Just an observation---when your child is drowning 100 feet from shore and someone

[Atticus]

reluctantly tosses them a 5 foot rope there is no cause for celebrating it as "at least something".

[2naSalit]

1. Hey, their intentions were good!

[LiberatedUSA]

2. Would you prefer nobody tossed anything?

Prefect doesn’t happen in politics.

If they introduce a ban, even one that only mimics the 1994 ban (which was easy to get around for manufacturers), it won’t pass the Senate or SCOTUS. If a bill goes further and bans anything and demands a turn in with no payment for the price paid for the gun or magazine, that is doomed.

And anyone that thinks gun owners will hand over their $1,000 to $2,000 or more rifle for a $100 tax credit or grocery card is insane. “Sure, I’ll disarm and lose most of my money.” Yeah right.

The desires of gun safety won’t happen unless more Democratic legislators are elected. This is reality.

[OldBaldy1701E]

3. Then, why are we still putting up with it?

Prefect doesn’t happen in politics.

Which is why the entire system needs to be revamped or reimagined. We allow horrors in the name of 'making headway', when solutions exist but would alter the power landscape. And, they are not going to give up their 'power'. You are so correct about the idea of the 'deadly dildo' brigade not wanting to give up their phalluses for a fraction of what they paid for it. Losing money is akin to global destruction in this country's mind. Are we really expecting this stuff to work? We need more Democrats in our government, that is for sure. But, if Congress keeps tossing that short rope because of 'imperfect politics', then maybe it is time to consider other options? Bah, what am I saying? The word 'progressive' is becoming a bad word on either side of the aisle these days.

[LiberatedUSA]

5. You are exactly right.

Our entire system of government needs to be overhauled from the ground up. That won’t happen, but that is what is needed.

We could use the Constitution, Bill of Rights and all the debates back then as the starting point of the overhaul. We know we can’t rely on tradition, things have to written down or another Gus the Mule comes along to kick for the team because it wasn’t written down the team could only be humans.

I’m going to vote and hope for the best. I am going to encourage everyone I know (that will listen to reason) to vote.

I will certainly hope for the best, but I think it is over (personally in the back of my mind). I think this country will split up. There will be pockets of blue doing what blue wants to do and pockets of red doing what red wants to do. Hopefully, should that happen, we can keep it peacefully while each side ignores the other’s federal laws.

[Atticus]

6. Is there not ample precedent for the government to simply outlaw a repugnant form

of "property" without compensation?

Am I wrong about slaveholders getting "zilch" for their former slaves?

Is this not one of the "-great injustices" the Confederstes are still whining about?

[LiberatedUSA]

7. If you feel this can be achieved...

…without the country being turned into a war zone, then by all means get our legislators to outlaw those rifles and demand them turned in without compensation and a smile on the face of the person turning it in.

Good luck with that. And good luck with the red states going along with it anymore than blue states plan on going along with a federal ban on abortion should the GOP actually ever get something like that.

[Atticus]

8. What you appear to advocate is a grand-scale "heckler's veto": "Let's not do something that

might piss off the fascist Trumpies!"

Personally, I don't care one whit whether they smile when they turn in their assault rifles. And, the prediction of the country becoming a "war zone" greatly amplifies the threat of a gaggle of overweight Rambo wannabes.

As for the red states not cooperating with federal law, how many slaves do those folks own today?

[LiberatedUSA]

9. I am just saying good luck.

I am not advocating anything. I don’t see a civil war 2 going like the first one in how it would be fought. It would be an insurgency using terrorist attacks designed to shut everything down, along with mass casualty events.

Your fantasies of “hand them over or be arrested or die” won’t happen in this political environment. If the GOP steals their way to power through gerrymandering and getting election watching positions, it will be them trying to force blue states to comply to their ideas, not the other way around.

And I got news for you. If Rambo wannabes and their AR-15 collections won’t do them any good, how much better would blue state democrats and their one deer rifle do in fighting off an insane GOP controlled government?

[ecstatic]

4. That was my initial thought too. It almost feels like

we're giving republicans an undeserved win. Now they can pretend like they've done something but Trevor Noah brought up some really good points. Incrementalism works. It's frustrating but it works.