Can and should U-Haul ban the driver who rented the

[Baitball Blogger]

Truck that transported the Patriot Front group?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Businesses can refuse service for all sorts of reasons.

[Baitball Blogger]

2. Is it going to require public pressure to help UHaul grow

A conscience?

We might find out that some of these companies that they gravitate to share there perspective?

[brooklynite]

3. How would you propose UHaul ascertain the planned use of a vehicle?

[Baitball Blogger]

8. That is not what I proposed.

I said they should ban the person who drove that u-haul.

[Sympthsical]

7. Has something happened that UHaul is a target?

Something said or some detail emerged that makes it seem they're somehow culpable in any way beyond the fact they rented the truck to someone?

Timothy McVeigh used a Ryder truck in the Oklahoma City bombing.

I'm not sure how the company is supposed to know upfront whether or not their vehicles are about to be used in criminality.

As for future bans, I imagine if you commit a crime with one of their vehicles, you make your way onto that list.

Why would you ask if UHaul shares white supremacist beliefs?

Just seems like a completely random target for any kind of energy or ire. It'd be like asking Nike where they stand on bank robberies if I robbed one while wearing their shoes. "Well, they helped him run faster."

[Baitball Blogger]

9. I'm not sure why everyone seems to mischaracterize my statement.

They now know that their U-Haul was used to transport a militia with the intent to start a riot. So ban the person who drove the truck.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Thank you for that info!

I know after 9/11 the FBI was contacting lots of business people to train them to keep their eyes open. My pesticide guy told me. They have the opportunity to walk around a person’s house and go inside, so they’re train to look for trouble.

[Mr.Bill]

24. Does it say anywhere in the rental agreement

that the truck is not to be used to transport passengers in the cargo area? Is that even legal in all states? Besides no seat belts or even seats, is there any proper ventalation the the cargo box?

[Mr.Bill]

29. But couldn't they ban the renter after what the police found in the cargo area of that truck?

[Mr.Bill]

31. Thanks for the info. n/t

[Sympthsical]

16. I imagine they would?

I guess it's just that your tone towards them was kind of adversarial and accusatory. So I was wondering if I missed some aspect of the case somewhere. Like they'd made some statement somewhere.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. My tone is too strong for you?

Considering all the things I could have said, it’s curious. Just saying, of all places where a woman’s “tone” shouldn’t be an issue for the reader, it would be on a progressive site. My words were quite clear, I felt.

[Sympthsical]

21. Ah, the inevitable resort.

One sec. Need to retrieve my eyes. They've meandered off somewhere while reading.

Ok, there.

Let's examine your words.

"Is it going to require public pressure to help UHaul grow a conscience?"

This implies they do not have one in some way. This led me (and apparently others) to ask if they had done or said something to indicate that they do not have a conscience. I was genuinely curious if I had missed something based on your statement. You follow it up with:

"We might find out that some of these companies that they gravitate to share there perspective."

This heavily intimates that UHaul might be sympathetic to white supremacists and we need to find out if this is the case. It again begs the question: Did UHaul do or say something that would lead someone to think that might be the case?

Ownership of words is an admirable thing. There is nothing about tone policing (and absolutely zero about being a woman) involved here. It is a simple engagement on what you yourself are intimating with what and how you choose to approach the topic of UHaul.

Attempt to diminish, escape, or mitigate those words by heavily implying sexism or privilege is at work because you didn't like your opinion being questioned is a refuge and resort I do not abide by nor recognize.

It's a limp thing that is a tactic to evade responsibility for statements and cast unwarranted aspersions.

Not a good look or reflection. Sexism and privilege are too serious topics to be thrown about so cheaply for so small a thing for the function of face saving and deflection.

Especially over UHaul of all things.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. There was another option.

Apathy. This is the biggest obstacle we have in this country. People don’t think it’s their fight, so they don’t get involved. In these cases public pressure is helpful.

[Baitball Blogger]

32. Btw, take responsibility for omitting the question mark in the quote

You posted. “We might find that some of the companies that they gravitate to share there perspective.” There was a question mark at the end of that statement that you intentionally omitted in order to maximize your position. And that question mark changes everything. That’s pretty oily of you.

Btw, there are companies out there that strongly support conservative causes. Do they go as far as supporting White Supremacists? Would we be surprised if we discovered a few that were committed to the cause?

[hardluck]

19. You implied U-Haul had white nationalist leanings

When you stated “Is it going to require public pressure to help UHaul grow
A conscience? We might find out that some of these companies that they gravitate to share there perspective?”

That’s why your getting pushback.

Do you have any evidence that U-Haul “share[s] there [sic] perspective?” You’re aware that the owner of U-Haul, Joe Shoen, is married to an African-American, right?

[Baitball Blogger]

22. Everything I wrote is in inquiry form.

No accusations made.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. I mean...if that's your most pressing concern, knock yourself out.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Gee. Thanks.

[3Hotdogs]

4. NO ! Da fuks wrong with you? Didn't you read, the driver said

he didn't know anybody was in the body of the truck.

[Eugene]

5. In principle, yes. I don't see a practical way to enforce it.

U-Haul has a do not rent list, but do they use it for anything other than non return of vehicles?

Anyhow, just find another boob with a clean and valid driver's license, and they're good to go.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Unless the banning becomes policy and the boob

Knows what he’s getting into.

[doc03]

6. How would U-Haul know if someone is renting a van

he is going around the block and loading up 30 Nazis?
We can't keep people from buying guns how are we to stop someone from renting a van. It far more difficult to rent a van than buy a AR15 at least you have to be 21.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Dear lord.

They know after the fact. So enforce the ban when the info comes to light. It will set an example.

[alphafemale]

17. I think not being able to rent a U-Haul will be a lesser worry over his remaining decades

Hopefully his credit rating will be destroyed to the point where he is in a weekly extended stay rental near an abandoned industrial park.

Where he has to pay cash up front and the hallways stink of mildew and misery.

[BlueIdaho]

20. 1. All 31 should be put on a do not rent list.

2. If the truck has been impounded by the police, the renter(s) should be charged for all days until the truck can be returned to service.

[Baitball Blogger]

23. I support your position, but I

Would be satisfied if the driver and the person who signed the contract were banned.

[BlueIdaho]

33. That is both fair and prudent. nt.

As a resident of Coeur d Alene, I acknowledge a certain lack of perspective.

[Red Mountain]

26. If I were UHaul

I'd ban anybody associated with using a U-Haul asset to break the law immediately.

What's the downside for U-Haul? Stupid lawsuits that will get tossed?

[Baitball Blogger]

28. Truly sounds like good business sense.

Show no tolerance for law breakers. Especially rioters.