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Carnival Cruz has a long and sick relationship with Eastman. That relationship is going to be discussed in the Jan 6 Committee hearing which is why Carnival Cruz is worried. Carnival Cruz was very involved in the coup efforts and worked hard to overthrow our democratic form of government
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ted-cruz-s-ties-trump-jan-6-are-worse-we-n1293872?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
Potentially yes, according to a report from The Washington Post published this week detailing just how closely Cruz worked with then-President Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election results. Reporter Michael Kranish also revealed that Cruz has known Trumps attorney John Eastman who authored legal memos he hoped would be used to deny the certification of the election for decades. That raises questions over whether Cruz coordinated directly with the White House on legal strategy designed to undermine the election......
According to the Post, Cruz and Trump began working on plans to undermine the election two days after Election Day, to the surprise of many of Cruzs aides. Cruz spoke to Trump directly on the phone, acted as a Trump surrogate spreading 2020 disinformation on Fox News and pitched himself as a legal asset because of his experience working with George W. Bushs campaign during the recount of the Florida vote in 2000. Among other things, Cruz agreed to represent Pennsylvania Republicans attempt to block certification of their states presidential results before the Supreme Court. (The Supreme Court didnt end up taking the case.) And as Cruz backed a lawsuit arguing that Texas had the authority to throw out election results in several other battleground states, some of his advisers worried he was turning his back on his conservative federalist principles.
But perhaps the most shocking possibility raised by the Posts reporting is the implication raised by Cruz and Eastmans friendship. Cruz and Eastman met while clerking for then-U.S. Appeals Court Judge J. Michael Luttig nearly 30 years ago. Cruzs plan calling for the Senate to delay the certification of the 2020 election results seemed to be running on a parallel track to Eastmans legal memo......
The main point here is not to indict Cruz. Here we have a politician obsessed with keeping his finger on the pulse of the party, who felt that his own presidential prospects would be enriched by trying to overturn an election. More important than Cruz as a self-aggrandizer is Cruz as a signpost of the direction of the party. Cruz is a consummate follower of trends and he's continually shown us that the Republican Party is sliding rapidly toward outright disdain for democracy.
I am looking forward to Carnival Cruz's role in the insurrection being exposed
Blue Owl
(50,351 posts)dem4decades
(11,282 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Is it somehow nobler or less criminal that Cruz was trying to overturn the result of the election to enhance his political prospects rather than to hand the former guy an electoral victory he hadn't earned and wasn't entitled to? I guess I don't appreciate the finer nuances of that.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)The January 6th Committee will expose much of its findings. But it has no legal power to initiate criminal proceedings. It's like the 9/11 committee.
If AG Garland doesn't act, and if we lose seats in November, these few days of revelations may well be the total consequence of January 6th. And let's face it, American media and the American public don't hold grudges if they can be easily distracted. And we are very easily distracted.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)once the J6th Committee releases all of their findings. I think that this will be done to de-politicize the coming indictments, in that the indictments can then be seen as the result of the bipartisan Committee's investigations, rather than give gusto to the label "Democrat Witch-hunt". We shall see.
ancianita
(36,030 posts)Maybe teh carnival cruz defense is that "helping" isn't the same as aiding and abetting.
Irish_Dem
(46,945 posts)McConnell will not want to lose his majority.
towerbum
(263 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,945 posts)Yes it will not play out well.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,965 posts)Rafaelito brings shame to America, Canada, AND Cuba! Not easy to shame every country you could possibly be associated with.
mopinko
(70,086 posts)Botany
(70,500 posts)If you plan a bank robbery you can get charged with bank robbery and if somebody is killed
during that robbery you can get charged with murder too.
Cruz spoke to Trump directly on the phone, snip Cruzs plan calling for the Senate to delay the certification of the 2020 election results seemed to be running on a parallel track to Eastmans legal memo.
towerbum
(263 posts)Botany
(70,500 posts)accessory after the fact
a person who knowingly aids someone who has committed a crime.
towerbum
(263 posts)TeamProg
(6,118 posts)rustbeltvoice
(430 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2022, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)
"deeper than we thought"
For those of us that were sentient in January of 2021, we noticed clearly that Cruz, Lee, Hawley shat their pants when the putsch failed.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Secretary of Slime?
MagickMuffin
(15,936 posts)Battleground states."
No Texas does not have such authority to overrule other states election laws.
And this Mr Haney is my senator and makes people hate my state.
Lonestarblue
(9,978 posts)Anyone who agreed to help overturn the election in any way needs to be named. The Republican Party needs a good purging. Unfortunately, I doubt that would include Moscow Mitch, not that hes honest but he didnt exactly get along with the nitwit in the WH at the end.
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)voted for unqualified judges during the Trump administration.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)the all were OK with Moscow Mitch changing his mind about "no Supreme Court Justice nomination" during an 'election year."
FUCK THEM ALL!
They were ALL complicit in the 'REPUBLIQAN PLAN' to control/overload the courts and keep IQ45 in the White House.
They had TWO chances to clean up their mess - Impeachment #1 and #2. It was not even close. THEY protected IQ45 and his un-American ways! THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF EVERY SINGLE CRIME THAT TRUMP SHOULD FACE!
TRUE justice would be for the entire Republiqan team being in a school in Texas presenting 'awards' to other 'Republiqans' for their outstanding duty to the 'Republiqan way' - and have a 'gun-nut' with multi-rounds of ammo for his AR-15 burst into the auditorium (NO school in session - NO students were harmed in this 'dream.').
((Yeah, I know - that's 'sick!' But then again, so are they!))
certainot
(9,090 posts)some way or another - knowing what trump was doing was illegal and helping would be enough, right?
Upthevibe
(8,038 posts)Martin68
(22,791 posts)Party? It seems to me he's more often an outlier than a signpost.
towerbum
(263 posts)czarjak
(11,269 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)even called his wife ugly. Cruz has no shame and no loyalty. But it's all just politics, right?
sop
(10,163 posts)Ted will leap to the floor, arguing Senate Rule 19 and the House's Rules of Decorum prohibit his good name from being sullied with such accusations of conduct unworthy or unbecoming a Senator, then he'll demand his colleagues' words be taken down. For emphasis, his beard will catch fire.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)Carnival Cruz is worried which makes me smile
Link to tweet
https://secondnexus.com/ted-cruz-eastman-memo-republican
The Committees interest in Sen. Cruz may be heightened now that Eastman has been ordered to produce documents formerly withheld by him under claims of attorney-client privilege. Judge David Carter, who overruled those claims in large part, noted that some of the listed recipients of communications were third parties and therefore claims of privilege did not properly extend to them. Whether Sen. Cruz is among them remains unknown, but there are some clues that suggest Eastman and Cruz were in some kind of cahoots with respect to January 6 and the White House effort to undo the election.
The most obvious connection lies in the first draft of his memo, in which Eastman noted that they would need someone like Sen. Cruz to help them out:
Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster).
This part of the plan thus raises a serious question: Did Eastman or anyone else in the White House speak to Sen. Cruz about moving to demand that normal rules, including the filibuster, apply in the debate over electoral objections? That is not the kind of thing youd normally expect to happen on its own. Rather, it is procedurally involved and would require some discussion and coordination. But to even get to the point of asking, someone likely would have had to explain the entire plan to whichever senator they were relying on to do this......
Specifically, if Sen. Cruz knew that the lynchpin of a coup plan in which he participated involved a brazenly illegal declaration of a Trump victory by Vice President Pence in order to throw the electoral count into chaos, then he stands in the same harsh and likely criminal light as the former president and John Eastman.
UTUSN
(70,683 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Hulla ba loo and connec connec!!!!!
Ms7wo7rees
Emile
(22,695 posts)kentuck
(111,079 posts)When the traitor list is made, he is very near the top.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Harley, too
dajoki
(10,678 posts)He is a treasonous pig just like the rest of his entire criminal cult.
ultralite001
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