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Of course, yet another great read from EmptyWheel.net. It's another deep dive that goes into detail with cites all over the place. These are facts... Not guesses and not made up non-sense... Facts. I'll put in some excerpts (though we are limited) but really, go read everything. Get the feel for what DOJ is building to prove things in court. It is not something done overnight... Not in six months... Not in a year. Uncovering facts takes time so... Grab a drink, settle in and take a look:
THE JANUARY 6 MILITIA WITNESSES ARE COOPERATING WITH DOJ, PROBABLY NOT THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE
Liz Cheney made a comment in Thursdays public hearing that has attracted some attention. As part of her explanation that the January 6 investigation is ongoing, she said,
As we present these initial findings, keep two points in mind. First, our investigation is still ongoing. So what we make public here will not be the complete set of information we will ultimately disclose. And second, the Department of Justice is currently working with cooperating witnesses and has disclosed to date only some of the information it has identified from encrypted communications and other sources.
--snip--
The schedule of upcoming January 6 hearings explains one reason why Cheney referenced the ongoing investigation when citing DOJs cooperating witnesses:
June 13: The Big Lie
June 15: Decapitate DOJ
June 16: Pressuring Pence
June 21: Pressuring the States
Hearing 6: Trump Assembles a Mob and Sics it on Congress
Hearing 7: Trump Does Nothing as Capitol Is Attacked
--snip--
KNOWN COOPERATING WITNESSES
Oath Keepers
Proud Boys
Others
Misdemeanor cooperators
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/11/the-january-6-militia-witnesses-are-cooperating-with-doj-probably-not-the-committee/
That last snippet is section titles... Details are at the link. Who are they and how they are helping. It's good stuff that is full of facts and cites to fill you in on what is going on. As is often the case... It's a lot, especially when you get into the cites... But it is very much worth it.
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)Turbineguy
(37,325 posts)And Nixon was a way better president than trump.
dajoki
(10,678 posts)at emptywheel and then logged in here. I've been reading her reporting for a long time and Marcy is one of the best there is.
Kid Berwyn
(14,904 posts)
Close to every other filing in the January 6 case that mentions the announcement of these plans actually cites what was taken as the formal announcement: Trumps tweet, in response to which hundreds if not thousands of rioters began to make plans to come to DC.
Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud more than sufficient to swing victory to Trump https://t.co/D8KrMHnFdK . A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!
The import of that December 19 tweet was clear even in real time; the NYT and WaPo recently returned to the central role it plays in a great number of January 6 cases.
Continues
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/11/the-january-6-militia-witnesses-are-cooperating-with-doj-probably-not-the-committee/
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)If you REALLY need a good laugh and want a keen 'background' of information of why Navarro is such an 'interesting' character in the on-going investigations - just go read the cited article about his 'election fraud' report ( https://t.co/D8KrMHnFdK ).
The scary thing is that this guy was actually working in OUR government - and IN THE OVAL OFFICE of the 'Leader of the Free World!'
Hey, like IQ45 always said, "Only the Best!"
Samrob
(4,298 posts)erronis
(15,241 posts)Why haven't the big news outlets been able to at least bolster these efforts?
Hey, WaPo
Hey, NYT
Do you still have investigative reporters or are you just relaying what your "inside" contacts are telling you?
Big shout outs to ProPublica, Bellingcat, Digsby and many other sites that report real-time news!
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)Because both the NYT and WaPo are pay-walled, the average DUer missed their ginoorous exposes that were including video and all sorts of things. Literally a multimedia jam-packed narrative of the incident, with timelines and connections between who knows how many people.
Wheeler's site is obviously not pay-walled so is easier to get to.
WaPo's comprehensive thing was here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/jan-6-insurrection-capitol/
And as an example of "investigative", NYT revealed the cell tracking eventually used to nail people a month after the insurrection attempt - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/capitol-attack-cellphone-data.html
And they later created and released a documentary - https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html
And remember the McCarthy lies were exposed by the NYT's reveal of audio of what he really "said" just after the insurrection, e.g., - https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-times-reporters-alexander-burns-and-jonathan-martin-say-they-have-a-lot-more-kevin-mccarthy-audio
Some of this was posted on DU by when it became available. I'm mostly a LBNer and posted some then like -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142659892
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142663009
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142668847
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142670860
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142672424
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214952078
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142680902
and on and on...
erronis
(15,241 posts)I don't see the in-depth reporting that emptywheel does every single day.
Add in Heather Cox Richardson for the historical perspective. (Also not pay-walled.)
Still think that the larger news outlets are not providing the services that my, and many other, subscriptions should be doing.
The Guardian is frequently a leader in also non-pay-walled news. dw.com is great also. NPR and many others.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)a whole different animal in the vein of the Bill Moyers, long-form investigations and telling a story school... And emptywheel is basically a professional blog site by a journalist who focuses on certain subjects.
And I only mentioned this because despite ilk like Haberman and Dowd among others, WaPo and the NYT have some deep pockets and have broken quite a bit of exclusives that made it to broadcast, including surrounding J6. Those two media outlets are also "local" newspapers for the residents of their cities, so they were never designed to be homogeneously politically-focused.
And as a note, aside from the ones you mention, I sub to The Atlantic and Mother Jones - the latter following David Corn (and to my own local paper the Philly Inquirer), and have been recently getting stuff from sites that do do some free articles like Reuters (and with many of those limited-paywall sites, you can clear their cookies from your machine and reset the counter). I also try to hit AP (where their stringers literally blast articles out everywhere before AP actually publishes the article directly on their own website).
erronis
(15,241 posts)June 11, 2022 at 12:45 pm
For anyone wondering why Chuck Todd and a lot of the DC press corps is still struggling to cover this correctly, this is a good indication:
Link to tweet
The former press aide for the late Rep. Don Young got an invitation for Young to appear on NBC Now on Friday.
The reality is that on NBC its easier for a dead Republican to get on TV than a live Democrat.
I have no doubt if any responsibility is taken by NBC it will be dumped on a low level booker. But this is a sign of systemic problems all over massive overspending for on-air hacks combined with endless starving of research staffs, and top-down bias in favor of conservatives that gets baked into every daily decision.
There is an idiotic top line goal of striving to address the absolutely latest news, which is completely undercut by the incapacity of their staff and guests to talk intelligently about any of it.
Which puts them at the mercy of talking points spewed by pitbulls. They have had over a year to get ready for this, but since they are scrambling at the last minute every single day, they never bothered.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)and continue to say that if wealthy Democrats (and they exist) can't get together to buy/create their own outlet and be willing to operate it at a LOSS for a number of years but consider it a "donation to the cause" (and no, not an "Air America" clone and MSNBC, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NBC-Universal whose parent is Comcast, isn't such an entity), then we will continue to be marginalized.
I.e., we don't control who gets "invited" to give their viewpoints unless we hold the purse-strings.
Hekate
(90,681 posts)They dont get enough credit here for the job they do in these days. Because of the paywalls, I take full advantage of the no paywall links from certain DUers and the occasional free article from WaPo and NYT.
I recommend that.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)I know when I post LBN with those sources, and if they are huge articles, I try to get as much of it in as an excerpt as I can w/o bumping into the copyright TOS. I know some like WaPo can be hit or miss getting the non-paywall versions from "archive.org" although often msn.com's news portal will reference those articles with enough of the content to get the gist.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And of course for your posts and extremely valuable links.
Interpretive commentary is not investigative journalism. Interpretation and re-reporting of factual information almost never precede the development and making available of the facts.
Stuart G
(38,422 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Ty for posting
K&r
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Thanks for posting this.
housecat
(3,121 posts)calimary
(81,261 posts)The dates, and slug lines! Good stuff.
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,844 posts)I do feel that republicans had set things in motion to skew the election for TFG. Informing him that 'the fix' is in and he will be able to claim a mandate by receiving the most votes ever in a presidential election. What they didn't count on was the will of decent American citizens (which the vast majority are) that wanted nothing to do with another presidential term for TFG. They (myself and I'm quite sure all of you here) risked the ongoing Covid-19 dangers and flocked to the polls in record numbers. Republicans thought that Democratic and independent voters wouldn't take the risk and they would roll to victory. We proved their strategy wrong and I'll never believe TFG actually received 74 million votes.
As for other wonderings, just what is it that the proud boys are actually proud of? Breaking stuff? Being rude?
The Oath (Oaf) Keepers? WTF are they really about? Oath to what or whom?
There are others, too but, it seems to me they only want to destroy and tear down. None of them has ever stated what they plan for the aftermath. Which proves to me (well, from my perspective, of course) that they only exist to perpetrate chaos and fear. When republicans complain about some liberal group stirring up trouble and they're all funded by George Soros, they are projecting. Who pays for the proud boys and the oath (once again, oaf) keepers? Maybe those people are the ones that need to testify.
erronis
(15,241 posts)They don't believe their lies. They only want the reactions.
Something about propaganda and psy-ops, I think.
Novara
(5,842 posts)I am really hoping that someone at the DOJ and the J6 committee are doing this.
Someone paid for busloads of seditionists to come from all around the country - who? Someone is funding the Shameful Boys and Oaf Keepers - who?
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)One of the jackasses who did so is running for Governor here in PA - Doug Mastriano.
Novara
(5,842 posts)It's a travesty we don't have a domestic terrorism statute on the books because he and others could be charged with funding terrorism.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)but he was one who was documented to have done so and is at the moment, not only under investigation by the J6 Committee, but has so far been the most high-profile one who did such, and is currently running as the GOP nominee for Governor here in PA.
And agree (and I have posted this before), one of the "excuses" given about even charging for "domestic terrorism" is that most of the current laws on the books post-9/11 were directed at "foreign terrorists" and not "domestic terrorists". That forced the limitation to charging them for other ancillary crimes when they committed their violent acts, which is the same old bullshit that allowed the KKK to continue to exist, and terrorize certain demographics (who were rarely considered "people" themselves) in this country for over a century.
Novara
(5,842 posts)Doesn't even look like the Democrats even want to try.
Granted, there are a lot of other things with high priority, but I should think domestic terrorism would be right up there on that list. Get republicans on the record opposing laws to prevent domestic terrorism. Would make good campaign ads.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)And as it is, it took the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of a federal building to actually begin to get through to a handful of them to actually see that no, "terrorism" isn't just a foreign thing. But that acknowledgement was about as far as they were willing to go.
And as a federal employee here in Philly at that time, that event 1,400 miles from here, completely upended the fed employees' world, as my federal building alone completely changed its whole security posture, and even essentially tried to "hide" being a federal building at all. Big fisheye cameras were installed, exits were permanently closed, magnetometers were put in place, and the first swipe card IDs were implemented for that location, among many other things. After 9/11, all of that got updated and more.
McVeigh (and his co-criminals) was textbook example of a "domestic terrorist" as were people like Ted Kaczynsky, but that was not enough to codify it because there would always be the cherry-picking excuses of being a "lone wolf" incident and/or "there's no 'manifesto'", and if was more than one and even with them espousing an intent through writings/manifestos, then it was "it's not an organization", and if was a group/organization, then it was "well First Amendment right", and other nonsense. And then they would deflect and go down the rabbit hole of "mentally ill" not considering that foreign "terrorists" where "terrorist" is codified for them, are ALSO "mentally ill" - in fact ANYONE killing people like that would be.
Sometimes Congress can slide stuff like this on other "must pass" legislation and that might have to be the way to do it.
Novara
(5,842 posts)How many "lone wolves" make a pack?
And hey, Al Qaeda suicide bombers are lone wolves too. Just like domestic terrorists, they are part of a larger ideology.
You have more hope than I have. If any R even sniffs anything remotely connected to holding domestic terrorists accountable in any way in any piece of legislation, they will vote against it because they know that republicans are the vast majority of domestic terrorists.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)Novara
(5,842 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)A number of these groups along with ones like the "3%ers" came about after Obama was elected.
They were the result of white supremacist head-explosions.
Novara
(5,842 posts)But I had no idea the backlash would be this severe.
BumRushDaShow
(128,959 posts)How it would manifest was the question mark but you saw the beginnings of it in 2010 in Congress with the teabagger loons and it went further downhill from there.
Their whole world was completely upended... more so than what happened during Reconstruction.
erronis
(15,241 posts)She has exposed the roots and finances of the players behind trying to overthrow democracy.
RW idealists, opportunists (politicians and lobbyists), evangelicals, and lots of money (libertarians).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Nelson