All 24 Hours of Le Mans Race Cars to Use 100% Renewable Fuel

[Hotler]

https://biofuelscentral.com/all-24-hours-le-mans-race-cars-100-renewable-fuel-produced-totalenergies/

2022 24-hours of Le Mans is on now on the Motor Trend channel, and listen at
radiolemans.com
click on http://player.radiolemans.co/

[Tikki]

1. With this being a constant point of debate in my home.

I will give the Le Mans some proper.
It is a start.
Here's hoping they will reach zero emissions well before 2050.

Tikki

[hunter]

2. There's nothing "renewable" about biofuels.

Aside from burning fossil fuels, agriculture is the most environmentally destructive things humans do.

We ought to minimize it.

[MineralMan]

3. And how do you suppose 7+ billion people are going to eat?

Agriculture means food. "Minimizing" agriculture means starvation.

If you read the article, you would have learned that the fuel that will be used is made from the left behind materials used in winemaking. It's not made from something grown specifically to make fuel. It is made from waste materials.

[hunter]

4. So we are conditioned to believe.

Cheap bacon or gallon jugs of cows milk, for example, are not human necessities. Should tough environmental and animal welfare regulations raise the price of those nobody will starve. Personally I quit buying bacon and gallon jugs of milk a long time ago.

I did read the article. Do you want to reduce the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere? Don't burn these wastes as fuel, bury them where they won't come back up for a few million years.

Make some coal. Make some oil. Put back some of what we took out.

No? Otherwise make some compost. Recycle the nutrients.

Too many "renewable" energy schemes are accounting tricks.

Some of my neighbors who have huge solar arrays on their rooftops will brag about their electric bills, but when the sun goes down we all use the same electricity. Electricity doesn't work like money.

Some schemes are essentially fraudulent, approaching the Volkswagen emissions scandal in their audaciousness.

I place this scheme somewhere in between.

And it's nothing that's going to "save the world." There are simply not enough agricultural wastes to displace even a small fraction of human fossil fuel use.

There are ways of making carbon neutral substitutes for fossil fuels, but the only methods that scale require nuclear power.

[MineralMan]

5. I'm afraid that your thinking is way, way too narrow, actually.

If you will remove the blinders that are blocking your peripheral vision, you'll understand that those jugs of milk go to feed hungry children everywhere. The cheap bacon is a by-product of pork production.

Those crushed grapes and grape skins can still be buried if you wish, but they can also be used as the base for ethanol-based fuels to be used to transport food from one place where it is grown to another place where people need it because they can't grow anything where they live.

People have to eat. We have too many people, to be sure, but there is no actual or acceptable short-term answer that will decrease those number.

Look at what's on your own plate when you eat.

[hunter]

7. Fortunately I have no hand in writing the Democratic Party Platform.

If, on the other hand, I was Emperor of Earth, there would be some changes around here.

My politics are practical. Many of my thought experiments are not. By the laws of the universe, yes they are practical, as best I can discern them. By the immediate politics of humans, probably not.

Thus myself, the Royal We, a radical environmentalist and social justice warrior, compromises.

Well, except for any Microsoft or Windows products. I won't touch those unless someone is paying me. And it's extremely unlikely I'll ever buy a new car again. I did that once back in the 'eighties. That was enough.

The last I ate pork was a long time ago. Some feral pig turned into sausage. I've eaten bacon since but that's only at certain family gatherings where people expect it.

[Victor_c3]

6. Porsche is actually producing a fuel that is made from sequestered CO2 from the atmosphere

They use wind energy to produce it.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/04/06/porsche-taking-stake-in-e-fuels-maker-highly-innovative-fuels-global.html

Their plan is to eventually produce enough fuel to power the vehicles they produce