Parents need to stop subjecting kids to these drag shows where men dress up like women...

[Nevilledog]

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Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦
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Parents need to stop subjecting kids to these drag shows where men dress up like women, play loud music, ask for money, and indoctrinate kids before they are even old enough to understand.
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10:01 AM · Jun 12, 2022

[LisaM]

1. Most Catholics I know did not like that Pope.

The current one is much more low key in his dress and more humble in his demeanor.

I don't like memes like that that don't mention this was the LAST Pope, because I bet there are plenty of people who don't know.

[Nevilledog]

2. It's really not about the Pope....

[whathehell]

15. Then why mock the vestments of catholic clergy?

This is bigotry, pure and simple.

[Nevilledog]

17. Alrighty

[whathehell]

22. That's not an answer to the question.

[Nevilledog]

26. It's about the hypocrisy.

[whathehell]

28. What "hypocrisy"?

I saw no attribution of Filipkowsi' s quote to anyone in the Catholic Church. He just pulled it out of his ass.

[Mariana]

30. That cardinal has covered up for child molesting priests.

That is Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Fuck him and his vestments.

[Vdizzle]

55. Boom... mic drop for Mariana.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

58. Ouch!

[whathehell]

60. What does that have to do with the quote?

Answer: Nothing.

Fuck unattrubuted quotes and poor writing skills.

[aka-chmeee]

77. Yeah! And shitty spelling, too! nt

[geardaddy]

90. LOL

[Tommymac]

76. The Hypocrisy of Catholic Priests raping young children then preaching morality. nt

[whathehell]

108. What part of "Catholic priests are NO more likely to molest

children than clergy of other religions, or Men in General" do you not understand?

Please read the Newsweek article in post #83

[Bernardo de La Paz]

123. Opaque churches have no accountability and systematically ENABLE the molestation

If they were accountable and didn't simply shuffle priests around, they would have higher moral standards they claim but do not actually have.

It's systematic, like systematic racism and systematic police abuse.

Just because "everybody else does it" doesn't make abuse right.



"no more likely" is not a proper standard, especially for churches.

[whathehell]

133. What the hell is an "opaque" church?

If the Catholic Church was once "opaque", it certainly isn't now. They have, rightfully, paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and I believe the lack of accountability you describe, i.e.,moving priests around ,etc, is largely in the past.
That said, I never said nor implied, that abuse of children was "okay" for ANY reason.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

136. You don't know the term, and then blithely sail forth and use it wrongly. What the hell?

Opaque means non-transparent. It does not mean they did or did not pay money settlements. Glass is not opaque. A wood box is opaque. It doesn't matter if the glass box or the wood box cost $10 or $10 million. Paying a million dollars for a wood box will not make it transparent.

The internal processes of the church were hidden behind opaque barriers because nobody outside could see them or know what was done. Nobody outside knew what happened to the priests except there were no trials and no punishment under law and no reports (still no church reports!) and no redress for victims. That was all by design so that the church could protect its reputation, or so it thought. But these things come out and now the result is worse for the church.

Transparency is the opposite of opacity.

The church processes are still largely opaque. The church is shielding some notorious priest from away that they moved to France instead of bringing him to a proper accounting in the courts.

[whathehell]

137. Lol..We both know I know what the term "opaque" means..

My direct question to you was "what the hell are opaque churches", accent on the plural, "churches".

Without answering, you go on to speak of "the church", singular, and commonly understood as the Roman Catholic Church..I suggest you try for more clarity next time.

That said, I've grown quite weary of this supposed "discussion". so I'm afraid it's "goodbye and good luck" to both you and it.

[LisaM]

33. I thought it was Pope Benedict.

However, yeah, it's easy to cherry pick bad Catholics when there are plenty of liberal Catholics like me trying to effect change.

[niyad]

43. Do you think it possible to change the rcc's patriarchal attitude toward women?

[certainot]

91. that's the centuries old secret of authoritarian power - masturbation increased through

sexual repression and associated with guilt and violence.

that's sex on the wrong brain, going back centuries and baked in. to change this we need to reduce right handed masturbation, which increases the need for certainty /avoidance of uncertainty - recognized as the main motivation for authoritarianism

the secret of authoritarian power is sexual repression and fostering frustration which increases levels of masturbation

because of anatomical and mechanical differences females in general have less sowb so could be more tolerant of uncertainty and as such be seen as threatening to authoritarians with high sowb.

“From Mass Psychology of Fascism” 1933 Wilhelm Reich

Children do not believe in God. It is when they have to learn to suppress the sexual
excitation that goes hand in hand with masturbation that the belief in God generally
becomes embedded in them. Owing to this suppression, they acquire a fear of pleasure.
Now they begin to believe in God in earnest and to develop a fear of him. On the one
hand they fear him as an omniscient and omnipotent being, and on the other hand they
invoke his protection against their own sexual excitation. All of this has the function of
avoiding masturbation. Thus, it is in early childhood that religious ideas become
embedded. However, the idea of God would not be able to bind the child’s sexual energy
if it were not also associated with the actual figures of father and mother. He who does
not honour the father is sinful. In other words, he who does not fear the father and
indulges in sexual pleasure is punished. The strict father, who denies the fulfilment of the
child’s desires, is God’s representative on earth and, in the fantasy of the child, is the
executioner of God’s will. If the respect for the father is shaken by a clear insight into his
weaknesses and human inadequacies, this does not lead to his rejection by the child. He
continues to exist in the figure of the abstract mystical conception of. God. In a
patriarchal social organization an appeal to God is really an appeal to the actual authority
of the father. When a child invokes ‘God’, he is really invoking his actual father. In the
structure of the child, sexual excitation, idea of father and idea of God constitute a unity.
In treatment we meet this unity as a palpable condition of genital muscular spasm. With
the elimination of the spastic condition in the genital musculature, the idea of God and
the fear of the father always lose ground. Hence, the genital spasm not only represents the
physiological anchoring of religious fear in the human structure, but at the same time it
also produces, the pleasure anxiety that becomes the core of every religious morality.

[whathehell]

48. Not sure, but it doesn't matter, as it's just

gratuitous bigotry in any case...The OP couldn't even link up the quote to Catholicism or any other religion.

Catholics, and Christians generally, it seems, are "easy targets" here..You'll never see them targeting Jews (anti-semitism!) or Muslims (cultural intolerance!) in the same way. It's fucked up.

[SouthernDem4ever]

56. There's plenty of bad history in the catholic church from which to choose.

Just because it has been more subtle in recent history doesn't change the fact that it happened. As far as vestments go, they are on the same level as the evangelical TV preachers wives with all the make-up. It's all for show. The church is full of bigots in their own right. The last time I was at mass, the sermon was usurped by the principle of the local catholic high school who stood at the alter and declared that if you don't send your sons to his high school they risk turning out gay. That was the last time I went. How ludicrous. As far as the anti-semitism, I don't see them voting against a party that votes for the supporters of the proud boys, machine gun culture and fascism - but I guess that's a different conversation.

[whathehell]

59. Lol..You're not very familiar with Catholicism, Lutheranism,

or the Episcopalians Church, are you?
Comparing a priest's vestments to "Evangelicals wives wearing makeup" kind of gives it away.

The clerics of MANY religions, including Protestant denominations like Lutheranism and the Episcopal Church wear vestments..They're not all Southern Baptists.

[SouthernDem4ever]

75. My point wasn't that it was just catholics but that was your current reference

They are all crazy as far as I am concerned. They are belief systems that evolved from worshipping the sun and rain into a patron god. All the rest is just fill-in beliefs which anyone could make up and legitimize by indoctrination over centuries.

[whathehell]

95. There's bad history everywhere, but, again,

you know so little about the church you didn't even know that clerical vestments, unlike "the makeup worn by Evangelical wives", have religious significance.

[SouthernDem4ever]

119. Sad isn't it? And I was brought up catholic.

Never even had to read the bible. Like I said before, centuries of additions to the belief systems. I don't think God assigned the vestment colors though.

[whathehell]

135. Sad for who?

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Not getting you, dear..However you were raised it doesn't sound like you got much of an education on the Church. You have a nice one.

[BlackSkimmer]

93. Not only that but it's linking, purposely or not, pedophilia and gay.

Not the least related. Right wing bullshit.

[paleotn]

36. Oh, please.

By the way...can I still get a free pass to heaven by killing infidels? Asking for a friend.

[whathehell]

46. Lol.."oh please" my ass

As to your " infidel" question, I believe you've somehow confused Catholicism with Islam. Try again.

[A HERETIC I AM]

54. You haven't read Luke.

19:27

“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”

[whathehell]

57. Um, that quote says nothing about "infidels",

it says "enemies", which could mean anything, especially given the lack of context, and he doesn't even express an intention to kill these enemies -- He asks God to slay them.
Sorry, but there's nothing in the New Testament that even encourages, let alone "mandates" the killing of non- believers.

A better understanding of the attitude of Jesus toward "infidels" is found in his parable of The Good Samaritan

[CrackityJones75]

78. Is there a bible study forum here?

Cuz we should move this there. This topic was a funny jab at the christian theocratic pushers legislating against drag when their own garb certainly makes them look like they have men dressed up in dresses.


And somehow a sideshow broke out.

[whathehell]

104. Lol..Fine with me, The only problem with your suggestion

is that the "christian theocratic pushers legislating against drag", if that's what they're doing, are FAR more likely to be Protestant Evangelicals than Catholic priests.

[niyad]

82. Crusades, anyone??? El Camino Reyal?? The Burning Times? Inquisition?

[whathehell]

100. Yes, but those were all a VERY long time ago, weren't they?

and certainly did NOT result in any doctrine mandating the "killing of infidels", for any reason, let alone as a "pass into heaven".

[niyad]

110. Seriously?? What, exactly, do you think was the point of the Crusades?

The witch burnings? The torture and deaths of the Indigenous?

Has the rcc ever apologized for their atrocities?

[whathehell]

118. Yes, seriously, and the "point" of the Crusades was

to "take back" the Holy lands, not to simply, and indiscriminately "kill infidels".
Were the Crusaders and their opponents all well behaved? As in most, if not all wars, likely not

[soldierant]

49. An Episcopalian priest once told me

he dressed up like Mother in order to be called "Father."

And I don't see it as mocking Catholics or any other denomination whose clergy wear vestments (more do than you probably think.) The mockery is aimed at people who think "drag shows" are just "groomng" while not seeing that vestments fit the same profile.

The only group which you can be pretty sure each member engages in grooming is pedophiles. And they are not identifiable by any external sign, be it clothing or perceived behavior. Most would probably impress you (and MAGAts) as very nice people.

[whathehell]

53. The problem is, there is no attribution to the quote about " drag shows'

though the picture implies it was made by Catholic clergy.

[CrackityJones75]

79. Yeah I am sure there are no catholics that are against drag shows.

Can we please move on?

Sorry you ate upset that someone may have offended your religion. Your religion has been offensive to me for my entire life.

[NullTuples]

61. Bigotry against...a voluntary set of beliefs? You betcha, if they promote evil.

[whathehell]

65. A "'voluntary' set of beliefs"?

What might that be?..No one "chooses" to believe something, and who knowingly "promotes evil"?

[CrackityJones75]

80. Nobody chooses to believe something?

For real?

[whathehell]

107. Do you have examples to the contrary?

For real?

[CrackityJones75]

109. I am choosing to not believe your statement.

[whathehell]

116. Lol..Such a wise choice

when you're unable to answer the question.

[CrackityJones75]

120. What do you mean I just answered your question.

How was that not an answer to your question?

[Frostlight]

63. It is bigotry earned through hypocrisy. n/t

[whathehell]

64. More than other religions?..

I doubt it, and bigotry is never "earned".

[CrackityJones75]

81. How about all or most religions?

[whathehell]

103. Then how about INDICATING "all or most" religions

instead of targeting only one?

[CrackityJones75]

126. Because they wear dresses and that was the point of the op?

[whathehell]

128. Lol..Ignorant much?

Catholic vestments are as much "dresses" as Jewish yarmulkes are "beanies".

[CrackityJones75]

129. Call them what you want.... Dresses, gowns, vestements

Who cares? It's a bunch of people parading around in a get up trying to convince everyone else they got it all figured out. Pass the collection plate!!!

[whathehell]

131. Lol..No, I call them what they are..

Your ignorance of the subject is negatively impacting your ability to construct an argument...I'm going to bed now. Buh bye.

[CrackityJones75]

132. I am not arguing.

I would have to care about what it is that you are saying to have an argument. I simply don't care what you want to call them. So there isn't an argument from me. If you need the win, it's all yours. Have at it. Keep your skirt (or vestment) on.

[BlackSkimmer]

92. Yep.

Never mind posting this kind of thing is just perpetuating the crap the other side likes to see.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. That's not a pope.

[Scrivener7]

13. That's not any recent pope I recognize.

[IronLionZion]

24. Google says that's a German cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Muller

not a Pope.

[Mariana]

32. He's known to have covered up for child raping priests. nt.

[Scrivener7]

37. Most Cardinals in most places have.

[SunImp]

67. Yeah, I think Pope Francis is a genuinely decent man of God

He has been progressive in his beliefs and very humble. Hopefully the next one follows in his footsteps

[niyad]

83. Let me know when he sees women as fully autonomous human beings.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

85. Calling him progressive is an insult to progressives.

He is fundamentally not very different from the last popes.

[treestar]

105. Are you sure that isn't a bishop?

It doesn't look like Benedict.

[Mariana]

113. It's Cardinal Gerhard Mueller.

He served as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition) from 2012 to 2017.

[Lars39]

3. I distincltly remember the male staff in Junior High

dressing as women for a charity benefit skit. Everybody had a blast.

[GoCubsGo]

6. My high school was one of many that had a "powderpuff" football game before homecoming.

It was junior girls vs. senior girls in a touch football game. The boys dressed up as cheerleaders, and not the male kind. It was entertaining, and the participants had the most fun.

[Lars39]

8. Had those, too.

Showing our ages, I guess. lol

[multigraincracker]

4. There is this....

[RKP5637]

11. Trump's true love!!! n/t

[dickthegrouch]

7. And then there's this...

http://romanovskyandphillips.com/flauntitlyrics.htm#homophobes

[sop]

9. Since I live under a rock, I have to ask: Are parents taking their kids to drag queen story hour?

I had to look it up: https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/

Is this really a thing in schools now, or is the right making another outrage out of a molehill?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. It's often held in public libraries or private businesses like brewpubs or restaurants.

[multigraincracker]

14. Need to remove all King James Bibles, he was gay..

https://edwardtbabinski.us/history/king-james-was-gay.html

[soldierant]

50. LOL! So he was!

But he didn't do the translating - he just appointed a commission, and paid the expenses.0 Doesn't money make everything just copacetic for MAGAts?

[RKP5637]

12. Political talking points for GOP and votes. They are running out of stuff, so they go pick on

Trans and Drags inventing problems that don't exist. DeSantis also likes picking on little kids, elementary school teachers and the mouse. The GOP is useless in a civilized society.

[keithbvadu2]

16. Get back to republican values and morality

of course

[Efilroft Sul]

18. The same folks bitching about these drag shows also watched Milton Berle and Bugs Bunny.

Both were known to dress in drag, and everybody knew it was harmless humor.

Well, everybody who isn't a conservative.

[niyad]

40. Jonathan Winters. Johnny Carson. Flip Wilson.

[Efilroft Sul]

51. Good additions, thank you!

[BidenRocks]

89. Mrs Doubtfire and Tootsie

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Jack Lemmon and Uncle Miltie and the famous Bugs Bunny.

Oh, and Bosom Buddies Tom Hanks and the late Peter Scolari.

We won't even get into Japanese Kabuki.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Churches are grooming children. . . . nt

[whathehell]

23. Bullshit...Studies show clergy are no more likely

to molest children than men in other professions.

https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16550669818695&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fpriests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625

[TomWilm]

27. Agree, and I have given that same kind of proof before here...

... though I do not carry a religion, I am a stickler for the truth. But I enjoyed the joke anyway .




My favorite drag queens!

[keithbvadu2]

39. One of these 'drag queens' was Agent Smith. Quite macho.

[TomWilm]

47. Many of the real draq queens are very macho too ...

... it is then part of their roles, that they are obviously not women.

- though her it is "just" an actor playing the role.

[Mblaze]

34. Nonetheless

Clergy have been caught grooming and molesting children many, many times. One would hope that trusted religious leaders would be less likely to abuse children than those in other professions.

[whathehell]

97. I agree,

but what does that have to do with linking up some random priest with an unattributed quote and mocking his vestments?

[Mblaze]

138. It may not be fair

But I can understand the suspicion and dismissal behind hard feelings toward clergy.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

86. Which makes them no better suited to discuss morality with the country.

One would expect them to have far less.

[whathehell]

96. Who said they were? You're missing the entire point of my posts

I was merely wondering why, given that the quote used came with NO attribution, they linked it up with the Catholic church.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

125. They say they are.

They want to control not just what their followers do but what everyone does, e.g. abortion rights. They don't have any moral high ground based on your statistic.

[whathehell]

130. So do Protestant Evangelicals..

and they're far more active politically than Catholic priests.

[RevBrotherThomas]

88. Agreed.

But the problem is the 2-pronged aspect of the Roman Catholic Church abuse scandals; the abuse itself (catastrophically horrible enough), and then members of the hierarchy knowingly covering it up & moving abusers around to molest again. This was standard operating procedure that put the good standing of the hierarchy above the good of the faithful who put their trust and the care of their children in them.

The Southern Baptists could have learned from the Roman Church's failure. But alas...

It will take decades/centuries for healing and trust to happen again. And that's a good thing. "They do it too" is a weak-ass position (tu quoque). It is GOOD that the hierarchy is finally being held to account and clericalism as a practice is losing its prominence.

[whathehell]

98. Are there ANY institution with members accused of child abuse

who have NOT tried to "cover it up"?
..Penn State?..The Boy Scouts of America? Michigan
State's Dr. Larry Nasser?

For God's sake, our own FBI IGNORED the reports of systemic abuse of underage gymnasts at Michigan State....There's a LOT of blame to go around.

[whathehell]

99. Are there ANY institutions with members accused of child abuse

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who have NOT tried to "cover it up"?
..Penn State?..The Boy Scouts of America? Michigan
State's Dr. Larry Nasser?

For God's sake, our own FBI IGNORED the reports of systemic abuse of underage gymnasts at Michigan State....There's a LOT of blame to go around.

[treestar]

114. another media frenzy

giving people false ideas.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

122. "No more likely" is not what churches pretend to aim for. Abuse is enabled by opaque churches

Churches pretend to uphold high moral standards.

Your point proves that they do not actually uphold them. They are opaque, there is no accountability, and priests and pastors are shuffled around to abuse other children.

[whathehell]

134. I understand that completely...

and I've explained myself SEVERAL times..Those who keep choosing to "misunderstand" won't be helped by any further attempts by me. With that, I'm ending this "discussion" and going to bed. Goodbye and good luck.

[rubbersole]

38. Probably more so than anywhere else.

Maybe the Ohio State wrestling team is next. The hypocrisy is the story.

[soldierant]

112. Not churches. Clergy. Even if the church later covers up, it srtill didn't do the grroming.

It's not unreasonable to evpect men (and women) sexually attracted to children will want to work in professions which put them in proximity to their target group. Churches, schools, cildren's sports franchises, and others know this and have screening in their hiring process.0 Some still slip through.

The institution certainly bear some legal liability, and that's reasonable also. But an institution can't seduce or rape except metaphorically. that must be done my an individual offender.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

121. Systematic abuse enabled by churches is just as systematic as systematic racism

Shuffling priests and pastors around enables them by giving them new victims instead of stopping them when it could be stopped (prison).

The institution holds itself to the highest standard.

More accurately, they pretend to hold high standards but are as bad as any other group and worse than most because they enable the abuse in secret with no transparency or accountability unless victims survive the psychological trauma without suicide and then sue.

That's what it takes because the abuse is systematically enabled.

[aeromanKC]

20. Jesus Camp

It reminded me of child abuse when I first saw the movie.

[Martin68]

21. LOL! Now that's a fancy mumu!

[Mblaze]

35. Truman Capote

Watched a priest waving his censor and said, “Nice dress honey but your purse is on fire”.

[IronLionZion]

25. High schools had jocks dress in drag because they thought it was funny

This was common for assemblies and parades and similar stuff back in the 90s. I always thought it was pretty dumb. But nobody was out of the closet back then. Since then some of my classmates have started living their authentic lives as gay or lesbian or probably trans.

[Walleye]

29. That's crazy, one thing kids understand is make-believe

I’ve been to drag shows, they’re a lot of fun. Entertainment. Plus pretty much G rated performances

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. K and R

[niyad]

42. What is with this sudden (to me, at least) whining about children and drag shows!

Is this actually a widespread thing? I do not recall children being present at any of the shows I attended to support friends in the Courts.

As for "drag queen story hour", I am so far behind the times that I only learned about it this weekend in a mystery I read.

As an ex-commed catholic, the dresses always amused me.

[whathehell]

52. As far as I can see, the quote completly lacks attribution

and the priest's vestments are hardly "dresses", but you know that..As to being "amused" by them, you might want to check out the religious dress of some other religions -- You'll be in stitches.

[niyad]

84. Am guessing it is a response to one of the latest vomits from boebert.

[whathehell]

102. Really?. Then why not show Boebert

instead of a Catholic priest?

[niyad]

111. Why don't you ask the OP? I simply opined that it might be related to qbert's

latest (up to that moment) drivel.

There is no denying the rcc's record of brutality, murder, coverups, etc., no matter how nice the current guy sometimes seems.

[whathehell]

115. It's called a "rhetorical question"

and I'm not "denying" anything BUT the connection between an unattributed quote about the appropriateness of "drag queens for kids" and a random catholic priest.

As to "brutal records", of institutions, yes, there's a LOT of those, many of a more secular origin and FAR more recent than the Inquisition.

[niyad]

117. I understand completely.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

87. Pretty much a very accurate restatement of what DeSantis said yesterday

The remarks from the governor who signed the controversial “Don’t Say Gay” bill into law followed a video posted to Twitter showing children attending a drag show in Texas, NBC News reported.

“We have child protective statutes on the books,” DeSantis said.

“We have laws against child endangerment. It used to be kids would be off-limits. Used to be everybody agreed with that. Now it just seems like there’s a concerted effort to be exposing kids more and more to things that are not age appropriate,” he added.

DeSantis added that a video from the show in Dallas was “totally inappropriate” and “not something children should be exposed to.”

Link

[whathehell]

101. So why not show DeSantis' picture instead of that

of a Catholic priest?..That was my only point.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

124. The point is the hypocrisy.

If one is going to be worried about gendered dress, there are other places to attack than just drag shows.

[kacekwl]

44. But it's absolutely fine to

line your children up in front of the Christmas tree armed to the teeth with assault rifles to honor jebuz for your Christmas card.

[Solly Mack]

45. K&R

[eppur_se_muova]

62. Well, it does lead to some pretty disgusting behavior ... (hurl warning)

[IngridsLittleAngel]

66. If I had kids..

Hmm... How to spend a Sunday? Church or a drag show? Well, that depends.

If you want to enlighten your kid? Take them to a drag show.
If you want to get your kid fucked? Take them to church.

[Duppers]

68. If you change that 2nd to last sentence,

To "fucked-up," I TOTALLY AGREE.

And in too many of cases, of course, that sentence totally works as is.

👍

[IngridsLittleAngel]

69. I wish I could, sadly

Sadly, church sex scandals are a thing.

That said, yes... Churches are real good at fucking people up too.

[Duppers]

70. Absolutely! No doubt.

I had a much older retired minister hold my hand too long on a road trip. I pulled away & reported him.

I've not attended any church services since then, my early 20s, except for mandatory funeral services for relatives. And I'm an old gal now.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

71. I don't blame you

I haven't stepped into a church in my life except for funerals myself. And that's definitely not going to change anytime soon.

[Duppers]

72. I'm so envious.

My religiously obsessed, Southern Baptist mother forced all 3 of her children to attend as long as she could.

The brainwashing didn't work with us; we're all atheists now.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

73. My parents both quit attending shortly after turning 18

Mom was raised Catholic. I don't think my dad has ever told me what he was raised as. But both of them eventually quit going to church shortly after moving out of their parents' homes. As a result, they never really discussed religion around us or took us to church.

My dad's quite agnostic himself. I'm not sure how my mom felt about the Catholic church but I imagine between the scandals and the discrimination against LGBTQ's, she definitely would've disavowed the church if she were still here.

I can't say I'm really surprised by your post. I know a lot of people who had religion and church pushed on them hard as kids, and wound up agnostic or atheist as adults thanks to that.

[Duppers]

74. My envy continues. 😉

TY, Angel.

[IngridsLittleAngel]

94. You're welcome

And the good news is, you're out of that whole mess now and have been for a long time

[iemanja]

106. That's a pretty narrow notion of what men should dress like.

Why do even critics insist on imposing those kind of norms?