One of the most incredible ideas about 1/6 Insurrection:"Trump was sure that it would be successful"

[Stuart G]

Here is the main point, You don't spend a lot of time planning an event like 1/6 without believing it would be successful.
The Trump crowd never expected or saw the possibility of failure. Failure is what is going on now. Hearings, people
going to prison, possible high level Trumpers going to prison, people killed, national investigations, video of events,
and so on. Those that planned this thought they would be "successful." Trump was watching on TV, because he
thought everything would turn out in his favor. He expected Pence to go along with the deal. Everything would
be fine when over. Trump would stay in office indefinitely. Of course, he was delusional, but that is at the heart
of the entire story. If Trump knew what was going on, & if he was involved in the planning, (even some of the
planning) then he is, was totally nuts. Thinking he could pull this off, successfully, is the sign of a very deranged
person, and that he could convince others that this could be pulled off, is a sign that they, (all followers, and
going alongers). that they were deranged too.

[Walleye]

1. Megalomaniacs. Putin thought he would take Ukraine in three days too

Egomaniacs never think they are going to fail. And they’re always certain they will have somebody to blame it on it for you. Just look at Steve Bannon as a prime example

[malaise]

2. But that's the best part

Playing smart but not being clever - the quintessential fucking loser.
I bet he lies in his gold-plated bed every night wondering how he failed. He’s that fucking crazy. His pain gives me immense pleasure.

[Chainfire]

3. I think that he is so wonky that he doesn't believe that he has failed yet!

Just a temporary setback. What is even crazier, is that he may be right!

[malaise]

4. He will never succeed

He loses at everything

[Chainfire]

7. I beg to differ. He only fails and anything productive. He succeeded greatly

in dividing the country and stirring up old hatreds.

[Walleye]

11. "There is no success like failure, and failure is no success at all"

[towerbum]

19. look at the damn family this pos has got !

[ProfessorGAC]

5. I Have No Doubt About It (nt)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

6. TFG did not care if this was successful

This insurrection was his only means to stay in power

[meadowlander]

9. And it was there to validate his ego.

He wanted people to demonstrate they love him by "fighting" for him. The more extreme the fight, the stronger the demonstration of love.

[MuseRider]

13. That is the sickest part of all.

I am absolutely sure that is most of it right there.

[Mr.Bill]

12. The fact is if they had burned the Capitol building to the ground and

killed every member of Congress, Trump's term as president would still have expired at noon on January 20th. There is no legal mechanism to extend that term.

[Turbineguy]

8. Trump is a fuck-up.

[czarjak]

10. Lying Donald overestimated his self-proclaimed great Christian self. Bigly!

[llashram]

14. d.trump is

a narcissistic megalomaniac...and he will go down

[louis-t]

15. I believed that from the beginning.

No one asked for pardons before January 6 because they never believed it would fail.
No one who was at the Capitol skipped town until they realized it had failed.
No one tried to blame 'antifa' until they realized it had failed.
No Congress person tried to deny involvement until it failed.

They. Took. Video. Of. Themselves. Committing. Felonies.

[erronis]

17. Pretty good assessment of their failures. Thanks.

And as you said, they wanted photo-ops of their involvement in the coup.

All that Koch/Mercer/Murdoch/Thiel/DeVos and deplorable donations can't fix STUPID.

[towerbum]

20. nail , meet hammer!

[mercuryblues]

30. Because they believed it would be a success

They were very open about it. Posting videos live online, bragging on social media, and telling anyone who would listen about their participation.

They thought they would get parades and medals. Instead, they are getting 3 hots and a cot.

[Mozeltov Cocktail]

16. I don't know a lot about cults...

But even a cursory reading of what went on at Jonestown before, during and after the Kool aid shows what a narcissist and his devoted followers are capable of.
It's unbelievable that an ignorant, preening racist like trump has this huge cult following but here we are...

[spooky3]

18. I don't think he's crazy in the legal sense. I think

He’s very aware that’s he’s committing crimes and able to control actions, but thinks nothing really bad will happen to him. He may feel he has to do these things to meet an economic obligation to Putin.

He’s a narcissist, a sociopath, and a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

[thesquanderer]

21. This kind of also explains why the Proud Boys participation was documented on film.

They thought they would succeed. They didn't want a documentarian there to film their crimes of failure, they wanted a documentarian there to film their successful role in the birth of the new order.

[towerbum]

22. little over 24 hr's we get the next dose of J-6 ! I,ll be watching !

how about you guy's ?

[erronis]

23. I'll be there also, altho I'll split attention with a business conference call.

And I expect my attention will be with the J6 hearings.

[towerbum]

25. I hope millions of people will be watching - taliban party don't like that !!

[Harker]

24. Was and is. n/t

[orleans]

31. agree. he's been grifting ever since

i've heard & read about people who have donated money to that asshole get automatic bank draws on a monthly basis because they aren't reading the email's fine print

lol to the idiots donating

yesterday i heard jr had sent out an email telling their cultists it wasn't too late to wish his dad a happy birthday & for $50 he will put their name on the top of the list! hahaha!

[Blue Owl]

26. FF45 is overhyped

Seems like they forgot the brown rule: Everything FF45 touches turns to shit...

[Warpy]

27. He wasn't deranged. I don't think his followers were, either

Everybody knew he'd lost fair and square. He's a malignant narcissist who will do anything--and I mean ANYTHING--to stay on top. They were a bunch of fools who bought into the messianic idea pushed by right wing preachers. Yeah, messianic, for that. They didn't care that he lost, Jesus wanted him so they were willing to do what they did. If they had been just a little better organized, I am convinced more people would have lost their lives that day.

As it was, once the hooting morons got in, they had no clue what to do and they seemed to get in the way of the few who did. So they pwned the libbies and took some souvenirs that got them into deep trouble later, and left.

I think most Republicans in Congress knew those hooting morons wouldn't know who was who and even some of the right wingers like McCarthy were initially frightened and angry at TFG. It passed so quickly that now I hope he takes them down with him. It did allow Congress to complete the peaceful transition of power that night, although two weeks later they were kissing TFG's, er, ring.

I'm not letting anyone off on the delusional excuse. They all knew TFG just plain LOST. They betrayed everything this country has ever been by their actions that day and they all knew what they were doing.

[erronis]

28. And the religious types weren't either - they were just scheming to win power.

A great conspiracy of RW/libertarian power and money and evangelicals and and media and political/lobbyist types - all following money and power. Nothing jesusy in there. Just words to trap the gullible.

[peggysue2]

29. I agree!

Trump is a nasty, disgusting greed head who got a taste of power, real power, and liked it. He could do anything he wanted and not be held accountable, the story of his life. The grift was fantastic, better than anything he'd known before. Why give it up?

More worrisome (to me) are the people who sold their souls for someone like Trump, someone who demands absolute loyalty but returns nada. All to be near the Squatter-in-Chief and share in the grift, the abuse of power. These were professionals who knew everything about the Administration was wrong but they went along anyway and did the man's bidding. They were willing to bring down the entire government. Though they had a moment of pause during the actual insurrection, they quickly resorted to form and lied their faces off, desperately trying to cover their tracks.

The whole despicable bunch are still lying, creating chaos and chipping away at the very foundations of the Republic.

As far as I'm concerned, they were seditionists then and they are seditionists now.

The betrayal was/is monumental. The punishment should be equal to that treachery.

[ReluctanceTango]

32. He's not deranged

People who live in tiny little bubbles detached from reality always think they and their ideas are more popular than they are.

It's the same mentality that Manson had about starting a race war with the murders of Sharon Tate and et al.

It's the same mentality that animates the loonier wing of the left who thinks that everyone in America is just dying to elect extreme lefties.

It's the same mentality that convinced the South that they would be able to kick the Union's ass in a week.

On top of the delusion bubble he occupies, TFG's malignant narcissism has him convinced that everyone loves him, and those of us who say we don't? We don't mean it. Down deep, we love him, too, we just don't want to admit it, because we're being childishly stubborn to get attention.

This is really how he "thinks."

He's so much like my evil father that it scares me.