When the Electoral Vote was halted?

[kentuck]

The time was just after 1 pm on January 6th.

Who was on the House floor speaking?

As I recall, they had taken the votes for Alabama and Alaska without any challenge. And they were getting ready to announce the electoral votes of Arizona and Paul Gosar was challenging the vote? He had to get a US Senator to second his motion and Ted Cruz stood up.

It was then that they began to remove members from the House floor. The insurrectionists had breached the Capitol and were on their way in.

What other details do you recall from that moment on the floor of the House?

In hindsight, it seems like it was coordinated with the actions of Cruz and Gosar? Were they communicating with the Proud Boys at that very moment? How many Congressmen and Congresswomen were colluding with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers? Was it only the ones asking for a pardon?

Last night, it was reported that the insurrectionists were looking to retrieve the boxes containing the electoral votes. It was part of their plan. Which, no doubt, was part of the other plan with the alternate electors. Were they going to switch votes? What were they going to do with the boxes of electoral votes?

It was 15 hours later, in the early morning of January 7th, that the vote was continued.

The more we learn about what happened, the more shocking it is.

(This is the way I remember it. Others may recall it differently.)

[FarPoint]

1. You bring up excellent points of concern....

I must say this was entirely so overwhelming at the time....Now, I would like to go back and screen the videos of Congress in session for the hand-off....look for details....make connections....

Great idea for me to do some researching....Plus, I would hope connections get made at the hearings...I do realize they need to not overwhelm the viewers with details at the hearing but this is a smoking gun kind of connecting the dots...

[Novara]

2. I don't think they could have timed it so specifically to ...

... when someone specific was speaking on the floor. But I do believe they timed it to coincide with the vote counting, period. They had to fight Capitol police and breach the un-reinforced windows and doors and likely couldn't have timed it that closely. However, it takes time to count each state so they had a pretty good window. That they managed to time it to the BEGINNING of the count is pretty telling.

We may owe our democracy to those quick thinking clerks who grabbed the ballot boxes once the violence started.

Thank you again, whoever you are!

[Delphinus]

4. Yes!

You are not the first one to point out that the quick-thinking clerks really saved the day. If they hadn't taken the ballots with them, after hearing the first night of the Jan. 6 hearings, it may have been a whole different ballgame.

[Novara]

5. We came THAT CLOSE

Scares me when I think about it.

[sop]

3. In hindsight it was a carefully orchestrated plan, executed to prevent the vote count.

At the time I recall thinking the 1/6 Capitol attack was Trump's version of the Reichstag Fire. Hitler blamed the communists, Trump blamed Antifa and BLM agitators. Like Hitler, Trump hoped to use the attack as a pretext to issue his own Decrees: stop the vote count, declare martial law, suspend civil liberties, substitute his own electors for the real ones and declare himself president for another four years.

[kentuck]

6. Indeed.

It does seem that way.

[onenote]

7. Your timeline is off.

At 1:12 Gosar objects to accepting the Arizona results and Cruz seconds and minutes later, the Senators leave the House chamber and head to the Senate so that the two bodies can conduct their separate deliberations.

The Capitol is not breached until an hour later (after 2 pm) and in the minutes that follow, Pence is removed from the Senate chamber, the order is given to lock down the Capitol and the Senate and House chambers are evacuated.

[kentuck]

8. Thanks for the correction.

I knew my memory was faint on the details of that.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Well, DOJ has the devices of numerous insurrectionists

Including the leaders of the OK’s and PB’s, and, so far, there has been no mention of communication with legislators inside the Capitol during the riot.

Thousands of text messages, What’s App transcripts, and messages on Telegram have been released, and included in statements of offence in the indictments- no mention of contact with any legislators during the actual breach of the Capitol.

We know Loudermilk gave a tour, others may have as well.

Boebert tweeted the location of Pelosi.

But there is no evidence to support the hypothesis that the timing of the suspension of the counting of the electoral votes was micromanaged by communications between insurrectionists and legislators. If the DOJ had evidence related to that theory, they would have to release it as part of discovery, or risk mistrials in the cases against the insurrectionists.

The real links worth exploring are the connection between the leaders of the OK’s and PB’s with Roger Stone, Alex Jones, and Ali Alexander, who most likely had contact with Trump’s inner circle (Giuliani, Meadows, etc) and possibly Trump himself, but again, not during the riot itself. It is known that PB’s had face to face contact with Stone on 1/5, and Jones and Alexander on 1/6.

What we don’t know yet (because Stone, Jones and Alexander haven’t been indicted, and their testimony to the committee hasn’t been revealed) is what communications did Stone, Jones and Alexander have with the Trump campaign/administration prior to 1/6?

The hearings may provide the answer to that question.

[Wounded Bear]

10. We already knew that some Reps were texting with the insurrectionists...

so it is not unconceivable that they were texting progress reports from the floor of the chamber, though I believe that is against the rules. Rules? What rules?