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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 01:19 PM Jun 2022

Ted Cruz's Jan. 6 ties are deeper than we thought

Carnival Cruz has a long and sick relationship with Eastman. That relationship is going to be discussed in the Jan 6 Committee hearing which is why Carnival Cruz is worried. Carnival Cruz was very involved in the coup efforts and worked hard to overthrow our democratic form of government



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ted-cruz-s-ties-trump-jan-6-are-worse-we-n1293872?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

It’s widely known that Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is a shameless opportunist. But could he be even more shameless and opportunistic than we believed?

Potentially yes, according to a report from The Washington Post published this week detailing just how closely Cruz worked with then-President Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election results. Reporter Michael Kranish also revealed that Cruz has known Trump’s attorney John Eastman — who authored legal memos he hoped would be used to deny the certification of the election — for decades. That raises questions over whether Cruz coordinated directly with the White House on legal strategy designed to undermine the election......

According to the Post, Cruz and Trump began working on plans to undermine the election two days after Election Day, to the surprise of many of Cruz’s aides. Cruz spoke to Trump directly on the phone, acted as a Trump surrogate spreading 2020 disinformation on Fox News and pitched himself as a legal asset because of his experience working with George W. Bush’s campaign during the recount of the Florida vote in 2000. Among other things, Cruz agreed to represent Pennsylvania Republicans’ attempt to block certification of their state’s presidential results before the Supreme Court. (The Supreme Court didn’t end up taking the case.) And as Cruz backed a lawsuit arguing that Texas had the authority to throw out election results in several other battleground states, some of his advisers worried he was turning his back on his conservative federalist principles.

But perhaps the most shocking possibility raised by the Post’s reporting is the implication raised by Cruz and Eastman’s friendship. Cruz and Eastman met while clerking for then-U.S. Appeals Court Judge J. Michael Luttig nearly 30 years ago. Cruz’s plan calling for the Senate to delay the certification of the 2020 election results seemed to be running on a “parallel” track to Eastman’s legal memo......

The main point here is not to indict Cruz. Here we have a politician obsessed with keeping his finger on the pulse of the party, who felt that his own presidential prospects would be enriched by trying to overturn an election. More important than Cruz as a self-aggrandizer is Cruz as a signpost of the direction of the party. Cruz is a consummate follower of trends — and he's continually shown us that the Republican Party is sliding rapidly toward outright disdain for democracy.

I am looking forward to Carnival Cruz's role in the insurrection being exposed
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Ted Cruz's Jan. 6 ties are deeper than we thought (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 OP
Follow the slime trail Blue Owl Jun 2022 #1
"The main point here is not to indict Cruz"‽ why the fuck not? dem4decades Jun 2022 #2
Indeed gratuitous Jun 2022 #7
Not the role of the J6C. And thats what scares me, a little NullTuples Jun 2022 #20
I think that AG Garland and the DOJ will act Trailrider1951 Jun 2022 #25
If Eastman is indicted, proof of Cruz's coordination gets an aiding and abetting charge. ancianita Jun 2022 #24
The GOP traitor senators may get a pass. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #3
this will not play well ! towerbum Jun 2022 #8
I think McConnell may insist upon his senators remaining untouched. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #34
No surprise Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #4
iirc navarro painted him as part of the sweep. mopinko Jun 2022 #5
The main point here is not to indict Cruz. Please! Botany Jun 2022 #6
absolutely bull - shit ! no one above the law ! towerbum Jun 2022 #12
Bring me Glenn Kirschner .... accessory after the fact Botany Jun 2022 #19
you know how many people this is going to piss the hell off ! towerbum Jun 2022 #21
K&R Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #9
Hell NO! rustbeltvoice Jun 2022 #10
He wanted a place in the permanent Trump administration. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #11
"Cruz backed a lawsuit arguing that Texas had the authority to throw out election results in several MagickMuffin Jun 2022 #13
At this point, there may be very few Republicans in Congress who did not aid Trump. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #14
Every republican in the Senate Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #17
AND....... MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #26
there might be a couple of dozen senators and congresspeople directly involved in certainot Jun 2022 #15
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Jun 2022 #16
Is it possible for someone as universally disliked as Cruz to be a signpost of the direction of the Martin68 Jun 2022 #18
Communist CRUZ need's to go to the gray bar motel ! towerbum Jun 2022 #22
"Stand strong", "Don't blink"? THIS is a test, Ted! czarjak Jun 2022 #23
and d.trump llashram Jun 2022 #27
Lyin' Ted will immediately protest his name even being mentioned in a criminal context. sop Jun 2022 #28
Sen. Ted Cruz Is Getting Pretty Uncomfortable Over His Alleged Ties to the January 6 Coup Attempt LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #29
K&R UTUSN Jun 2022 #30
Whoot!!!! And for all you old "Aggies" out there.... 7wo7rees Jun 2022 #31
Put Cruz on trial for treason too! Emile Jun 2022 #32
Ted Cruz is in so deep that he cannot back out... kentuck Jun 2022 #33
I so wish this will bring him down. wryter2000 Jun 2022 #35
Ted Crud (Q TX) dajoki Jun 2022 #36
Both Ted Cruz & Proud Boy Enrique Tarrio... ultralite001 Jun 2022 #37

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Indeed
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:21 PM
Jun 2022

Is it somehow nobler or less criminal that Cruz was trying to overturn the result of the election to enhance his political prospects rather than to hand the former guy an electoral victory he hadn't earned and wasn't entitled to? I guess I don't appreciate the finer nuances of that.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
20. Not the role of the J6C. And thats what scares me, a little
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jun 2022

The January 6th Committee will expose much of its findings. But it has no legal power to initiate criminal proceedings. It's like the 9/11 committee.

If AG Garland doesn't act, and if we lose seats in November, these few days of revelations may well be the total consequence of January 6th. And let's face it, American media and the American public don't hold grudges if they can be easily distracted. And we are very easily distracted.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
25. I think that AG Garland and the DOJ will act
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:42 PM
Jun 2022

once the J6th Committee releases all of their findings. I think that this will be done to de-politicize the coming indictments, in that the indictments can then be seen as the result of the bipartisan Committee's investigations, rather than give gusto to the label "Democrat Witch-hunt". We shall see.

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
24. If Eastman is indicted, proof of Cruz's coordination gets an aiding and abetting charge.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:39 PM
Jun 2022

Maybe teh carnival cruz defense is that "helping" isn't the same as aiding and abetting.

Irish_Dem

(46,945 posts)
34. I think McConnell may insist upon his senators remaining untouched.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jun 2022

Yes it will not play out well.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,965 posts)
4. No surprise
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jun 2022

Rafaelito brings shame to America, Canada, AND Cuba! Not easy to shame every country you could possibly be associated with.

Botany

(70,500 posts)
6. The main point here is not to indict Cruz. Please!
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jun 2022

If you plan a bank robbery you can get charged with bank robbery and if somebody is killed
during that robbery you can get charged with murder too.

Cruz spoke to Trump directly on the phone, snip Cruz’s plan calling for the Senate to delay the certification of the 2020 election results seemed to be running on a “parallel” track to Eastman’s legal memo.

Botany

(70,500 posts)
19. Bring me Glenn Kirschner .... accessory after the fact
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:19 PM
Jun 2022

accessory after the fact

a person who knowingly aids someone who has committed a crime.

rustbeltvoice

(430 posts)
10. Hell NO!
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)

"deeper than we thought"

For those of us that were sentient in January of 2021, we noticed clearly that Cruz, Lee, Hawley shat their pants when the putsch failed.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
13. "Cruz backed a lawsuit arguing that Texas had the authority to throw out election results in several
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:48 PM
Jun 2022

Battleground states."



No Texas does not have such authority to overrule other states election laws.


And this Mr Haney is my senator and makes people hate my state.




Lonestarblue

(9,978 posts)
14. At this point, there may be very few Republicans in Congress who did not aid Trump.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:53 PM
Jun 2022

Anyone who agreed to help overturn the election in any way needs to be named. The Republican Party needs a good purging. Unfortunately, I doubt that would include Moscow Mitch, not that he’s honest but he didn’t exactly get along with the nitwit in the WH at the end.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
26. AND.......
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 04:06 PM
Jun 2022

the all were OK with Moscow Mitch changing his mind about "no Supreme Court Justice nomination" during an 'election year."

FUCK THEM ALL!

They were ALL complicit in the 'REPUBLIQAN PLAN' to control/overload the courts and keep IQ45 in the White House.

They had TWO chances to clean up their mess - Impeachment #1 and #2. It was not even close. THEY protected IQ45 and his un-American ways! THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF EVERY SINGLE CRIME THAT TRUMP SHOULD FACE!

TRUE justice would be for the entire Republiqan team being in a school in Texas presenting 'awards' to other 'Republiqans' for their outstanding duty to the 'Republiqan way' - and have a 'gun-nut' with multi-rounds of ammo for his AR-15 burst into the auditorium (NO school in session - NO students were harmed in this 'dream.').

((Yeah, I know - that's 'sick!' But then again, so are they!))

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. there might be a couple of dozen senators and congresspeople directly involved in
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 02:59 PM
Jun 2022

some way or another - knowing what trump was doing was illegal and helping would be enough, right?

Martin68

(22,791 posts)
18. Is it possible for someone as universally disliked as Cruz to be a signpost of the direction of the
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:14 PM
Jun 2022

Party? It seems to me he's more often an outlier than a signpost.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
27. and d.trump
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 04:20 PM
Jun 2022

even called his wife ugly. Cruz has no shame and no loyalty. But it's all just politics, right?

sop

(10,163 posts)
28. Lyin' Ted will immediately protest his name even being mentioned in a criminal context.
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 04:22 PM
Jun 2022

Ted will leap to the floor, arguing Senate Rule 19 and the House's Rules of Decorum prohibit his good name from being sullied with such accusations of conduct unworthy or unbecoming a Senator, then he'll demand his colleagues' words be taken down. For emphasis, his beard will catch fire.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,130 posts)
29. Sen. Ted Cruz Is Getting Pretty Uncomfortable Over His Alleged Ties to the January 6 Coup Attempt
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

Carnival Cruz is worried which makes me smile



https://secondnexus.com/ted-cruz-eastman-memo-republican

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is the latest GOP official and sometime Trump ally to experience scrutiny over his role in the attempted overturning of the 2020 presidential election. Per reporting by The Washington Post, the January 6 Commission wants to know what if any communications Sen. Cruz had with Trump’s attorney, John Eastman, who was the author of an infamous plan to stage a soft coup on January 6 using Vice President Pence to declare the election for Trump.

The Committee’s interest in Sen. Cruz may be heightened now that Eastman has been ordered to produce documents formerly withheld by him under claims of attorney-client privilege. Judge David Carter, who overruled those claims in large part, noted that some of the listed recipients of communications were third parties and therefore claims of privilege did not properly extend to them. Whether Sen. Cruz is among them remains unknown, but there are some clues that suggest Eastman and Cruz were in some kind of cahoots with respect to January 6 and the White House effort to undo the election.

The most obvious connection lies in the first draft of his memo, in which Eastman noted that they would need “someone” like Sen. Cruz to help them out:

“Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster).

This part of the plan thus raises a serious question: Did Eastman or anyone else in the White House speak to Sen. Cruz about moving to demand that “normal” rules, including the filibuster, apply in the debate over electoral objections? That is not the kind of thing you’d normally expect to happen on its own. Rather, it is procedurally involved and would require some discussion and coordination. But to even get to the point of asking, someone likely would have had to explain the entire plan to whichever senator they were relying on to do this......

Specifically, if Sen. Cruz knew that the lynchpin of a coup plan in which he participated involved a brazenly illegal declaration of a Trump victory by Vice President Pence in order to throw the electoral count into chaos, then he stands in the same harsh and “likely” criminal light as the former president and John Eastman.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
33. Ted Cruz is in so deep that he cannot back out...
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 07:37 AM
Jun 2022

When the traitor list is made, he is very near the top.

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