So Roger Stone wrote Trump that Senators Cruz & Hawley will need pardons?

[Botany]

Here’s Roger Stone’s draft memo to Trump on who he should pardon, including Gaetz, Biggs, Gohmert, Jordan, Brooks, Gosar, Cruz, and Hawley. It wouldn’t surprise me if these are some of the Republicans who are revealed in the next hearing. #Jan6thHearings

Link to tweet

According to Stone the Federal Court, the D.C. Court of Appeals, and Federal Prosecutors are rigging the system
against those that opposed the outcome of the 2020 election? aka These people are in deep shit for Jan. 6th 2021
and trying to overthrow our Constitutional Democracy.

[Skittles]

1. "your supporters will be rounded up"

it's like the rule of law doesn't exist with these fascist fucks

and I have ZERO DOUBT that if Trump could have his critics rounded up and executed, HE WOULD

[Delphinus]

2. Absolutely.

I got a chill when I heard Jamie Raskin talk about the plan, which would include martial law. I could see Trump rounding up all who disagreed and locking up, if not executing.

[Justice matters.]

38. That's how democracy dies. It's very simple:

Ignore the big blue book full of criminal codes, lie, lie, lie, until the lies become truths. Follow the same path as in the 1920s-1930s' Nazi Germany...

[Hortensis]

52. Well, how do 50 semi-independent state governments fit into "simple"?

Even some of the red state governments might choose not to subjugate their own power to a central fascistic government serving a hostile megalomaniac whose extreme incompetence threatens them and their industries and big donors.

You're right, of course, in that they're all following many of the strategies proven so effective in RW takeovers of other nations. But 1930s Germany was a much softer nut for the fascists to crack than the U.S. is proving itself, though.

After all, fascism (as opposed to a comparatively normal oligarchy or kleptocracy) is in nobody's interest but those in the central power cabal pretending to serve "the state" while paying careful homage to the leader. Unlike last century, they all know what fascism is now, and right there you lose virtually all very powerful business and political leaders, and religious, leaving only a few ultra-RW religious and other extremists eager to subjugate themselves to the glories of "the state."

[no_hypocrisy]

3. WWHD

What would Hitler do?

[Botany]

5. Those senators, congresspersons, and Stone KNEW they were breaking the law but were so ...

... sure that their coup was going to succeed and the PTB would let them off they didn't care
about what the law said. 650 windows on the ground floor of the US Capitol and the rioters
hit the dozen that were not re-enforced, panic buttons were removed from democratic congress-
persons offices, the D.C. National Guard was given stand down orders, pre coup tours of the
Capitol by GOP Reps., plans to steal the real electoral ballots and replace them with Rudy's
phony ones, the promotion of Trump's "Big Lie" by Fox, Rep. Brooks going to Trump's pre
coup pep rally wearing body armor, and on and on this was a well planned out attack on
our democracy.

[onetexan]

45. Yup, those recon tours the idiots were giving to the extremist group members is the tale tell here

That all of it was premeditated & preplanned. There was an active conspiracy for a self coup.

[malaise]

4. Holy Shit

Expel them and lock them up
This is even more damning for Kevin McCRthy

[onetexan]

21. Spot on!! K&R its all coming out full circle

And equally damning for all those complicit.

[dem4decades]

6. Why is Roger Stone not under arrest?

[Botany]

7. Roger Stone with his Oath Keeper "friends" on 1/5 or 1/6/21

[dem4decades]

8. Wasn't Stone behind the assault on the room where votes were being counted in Florida in 2000?

He was successful then, why wouldn't he try it again? And I believe he did try it again, on Jan 6th.

Arrest the motherfucker.

[Botany]

17. "Wasn't Stone behind the assault on the room where votes were being counted in Florida in 2000?"

Yup!

[dem4decades]

19. God I hate that dickhead Matt Schlapp, such a piece of shit,

[Kid Berwyn]

41. Your tax dollars at treason.

Their cosplay paid off, 5-4.

[Botany]

42. and they got us millions of more tons of carbon in our atmosphere, 9-11, war in Afghanistan, war ..

... in Iraq, ISIS, one of the biggest refugee crisis in the world's history, Ohio 2004, Justices Roberts &
Scalia, outing a CIA agent, Dick Cheney making billions off of Iraq, a large kill of wild run salmon in CA,
an economic collapse, the Big Branch Mine explosions, bin Laden allowed to walk away @ Tora Bora,
Dick Cheney shooting somebody in the face after drinking, Karl Rove rat fucking of our elections, Don
Siegleman in prison, creative response concepts and the swift boating of a real life hero in John Kerry,
and on and on.

Gore, Kerry, and HRC were all rat fucked out of being POTUS and America and the world paid the price.

Those shits should have been dealt with then and there by law enforcement.

[wnylib]

60. So does that connect Stone with

Bush/Cheney?

[OrangeJoe]

55. WTF Congressional members placed on No Fly list?

What lies are this fool promoting now? No member of Congress was placed on the TSA No Fly list for their attempted coup. These people spew out so much disinformation and lies that it is impossible to keep up with them. (Which I suppose is the idea.)

[whopis01]

14. Because Trump pardoned him. n/t

[dem4decades]

15. Has Stone gotten 2 pardons?

[2naSalit]

16. I suspect he will be evntually...

When the DoJ starts playing its cards.

[fightforfreedom]

9. Is this new evidence? I haven't seen this memo before.

Wow! The committee was not kidding when they told us they had the goods.

[DFW]

10. As they might have sung in old Dublin: with cock-ups and hustles, connive, connive, oh!

[kentuck]

11. Recent evidence suggest that Stone was the conduit between Oath Keepers and complicit Congressmen...

He is feeling a little bit of heat, in my opinion.

[dem4decades]

18. Did Trump grant him a second pardon for this? We need a list of pardons granted by Trump. Is that

possible?

[kentuck]

22. Democrats should be creating ads to run against every traitor that asked for a pardon.

At the very least, let the voters in their districts know just what they are voting for.

[Pluvious]

59. Here's the authoritative list of the Groper's pardons...

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

[scarletlib]

12. Honestly, Roger Stone is the one person I most hope ends up in prison.

[calimary]

62. Take a number.

I bet everybody on this board hopes for that - at the very least.

He’s done WAY more than his share of damage. It’s time he paid for that “privilege”.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. I don't understand this nonsense from his "memo"

The recent placement of elected members of Congress on a “no-fly” list, enforced by the TSA at every airport in America, is absolute proof that corrupt left-wing zealots in positions of authority intend to impede the travel of duly elected representatives of the people, despite their having been neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

I don't know who he is talking about. That "list" was maintained by 45-appointed officials, if this is even anything but fiction. I.e., the ones IN CHARGE of DOJ and DHS were all Republicans. Barr was AG and DHS had Kirstjen Nielsen (who left in 2019 after establishing the "children in cages" policy) and after that, the Acting was Chad Wolf.

And Chris Wray, current FBI Director (where an office under the FBI maintains the "no-fly" list), was appointed to the position by 45 after Comey was fired.

[Lonestarblue]

20. I was confused by this too ao I Googled it.

Adam Schiff suggested that Cruz and Hawley should be placed on the no-fly list after they refused to vote for certifying the election, but they were not. The people who were placed on the no-fly list were those who participated in the attack. I assume that would have been done by the FBI.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Right

And given that no one who was a Democrat was in any position in the previous administration with authority to even put anyone on a "no-fly list", it makes that assertion a perfect example of dazzling 45 (any anyone else who is unfamiliar with the federal government) with complete red meat "deep state" bullshit.

I think many of us wished they were but alas, if wishes were horses...

[LeftInTX]

27. I don't have time to read it

Shoot me: But I don't think Ted Cruz did anything illegal.

Cruz is a one slimy reptile, but he knows the law and knows how to push the boundaries and push buttons without breaking it.
He's such an SOB

I used to follow Cruz on FB because he's my senator...Cruz is such a troll, that I had to unfollow him. (And that's bad because I follow Cornyn, Abbott, Dan Patrick and a host of my other elected slimeballs)

I finally ditched Cruz when I realized he was posting a story every hour or so about Antifa...

None of those other elected slimeballs do that....

[BumRushDaShow]

34. You had people like Hawley who were showboating but WaPo recently had an article

that suggested what Cruz was apparently doing was "behind the scenes" coup-planning and interfacing with Eastman (I just found this) -

Inside Ted Cruz’s last-ditch battle to keep Trump in power

By Michael Kranish
March 28, 2022 at 6:00 a.m. EDT


Sen. Ted Cruz was dining near the Capitol on the evening of Dec. 8, 2020, when he received an urgent call from President Donald Trump. A lawsuit had just been filed at the Supreme Court designed to overturn the election Trump had lost, and the president wanted help from the Texas Republican. “Would you be willing to argue the case?” Trump asked Cruz, as the senator later recalled it. “Sure, I’d be happy to” if the court granted a hearing, Cruz said he responded. The call was just one step in a collaboration that for two months turned the once-bitter political enemies into close allies in the effort to keep Trump in the White House based on the president’s false claims about a stolen election.

By Cruz’s own account, he was “leading the charge” to prevent the certification of Joe Biden as president. An examination by The Washington Post of Cruz’s actions between Election Day and Jan. 6, 2021, shows just how deeply he was involved, working directly with Trump to concoct a plan that came closer than widely realized to keeping him in power. As Cruz went to extraordinary lengths to court Trump’s base and lay the groundwork for his own potential 2024 presidential bid, he also alienated close allies and longtime friends who accused him of abandoning his principles.

Now, Cruz’s efforts are of interest to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, in particular whether Cruz was in contact with Trump lawyer John Eastman, a conservative attorney who has been his friend for decades and who wrote key legal memos aimed at denying Biden’s victory. As Eastman outlined a scenario in which Vice President Mike Pence could deny certifying Biden’s election, Cruz crafted a complementary plan in the Senate. He proposed objecting to the results in six swing states and delaying accepting the electoral college results on Jan. 6 in favor of a 10-day “audit” — thus potentially enabling GOP state legislatures to overturn the result. Ten other senators backed his proposal, which Cruz continued to advocate on the day rioters attacked the Capitol.

The committee’s interest in Cruz is notable as investigators zero in on how closely Trump’s allies coordinated with members of Congress in the attempt to block or delay certifying Biden’s victory. If Cruz’s plan worked, it could have created enough chaos for Trump to remain in power.“It was a very dangerous proposal, and, you know, could very easily have put us into territory where we got to the inauguration and there was not a president,” Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), a Jan. 6 committee member, said earlier this year on the podcast “Honestly.” “And I think that Senator Cruz knew exactly what he was doing. I think that Senator Cruz is somebody who knows what the Constitution calls for, knows what his duties and obligations are, and was willing, frankly, to set that aside.”

(snip)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/28/ted-cruz-john-eastman-jan6-committee/

There were so many in the clown car that they needed a clown bus to hold them all so it would make sense that you had some nefarious "under cover" actors doing the meat and potato work "behind the curtains" while the others were entertaining the crowds.

Sounds almost like Cruz did the equivalent of a John Yoo (who crafted the infamous "torture memo" ) in drafting a legal opinion ( "memo" / "plan" ) to justify an extreme solution that would disrupt the Electoral College certification.

If this is true and he was the one who came up with the idea to "object" to the certification of 6 states, and then worked with somone in the House to make sure the Objections were paired with a House Rep./Senator signature (which is required in order to accept the Objection for consideration), then this puts him in a different light. And although doing "objections" is perfectly legal, attempting to implement some plan to then justify the myriad of "objections" being enough to throw the Electoral College decision back to the states for resolution (and I suppose also have the RW-controlled SCOTUS approve of that), would be the final straw.

I.e., the states of interest that were targeted were ones that had GOP-lead legislatures, where the state voted for Biden.

[LeftInTX]

43. I know the term I meant to use: "Skirting the law"

Cancun Cruz "skirts the law" all the time...

He's like Joe McCarthy

Sadly, I don't think Cruz did anything that he can be prosecuted for.

I wish we could catch him, but he's too slimy

[BumRushDaShow]

44. I agree that he is probably on the periphery

although it depends on whether he had some kind of contact with Eastman that crossed the line.

[KS Toronado]

24. Every House R.... should be pardoned except the 10 deserters.

How deep does corruption go in the R party? The 10 must be those who voted to impeach,
how dare they think that they could think for themselves.

[Tommymac]

26. I saw that too. What evil people these are. Pure fucking evil.

I never thought I'd see such slimy, ugly, evil people in We The People's Government.

Nixon's regime of evil doers look like mere simple pranksters in comparison - and in reality they were really evil too.

[sop]

30. Those "ten deserters" were the only ones who didn't need to be pardoned.

[ejbr]

33. +1 n/t

[70sEraVet]

25. Well, pardon or no pardon, as Stone says,

"under the consistently-abused pretext of "national security", federal law enforcement officials are empowered to conduct warrantless searches of all communications and, without probable cause, indefinitely detain and secretly interrogate any person targeted for investigation under these statutes"
In the interests of national security, how about doing a little ' indefinite detaining' of the little 'The Penguin' wannabe? I understand there's a lot of vacant rooms in Gitmo!
I don't think that 'indefinitely detaining' someone for interrogation would be conflicting with the provisions of any Presidential Pardon.

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Kushner testified he was busy writing pardons during the 1/6 hearings. Busy Boy. Good Dog.

[sop]

31. Busy writing a pardon for his convicted felon father.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. THIS

https://www.justice.gov/file/1349106/download (PDF)

[Evolve Dammit]

58. Would be interesting to know how many, and to who they were issued. Giving them out like door prizes

[Javaman]

29. the usual suspected cast of seditious clowns. nt

[BobTheSubgenius]

32. Has it been established that preemptory pardons are even a thing?

The idea seems completely absurd to me, and quite antithetical to real justice.

[Lonestarblue]

36. I remember reading at the time that Trump may have issued himself a secret pardon.

If he did, there are two things wrong with that: pardons should not be secret and no person should be able to pardon himself for crimes committed. I don’t that either has been tested in the courts.

[Grins]

35. The next question...

The next question is what did Stone know that had him write this memo?

[Botany]

39. Inside Ted Cruz's last-ditch battle to keep Trump in power The Texas senator's effort alienated some

The Texas senator’s effort alienated some allies and sparked questions about ties to John Eastman, a
longtime friend and author of key legal memos in Trump’s efforts.

snip

An examination by The Washington Post of Cruz’s actions between Election Day and Jan. 6, 2021, shows just how deeply he was involved, working directly with Trump to concoct a plan that came closer than widely realized to keeping him in power. As Cruz went to extraordinary lengths to court Trump’s base and lay the groundwork for his own potential 2024 presidential bid, he also alienated close allies and longtime friends who accused him of abandoning his principles.

snip

Now, Cruz’s efforts are of interest to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, in particular whether Cruz was in contact with Trump lawyer John Eastman, a conservative attorney who has been his friend for decades and who wrote key legal memos aimed at denying Biden’s victory.

As Eastman outlined a scenario in which Vice President Mike Pence could deny certifying Biden’s election, Cruz crafted a complementary plan in the Senate. He proposed objecting to the results in six swing states and delaying accepting the electoral college results on Jan. 6 in favor of a 10-day “audit” — thus potentially enabling GOP state legislatures to overturn the result. Ten other senators backed his proposal, which Cruz continued to advocate on the day rioters attacked the Capitol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/28/ted-cruz-john-eastman-jan6-committee/

[kentuck]

37. That is some confusing nonsensical bullshit...

..from Roger Stone. He must be feeling the pressure?

[twodogsbarking]

46. Here is a list of the guilty people who will need pardons.

Did I miss something?

[ultralite001]

47. Follow the $$$...

and the Bitcoin...

That is all...

[Aerator]

48. 5 days after the Jan 6 insurrection

Gym was receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Trump ….He didn’t get it for loyalty to the U.S. ,he received it for loyalty to trump .

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

49. It would be quicker to list Repugs that DIDN'T need pardons.

The only ones I can think of are sitting on the J6 committee.

[TlalocW]

50. So why weren't pardons issued?

I can't believe that Trump would be cognizant of the pros and cons of doing so. Was he just feeling lazy or throwing a sullen fit by not doing any work? Was it because they weren't being successful in overturning the election so he felt they weren't working hard enough for him?

TlalocW

[slater71]

51. If Garland dont get all these republican fools, you will never stop them.

That would include everyone that had anything to do with the attempted overthrow of our government. Stone, Bannon, Cruz, Hawley, Gomer, Johnson Brooks, and others. They don`t need Trump to attempt another overthrow of the government. We will only get one shot at this and if we miss, it`s over for our country as we know it. Biden should also make every militia that had anything to do with Jan 6th or were there on the 6th, an enemy of the state and ban those groups from even existing and then get the FBI to go get them. These people must be destroyed before they destroy us.

[slightlv]

53. A little OT, but I was struck by a line from Thursday's meeting

Cheney (I believe) kept bringing up the Oath of Office to the Constitution. Yet, here was Jenna Ellis. Wasn't it that same Jenna who was called to testify at Scooter Libby's trial and goofed up when she testified she swore an oath to GW Bush... and was "corrected" most vehemently then that federal employees do NOT swear an oath to a person... but to the Constitution? Or am I getting some of these bobbleheads mixed up?

[Irish_Dem]

54. I bet McConnell is doing some back room dealing to get his senators off the hook.

He won't let anything happen to his majority.

[Shoonra]

56. But Trump didn't issue any pardons ...

In the three weeks left in his term after this memo, Trump did not issue pardons for any of these people.
It's not as if it would have cost Trump anything to do so.
It's just that Trump is accustomed to not paying the people who work for him; not paying them even in non-monetary terms.

[AntiFascist]

57. I wonder if they were saving Cawthorn to be thrown under the bus...

that could explain some of the weirdness before his recent primary loss.

[stopdiggin]

61. Well, yeah, but .... Roger Stone. Yah know? -(nt)-