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Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:28 AM Jun 2022

Veterans create bulletproof bookcases for schools

As mass shootings continue to plague American life, whether it be inside schools or workplace, military veteran Jake Ahle said he isn’t waiting around for the next mass causality.

He and Pete Facchini, both New Jersey natives, have created a line of bulletproof bookcases that can serve as a last line of defense when a mass shooter enters the premises.

“The bookcase itself weighs 480 pounds, the exoskeleton is made of steel and it’s lined with Kevlar,” Ahle told Nexstar’s WPIX. “Hidden underneath the bottom of the steel skirt are four wheels and those wheels make it a very mobile.”

If an active shooter enters the school, the bookcase can be wheeled in front of any classroom entrances. Once the bookcaseis secured and locked in place, which takes a matter of seconds, the would-be shooter would not have any access inside the room, and would only be met with a mounted mirror on the back of them.

https://www.wric.com/news/u-s-world/military-veterans-make-bulletproof-bookcases-to-protect-students-from-school-shootings/

WHY SHOULD THIS EVEN BE NECESSARY????

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Veterans create bulletproof bookcases for schools (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 OP
Wile E. Coyote never runs out of ideas Effete Snob Jun 2022 #1
Super genius! roamer65 Jun 2022 #51
Make all walls, doors and windows bulletproof dalton99a Jun 2022 #2
Would be nice Rebl2 Jun 2022 #8
yes, it would be great for the shooter Effete Snob Jun 2022 #12
I thought that too Rebl2 Jun 2022 #19
That's the common failure of hard defensive perimeters Effete Snob Jun 2022 #21
Single point of entry means single point of exit in case of fire. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2022 #33
How so? CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #67
I may have misinterpreted "single" entry. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2022 #68
Yes, but the agenda of MAGA is not to educate. Turbineguy Jun 2022 #31
So a teacher and elementary school kids are going to be able to move a 480 pound bookcase? csziggy Jun 2022 #3
It says they're on wheels and very mobile. PTWB Jun 2022 #5
Inertia is a thing and even with wheels getting a thousand pound thing does not roll "easily" csziggy Jun 2022 #10
So do I. PTWB Jun 2022 #17
How mobile would a 480 pound bookcase really be? PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2022 #4
Very. PTWB Jun 2022 #7
How much weight would books add? PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2022 #9
They could double the weight and it would still be trivial to roll around. PTWB Jun 2022 #13
Yes, that would also be helpful for the shooter Effete Snob Jun 2022 #16
We should just leave schools and classrooms unlocked and wide open, then? PTWB Jun 2022 #20
Do you live near an elementary school? Effete Snob Jun 2022 #23
Those kids don't need to be outside so much! Diamond_Dog Jun 2022 #26
I know, right? Effete Snob Jun 2022 #27
That's a lot of text... PTWB Jun 2022 #30
Should soccer fields and playgrounds be open and unlocked? lostnfound Jun 2022 #32
Have you ever seen a playground or soccer field inside a cramped room? PTWB Jun 2022 #34
Bold prediction Effete Snob Jun 2022 #36
Idiotic schemes like locking the door to a classroom with a crossbar? PTWB Jun 2022 #38
Yeah I am not following some of this either. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #50
A long road starts with one step. DiamondShark Jun 2022 #53
A fair answer, although schools are no more crowded than many outdoor concerts lostnfound Jun 2022 #43
The best part about the magic bookcases Effete Snob Jun 2022 #14
I foujd this source for book weights csziggy Jun 2022 #15
So if this bullet proof bookcase on wheels PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2022 #37
Yep, a shooter could probably open a door barricaded with one of these "easily moved" bookcases nt csziggy Jun 2022 #39
No, you don't understand Effete Snob Jun 2022 #40
That's the ticket! csziggy Jun 2022 #41
I think it locks into place in front of the door. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #48
Not with the wheels locked. former9thward Jun 2022 #54
Just no words. I've been in Bali since the middle of May. Phoenix61 Jun 2022 #6
Can we test it at Brett Kavanaugh's house first? Easier than legislation. 33taw Jun 2022 #11
Everything needs to be bulletproof bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #18
+1. And Kevlar clothing dalton99a Jun 2022 #22
bullet proof human sized hamster wheels. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #47
Our society is pure insanity. sarcasmo Jun 2022 #24
I hate it here greenjar_01 Jun 2022 #25
I say use all means to secure our schools until it is no longer necessary. TigressDem Jun 2022 #28
I bet a lot more than one child would be saved PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2022 #52
Totally. TigressDem Jun 2022 #60
Why stop there? Why not turn it into Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #29
Why? For reasons I don't fully understand, some Americans have taken to school mass shootings SYFROYH Jun 2022 #35
Until someone can figure out how to tove the guns, it may be necessary Kaleva Jun 2022 #42
Get rid of the damn guns!!!! Initech Jun 2022 #44
Just make bulletproof kids. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #45
+1000 roamer65 Jun 2022 #49
I actually applaud these ideas. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #46
I don't. They are a sign of deep societal sickness. NCLefty Jun 2022 #56
+1 Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #62
1 live schoolchild is worth 1 million "deep societal sickness" whines. Paladin Jun 2022 #64
I can understand that line of thinking. CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #66
Why? AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #58
I chew gum and walk at the same time CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author NCLefty Jun 2022 #55
More Rube Goldberg bullshit. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #57
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2022 #61
Company's video: sl8 Jun 2022 #59
Jesus Christ this is disturbing ismnotwasm Jun 2022 #63
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
1. Wile E. Coyote never runs out of ideas
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jun 2022

So, if a shooter gains access to a school equipped with these, then the shooter can put together one heck of a fortress.

Oh, right, sure, I forgot, these are magical defensive book cases which will only protect the people we want them to, because the book cases can tell the difference.

Sigh.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
12. yes, it would be great for the shooter
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

Since the shooter will be able to take advantage of all of that fortification after gaining entry.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
21. That's the common failure of hard defensive perimeters
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

The other thing that is entirely stupid about this is that elementary school children don't spend all day in classrooms.

I would bet that a good deal of people with the "try this stupid gimmick" idea don't really spend any time around elementary schools.

During the day, about a third of the children are outside on the playground, for rotating recesses depending on the size of the school.

The "single point of entry" or "bolt the door" people want to make sure that the children do not have multiple paths from the playground or athletic fields to get inside when a shooter opens fire on them. They want bottlenecks to allow maximum kills at those bottlenecks, and they want the slower kids locked out to be targets.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. Single point of entry means single point of exit in case of fire.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:04 PM
Jun 2022

Things which morons like Cruz, who has been paid 1/2 million by NRA, doesn't want to think about.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
67. How so?
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 09:09 PM
Jun 2022

They make doors that only open one way.

Sure while they are open they go both ways but they absolutely make doors that can’t be opened from outside that can be opened from inside. My highschool was filled with them.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
68. I may have misinterpreted "single" entry.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 09:36 PM
Jun 2022

I was thinking "one only" door to building.
And given all the damn crazy idiotic behavior of Repub. Texans, I'm still not sure.,😕

Turbineguy

(37,291 posts)
31. Yes, but the agenda of MAGA is not to educate.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:56 AM
Jun 2022

Spend money on security instead.

The uneducated vote for republicans.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
3. So a teacher and elementary school kids are going to be able to move a 480 pound bookcase?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:31 AM
Jun 2022

Not to mention how much the books inside it would add to the weight?

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
5. It says they're on wheels and very mobile.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:34 AM
Jun 2022

The wheels can be locked once rolled into place. Even 1000lbs rolls easily on wheels.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
10. Inertia is a thing and even with wheels getting a thousand pound thing does not roll "easily"
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jun 2022

Source, moving wheelbarrows with 500 pounds of manure in them. I have lots of experience with that.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
17. So do I.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

There’s a big difference trying to pick up and roll a wheel barrow on terrain compared with simply pushing a heavy object, on wheels, across a hard, flat, and level floor.

One doesn’t even have to use wheels (of course they’re more convenient and effective if they’re an option). I once moved a 2000 lb safe by myself using a pry bar, some small wooden wedges, and a few lengths of PVC pipe to act as rollers. The hard part was getting it up so that I could get the PVC underneath it. Once on the makeshift PVC rollers it was trivial to move.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
4. How mobile would a 480 pound bookcase really be?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jun 2022

Wheels or no wheels.

The same with bullet proof back packs. Killers don't politely wait for the kids to put their backpacks on before shooting.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
9. How much weight would books add?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jun 2022

Do you suppose the hypothetical shooter would politely wait for the teacher and kids to more the bookcases and get behind them?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
13. They could double the weight and it would still be trivial to roll around.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised because everyone has different life experiences, but it amazes me that folks are unaware of how easy it is to roll something heavy across a flat, hard floor.

One doesn’t even have to use wheels (of course they’re more convenient if they’re an option). I once moved a 2000 lb safe by myself using a pry bar, some small wooden wedges, and a few lengths of PVC pipe to act as rollers.

All that said, I think a heavy duty door lock would be cheaper, faster, easier, and just as effective.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. Yes, that would also be helpful for the shooter
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

That way the shooter can barricade inside a room full of children and make sure no one interrupts as they are shot one by one.

That's the problem with hard defensive perimeters. Once they are breached, they protect the attacker.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
23. Do you live near an elementary school?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jun 2022

I do.

There is one across the street from me.

For a good part of the day, it looks like this:



Now, you and persons of your ilk want to ensure that, in the event of an active shooter, that these kids all have to go to the SINGLE entrance that is available to get inside the school. That way the shooter can be sure to kill as many as possible, since the kids won't scatter to go into the nearest one of multiple entrances.

The other way you want to help the shooter is to make sure that anyone already inside has barricaded the doors, so that the kids who are last to get into the school are locked out of the rooms as targets.

it is Wile E. Coyote thinking. People who come up with these stupid fucking ideas in order to preserve the sanctity of gunz gunz gunz, think that the shooter is going to cooperate with the stupid scheme that Mr. Coyote has devised.

Kids are not passively sitting in classrooms all day.

Yes, if something goes wrong out there, that school had better be wide open for the kids to reach safety. Why do you want to trap them?

But, no, let's spend billions of dollars to harden 87,000 elementary schools, so that everyone can have their precious guns, and some dope with a dumb idea can get rich.

Diamond_Dog

(31,909 posts)
26. Those kids don't need to be outside so much!
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jun 2022

Barricade them into one bullet proof windowless room all day long! Who needs fresh air and exercise! Saves money on gym and playground equipment, too! We can’t infringe on anyone’s 2nd amendment rights!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
27. I know, right?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jun 2022

Machine gun turrets on the monkey bars and 20 foot tall walls around every playground and ball field.

The stupid does not end with the 'sanctity of guns' defenders.

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
32. Should soccer fields and playgrounds be open and unlocked?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jun 2022

Churches? Birthday parties? Funerals?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
34. Have you ever seen a playground or soccer field inside a cramped room?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jun 2022

One of the reasons that these school massacres have so many victims is because there are many potential victims inside a very small space.

Look at the 2017 shooting of the Republicans playing baseball outdoors and spread out. Only 6 were shot (2 critically injured) and none died.

If we can save some lives by taking the relatively trivial step of securing the doors to classrooms, why in earth would we not do that?

Would it be better to raise the age to purchase semi-automatic rifles and handguns to 25? Of course. But that’s a fantasy in the current political environment.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
36. Bold prediction
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jun 2022

We’re not going to spend a billion dollars to put Kevlar bookcases in 87,000 elementary schools.

These idiotic schemes are a rhetorical distraction from what we need to do.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
38. Idiotic schemes like locking the door to a classroom with a crossbar?
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jun 2022

I don’t think employing a simple, easy, cheap, and effective method to reducing the number of children murdered is an “idiotic scheme” as you put it.

You claim that talking about securing classrooms is a “distraction from what we need to do” without saying what you think it is we need to do.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
50. Yeah I am not following some of this either.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jun 2022

As a parent of a 9th and 4th grader O am mot against simple effective means to provide safety should it be needed. I think people also forget that even with the needed gun legislation there will still be what like 300 million guns put there? Pass legislation but getting all of those guns off the street is a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG road.

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
43. A fair answer, although schools are no more crowded than many outdoor concerts
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 02:41 PM
Jun 2022

But it’s a fair answer.
I personally feel that the psychological environment in the US is tragically prison-like already.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
14. The best part about the magic bookcases
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

Is that they are designed to only be bulletproof when children are using them, and they won't provide protection for the shooter against someone coming in to neutralize the shooter.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
15. I foujd this source for book weights
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022
A standard foot or 12 inches of average-sized books weighs about 20 pounds. Consequently, a 3-foot shelf of the same book sizes would hold 60 pounds.
https://chilkibopublishing.com/the-average-weight-of-a-book/


So with a six foot tall bookcase (six feet would be shorter than a doorway) three feet wide with shelves about 9" tall, 1" thickness for each shelf plus the height of caster and the structure to support the weight on casters, the bookcase would have about 6 shelves, each could hold about 60 pounds of books for an added weight of 380 pounds.

That makes a total weight of close to 900 pounds, a little less than my estimate above of a thousand pounds.

I still believe overcoming the inertia of that weight to move the bookcase into position quickly is not practical for the average elementary school teacher and a class of kids. Unless the teacher is John Kimble in Kindergarten Cop, that is.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
37. So if this bullet proof bookcase on wheels
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jun 2022

is so easy to move that 7 year olds can easily do it, don't you suppose the shooter, general a full-grown male, would find it even easier to move?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
40. No, you don't understand
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:48 PM
Jun 2022

The bookcase knows who is trying to move it. So when the shooter tries to move it, it becomes immovable.
 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
48. I think it locks into place in front of the door.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 03:18 PM
Jun 2022

a simple slide lock would be all that is needed to lock it into place.

I don’t want these things to undermine gun regulations but I have no problem creating solutions that don’t dress our schools up like army bases either.

Phoenix61

(16,993 posts)
6. Just no words. I've been in Bali since the middle of May.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:34 AM
Jun 2022

I’ve met people from all over the world and every single one thinks our gun laws are insane. They just don’t understand why we keep letting people get slaughtered. All I can tell them is I don’t either.

33taw

(2,436 posts)
11. Can we test it at Brett Kavanaugh's house first? Easier than legislation.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jun 2022

And, haven’t all books been banned? What would they hold? Oh, they would be empty.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
18. Everything needs to be bulletproof
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jun 2022

We'll be moving around in mobile bulletproof pill boxes. A bit cumbersome but at least you get home for dinner.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
28. I say use all means to secure our schools until it is no longer necessary.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jun 2022

There are R's who sincerely want the children to be safe and come up with these ideas.

FINE. If it saves one child from an active shooter, it will be worth it.

BUT we STILL need to get Mega Magazines banned at the very least and assault weapons if we can or at least age 21.


SO if we say, FINE, you do that and meanwhile we will also try to make sure these shooters can't get the kind of weapons that go through kevlar in about 5 rounds.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
60. Totally.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 09:52 AM
Jun 2022

But if we accept their solutions as PART of the overall problem resolution, then it is THIS AND THAT vs THIS or THAT.

At the moment until we get the sane and rational gun laws, and do all that entails to get assault weapons off the streets, we add these layers of protections for the kids.

SYFROYH

(34,162 posts)
35. Why? For reasons I don't fully understand, some Americans have taken to school mass shootings
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:10 PM
Jun 2022


And mass shootings in other contexts.

We've had the capability of mass shootings for a long time, but it's become a thing for some to do.

I know for many, the why is unimportant and they wish to restrict the means to accomplish a school mass shooting.

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
42. Until someone can figure out how to tove the guns, it may be necessary
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 01:00 PM
Jun 2022

The fact that mass shootings seem routine now shows no one has been able to figure out and implement a solution

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
46. I actually applaud these ideas.
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 03:12 PM
Jun 2022

However, they are mot replacements for solid gun laws. The reality is that we are living in a time where the GOP will not allow us to protect our spaces by eliminating the threat of guns. Until that happens I want less people dying. Especially children. But it cannot be in lieu of gun legislation.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
56. I don't. They are a sign of deep societal sickness.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:10 AM
Jun 2022

"Hi mom. I'm calling from inside the bookcase. Don't worry, I'm fine. The shooter will get the other kids that didn't make it but not me!"

SICK.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
64. 1 live schoolchild is worth 1 million "deep societal sickness" whines.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jun 2022

Don't like that? Talk to Wayne LaPierre and Ted Cruz.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
66. I can understand that line of thinking.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 09:07 PM
Jun 2022

But

“Hi mom I didn’t have anyway to protect myself because we were waiting on gun legislation for 40 years. We are all dead…..

The argument against these measures seems to be that more kids need to die in order for pressure for gun legislation to pass. I am not ok with that at all.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
58. Why?
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 06:26 AM
Jun 2022

All they’re doing, really, is justifying and normalizing the gun epidemic in this country. It’s like admitting the problem can’t be solved, so here are ways we can live with it.

Sorry, but that’s just unacceptable to me.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
65. I chew gum and walk at the same time
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 09:04 PM
Jun 2022

Frequently.

It is a fact that any gun legislation that we pass likely will not solve these issues immediately. That isn’t to say we shouldn’t pass them. We absolutely should. Hell I would like to have most access to lost guns removed. But none of that is likely to happen very soon. I am not willing to let safety measures slip by waiting for that legislation to happen.

Response to Jilly_in_VA (Original post)

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
57. More Rube Goldberg bullshit.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 06:23 AM
Jun 2022

Instead of doing the most obvious — and easiest — thing.

What’s next — digging bunkers with trap doors beneath classrooms?

Just regulate the fucking firepower.

sl8

(13,666 posts)
59. Company's video:
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 06:43 AM
Jun 2022


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