.
Also I lived in CA for a while. At the time gas prices were hovering around $0.95 to 1.05. If they got around the 0.95 a refinery was pulled off line for "maintenance" or there was an accident. Again it was entirely predictable.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)...but a lot of wells are capped right after they're drilled. They don't need the oil yet, but it's there waiting for them when they do.
Opening up some of those wells would end the crude oil shortage very quickly.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)More than a drilling problem