SORRY! Just got here. ****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 2, thread ONE***

[Scrivener7]

Anyone watching? I sure am!

[Ocelot II]

1. So far, we learned that Rudy was "apparently inebriated."

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Just posted that

and noted I spit out the popcorn I was eating when she said that.

[Ohio Joe]

7. I was not expecting that...

Got a huge laugh here

[elleng]

2. aha, good that Scrivener has arrived!!!

[Scrivener7]

6. Hi, elleng! Do you know what time they started? What did I miss?

[elleng]

11. just now;

delay due to physical absence of stepien, his wife in labor, so arrangements to present his recorded deposition apparently took time.

[Scrivener7]

15. Oh good.

[Tree Lady]

3. Watching not quite awake yet! Nt

[woodsprite]

5. Watching CSPAN in a teeny tiny window with work windows up all around.

Thankfully, I don't have a meeting until 1pm

[BumRushDaShow]

8. We now get to hear Zoe Lofgren (Watergate vet) for the first time with an opening statement

[Scrivener7]

9. Today's subject: "The false narrative that the 2020 election was quote/unquote stolen."

"The claims were false and he and his closest supporters knew they were false."

"And used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars."

"The Big Lie was also the big ripoff."

Oh, this should be good.

[live love laugh]

10. Why at 9am instead of prime time? They don't want

everyone to see it with this schedule.

[elleng]

14. because people like congressmembers and the public have lives.

SURely the committee that's worked on this for so long want it to be seen by the public.

[live love laugh]

18. The Americans who can't watch also "have lives".

[Demsrule86]

66. What makes you think the networks would give more prime time? Also, this can be recorded and

and streamed on Peacock...it will also be shown again on CSPAN.

[Tommymac]

148. The Watergate hearings were almost ALL televised live during the day. People Still Watched.

And they did not have the internet so they could see the replays ad nauseum on demand in times that fit their lifestyles.

The only ones put out were the die hard soap opera fans.

[wnylib]

154. They will see lots of clips on TV and

social media. They will hear about it on radios in their cars. They will be able to watch on You Tube.

[phylny]

158. Yes, I'm away from home baby sitting

our granddaughter but have recorded it and will watch my recording tonight on my computer via Xfinity.

[Sympthsical]

19. People watch things differently now

Anyone interested can find it on a billion sites, starting with YouTube.

Although this is prettttty early for the West Coast. I haven't even started work yet. Just idly listening while having coffee and organizing my day.

[elleng]

25. Thanks

[getagrip_already]

24. because a key witness backed out an hour before the hearings were to begin.....

They had to scramble to adjust and come up with a plan.

[Ocelot II]

48. It will be preserved and available online in many places.

Same thing happened with the Watergate hearings - they were broadcast during daytime business hours by the three major networks, then PBS replayed them in the evening.

[calimary]

160. That's my complaint. 10am?

That’s 7am here on the West Coast. Only hard cores will see and hear, not the general public.
I just hope there are LOTS of video clips and commentary all over everywhere, at all hours an in writing and on the radio, to compensate.

I hope it’s inescapable.

[oswaldactedalone]

12. "The big lie was a big ripoff..."

[a kennedy]

17. Loved that......👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

[AngryOldDem]

13. I really like the way they are structuring this.

Making it compelling, and not at all intimidating to anyone with only a passing knowledge of the facts of all this.

[Scrivener7]

20. I think their genius is that the only ones they are aiming at CONVINCING are those who

may not have been exposed to the things we have been exposed to, but who could be convinced.

So republiQans who only watch Fox but who smell something rotten.

[DURHAM D]

16. lol

Link to tweet

?cxt=HHwWgMCoscCsoNIqAAAA

[Flo Mingo]

21. Had to clean my screen after that one

[crickets]

89. The deadpan delivery was impeccable.

[nolabear]

22. Oooohhhh...Ivanka and Jared are back!

You have to love it!

[underpants]

38. IvanRed

Too...on spot?

[jimlup]

23. I'm a teacher on summer break so yeah! I'm watching!

Fun times

[nolabear]

26. Bringing in FOX as evidence they believed he lost.

These people are SHARKS.

[AKwannabe]

153. Recording. Missed part since in AK so will wait to watch all

The FOX angle will be delish when I watch.
Hopefully exposes this bunch of rip-off, bungling, so called journalists to the qnons and idiot tRumpers that watch the rag and hopefully are watching this…

Wonder what they are airing today? Not.

[leftieNanner]

27. Bill Stephen is an oily SOB. Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

28. Bwah! Deposition going back to the drunk Ghouliani

[Lars39]

31. Seems to be the focus lol

[Emile]

35. I know, America's mayor is nothing but a damn drunk.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Some of us knew about him BEFORE he became mayor

[electric_blue68]

138. Unfortunately I Remember that Rascist Rant.

[crickets]

99. Rudy seems to be stammering a bit in his testimony, hee.

Everybody is hesitant and stammering in answering questions about it. Nobody wants to admit that he egged tfg on. Also, thank goodness for the mute/closed captions button every time tfg speaks.

[BumRushDaShow]

101. "thank goodness for the mute/closed captions button every time tfg speaks."

Thank GOODNESS I'm not the only one also reaching for the remote to MUTE every time they play one of 45's clips!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

29. And like Beetlejuice, a Ghouliani blip was shown

[Scrivener7]

30. Bahahahah!!!! "Was there anyone in that conference who had had too much to drink?"

"Ahh................. Rudy Giuliani"

"Tell us more about that."

[nolabear]

36. The infighting and bus-throwing gives me joy.

When relationships are transactional, those transactions can get mighty tense.

[Traildogbob]

121. Ginny Thomas

Will need to rent more buses for this crowd.

[uponit7771]

40. +1,

[AngryOldDem]

32. Drunk Rudy.

Just the person you want to take advice from.


EDIT — Still like Ivanka’s deer-in-the-headlights look.

[calimary]

162. Sheesh - now there's a mental image I can't not see anymore...

And as for Ivanka, it looks like that deer-in-the-headlights look comes from another recent visit to her plastic surgeon. They don’t smile much after they’ve done that. And they have to be careful frowning or any other facial expressions or risk of crows’ feet or laugh lines while they’re healing.

That’s what she makes me think of. I covered Hollywood for most of my career. I saw more “work done” at big events and celebrity this-and-thats than anyone could shake a makeup brush at.

[Bluepinky]

33. Rudy's level of intoxication.

He was intoxicated, but no one knew his level of intoxication.

[SergeStorms]

155. I think it's safe to assume....

Ghouliani is drunk most of his waking hours these days. I think this goes back to 2016, perhaps longer.

[Baitball Blogger]

34. Major Giuliani's inebriation is a big deal.

Because he was one of the people goading Trump to declare himself the winner.

[AngryOldDem]

42. He was probably under the influence later on, too.

Drunk from booze, drunk from his delusion that he was in charge.

[Baitball Blogger]

54. I suspect that inebriation is behind a lot of bad ideas that

Flow on the local level. So, not surprised to see it at federal level.

[Scrivener7]

37. So the drunk guy was telling them all what to do and the rest of them were too cowardly

to disagree with him.

[AngryOldDem]

47. He was telling Trump what Trump wanted to hear.

His state of sobriety made no difference. But yeah…the reputation he had with everybody else makes this puzzling. Maybe they just didn’t want to pick a fight that night.

It’s either cultish behavior, or deep fear of the Wrath of Trump.

[Scrivener7]

50. It may have been the first time he ever lost anything that he couldn't cheat his way to winning.

So I bet he was murderous.

[AngryOldDem]

55. I'm sure he was.

And I’m sure his sore-loserism played some small role in what later went down.

A dangerous man-child.

[Scrivener7]

58. As the great Omar Devone Little once said, "Fools love a fool."

[Flo Mingo]

39. Dear Guggly Muggly

This is Ambrosia. Thank you to whomever put this production together.

[Scrivener7]

41. Right?

[nolabear]

52. Say what you will about Democrats, we're great at the arts!

We should do it more. Make it professional, tug at emotions, edit to the narrative, use those storytelling skills. Manipulative? You bet your left buttock. 😁

[AngryOldDem]

60. Whatever captures people's attention and makes them think.

Especially now, when too many are ignorant of Civics and Government 101.

[nolabear]

65. IKR? I'm shocked how ignorant people are.

I’ve been a politics geek since I was a child but I do think more people at least tried to grasp the basics. Now? Nah. So things like this are helpful.

[Flo Mingo]

70. It's a textbook illustration of great messaging

Done with short visuals to keep short attention spans interested.

[nolabear]

72. That photo of Stepian!

He knows. “The party’s overrrrrrrrr…”

[Bluepinky]

43. Stepien's lawyer just admitted Biden won the election.

[Scrivener7]

46. This guy is the digital politics editor from FOX NEWS! (Stierwalt, I think his name is.)

FOX NEWS's numbers guy just admitted it and stated it very strongly.

[crickets]

106. That interchange where the question "Who won the election?" was directly asked

and promptly answered correctly was so satisfying. FINALLY.

[Bluepinky]

45. Definition of red mirage: the color of drunk Rudy's cheeks during a bender.

[berniesandersmittens]

49. Fox political director explaining the red mirage

[crickets]

122. His comment "Mike Pence sounding like a normal Republican that night"

was golden. Ha, the insinuation about the rest of the tfg crowd is hilarious, and he just casually said it out loud.

[Sympthsical]

51. Never heard the term "red mirage" before

I knew that happened due to vote processes, but never heard or read the term before.

TIL.

[Novara]

53. I'm watching at my desk but I'm also working ...

... so I can't comment much.

So far, so good.

Elaine Luria just tweeted that they have the receipts.

Stay tuned!

[Scrivener7]

56. "The president.... understands how many times to go to the well on a particular topic."

Well, THAT'S an interesting statement!

[Johnny2X2X]

57. It was all predicted

We knew Trump was going to claim victory before all the votes were counted. Yet it still happened and tore the country apart.

[Scrivener7]

68. And that's happening again right now.

[ancianita]

59. Fox Editor Stirewalt is now questioned on how, at the Decision Desk, he knew AZ would go for Biden.

Stirewalt says Fox had the best on the ground polling with smallest margins of error, and so Fox won the media announcement race.

[certainot]

150. i wonder why he winked when he was finished - to give the nuts something to chew on?

[nolabear]

61. LOL! Stirewalt pandering to FOX while bludgeoning TFG.

SOOOOOO perfect.

[Scrivener7]

64. There are a lot of these little clues that the republiQan powers-that-be are tentatively

testing out throwing tfg under the bus.

[nolabear]

67. They never realize that they can easily be the next course in the meal.

[Midnight Writer]

123. I think the fact that FOXNews decided to start airing these hearings is an example.

The bloom is off the rose, and it's time to throw it out.

[Mersky]

62. So Fox anticipated the "red mirage"

Whereby it may appear like republicans are in the lead until all the mail in ballots are counted.

But, definitely drunk Rudy pushed, “we won…”

[BumRushDaShow]

63. OMG this guy's testimony reminds me of this similar thing

[Ohio Joe]

69. "Realistic legal challenges...

Not all the legal challenges that were pursued"

Bang! They knew they were fake.

[nolabear]

71. That photo of the look on Stepien's face!

[BumRushDaShow]

76. I don't know who picked that still but

[Scrivener7]

73. This guy was never in any doubt that tfg is a moron and a liar, and yet he worked for him.

[Takket]

74. the picture is being painted...

that drumpf's own people were telling him he lost. This then put it in clear terms that drumpf KNEW what he was claiming was a lie.

[Scrivener7]

75. They are doing an amazing job of getting this testimony in, even though they thought

it would be live today. They must have had to put this together since this morning.

[spooky3]

84. A team of staffers likely pulled an all nighter. Hard working

aides make all the wheels turn.

[DURHAM D]

77. Is anyone counting how many times Bill Stepien says

"you know"

[BumRushDaShow]

80. LOL

I remember decades ago where teachers just howled at us about using "you know" or "um" when speaking.

[Traildogbob]

127. I went though

The teenage girl years of “like” with my daughter’s friends. Thank god it did not stick with her, but my niece used “like” more than my fellow sailers used “F**kin” as an affective to everything.

[BumRushDaShow]

132. And that's another

"Like, um, I was at the mall, you know, and like I saw that guy from the club and um like he was so cute and um like, you know..."

[Traildogbob]

144. Nailed it

[txwhitedove]

149. Like, STOP! I bit my tongue for 16years working with a college educated woman who

talked like that constantly. Argh!

[BumRushDaShow]

152. Hee hee

[Lonestarblue]

156. I still cringe when I hear it.

My English teachers frequently commented on two things: cursing and using extraneous words. Cursing shows a lack of imagination for communicating one’s feelings in more effective words, while using extraneous words shows a lack of command of your language. I had some tough English teachers, most of whom loved diagramming. My first college English teacher diagramming a step further to parsing for sentence structure and meaning with diagramming as a tool. Yikes!

[BumRushDaShow]

157. "tough English teachers, most of whom loved diagramming"

OMG my head just did this when you posted "diagramming"-

[crickets]

161. My *fifth grade* English teacher diagrammed sentences for hours on end,

and eventually had each of us at the blackboard diagramming them as well. I give her a lot of credit for the Verbal scores on my SATs, lo those many years ago. Bless her. Thank you to all of the English teachers out there who take the time to teach how to diagram a sentence. It makes a huge difference in learning how language works.

[Mersky]

86. Like how the campaign was structurally and fiscally deficient

115 days out from the election.

… ohh, we knew, but it helps hear Stepien knew and knows it, too.

[AngryOldDem]

105. That seat was mighty hot.

[Takket]

78. did you hear that bombshell???????????????????

He just said that the "wild claim" of non-citizens voting was based on the truth of perfectly legal citizens casting ballots from overseas. THEY KNEW. DRUMPF KNEW that "illegal voters" WAS NOT TRUE.

[Scrivener7]

79. He knew ALL of it. ALL of it was blatant lies.

[Ohio Joe]

81. 'The president got rid of team normal'

And went with team nutjob... Anyone surprised?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

140. Malignant narcissists don't give a damn what they wreck, be it a country or democracy. . . . nt

[BumRushDaShow]

82. They showed a clip of a drunk Ghouliani on Faux Snooze

[crickets]

131. Rudy spewed the wildest claims, just lied his face off.

Also, was he ever sober during any of these interviews? Wow.

[BumRushDaShow]

135. It seems that of the clips that they were showing

they (all those other associated actors) may be setting Ghouliani up to be the "fall guy".

(not that he doesn't deserve that role )

[crickets]

142. Well, he did give them plenty of rope to work with. 😏

[wnylib]

159. I don't think that Rudy has many moments

in life when he is not drunk. In serious need of alcohol rehab.

[BumRushDaShow]

83. First witness dismissed and now focusing on Barr's testimony

(too much for them to show the whole thing but they will be showing portions)

[Flo Mingo]

88. I'm seeing Barr's schtick

He comes off credible by presenting cherry picked facts with heavy parsing of words that bob and weave around the fact that he was as complicit as Trump and the fact that he resigned before the shit hit the fan changes NOTHING.

I hope they prosecute him.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. He has a lot of experience

from his Iran-Contra days.

[Flo Mingo]

104. He's the poster child for fixers

Trump thought he had his Roy Cohen but he got the soulless liar and political opportunist that has infected American politics for over 40 years.

[BumRushDaShow]

108. +infinity

[DURHAM D]

85. I am actually surprised that Bill Barr knows what

Whac a Mole is.

[Mersky]

91. Also, I'll remember where I was when I heard Barr say the word bullshit.

He said, “The claims of fraud were bullshit.”

I sipped coffee poorly whilst in my living room when that gem landed.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. He has said it quite a few times

during his testimony!

[Mersky]

109. Haven't watched the first night in-full, yet

Due to life-getting-in-the-way reasons, but will get caught up today. Might have to keep a running tally as I go

[BumRushDaShow]

112. I think he may have said it once in a clip from the previous hearing

but said it a couple times during other parts that were shown today.

[Mersky]

115. Yep, gonna rewind and take that all in

again for good measure.

[Midnight Writer]

124. Barr has been shoveling bullshit for decades. He knows it when he smells it.

[Scrivener7]

87. Barr should have been discounting the claims publicly from the moment they were spoken.

Creep.

[crickets]

136. +1000000

[Marthe48]

90. How did somebody that full of s**t

Get elected. God

[Scrivener7]

92. Barr: "If he really believes this stuff, he has really lost contact with reality."

And this is where they illegally used location information illegally given to them by phone companies.

[Lars39]

93. Barr dishing 2000 Mules,

[miyazaki]

94. Dominions loving this, rolf

Barr is killing it.

[nolabear]

96. Oooooh! Laughing at Disouza's movie!

I hope he’s watching.

[kairos12]

98. Barr just gave the words that will be Chump's defense.

Trump was "detached from reality" ...no matter the evidence he believed he won the election.

[AngryOldDem]

102. He's always been "detached from reality."

The man’s a serial liar and is delusional, especially as it concerns himself.

Trump was fucking dangerous, though, in the days after the election. God only only knows what else will come out about that point in time.

[OneGrassRoot]

107. That's what we should use in all interactions with Trumpers...

though I really don't have any much these days.

You're all detached from reality, which is now noted in the Congressional record, just like your Dear Leader.

[AngryOldDem]

119. I just have an image of Trump...

….in a corner of the Oval, hands covering his ears and kicking his feet like an angry 2-year-old.

All of his inner circle just exposed him for who and what he is. But will the GOP see this and act accordingly?

[crickets]

143. Barr also made a point of saying that he told them "The Department (of Justice)

is not a part of their legal team." Ouch.

[Lars39]

100. Peter Navarro mentioned!

[Midnight Writer]

128. Guiliani was drunk. What is Navarro's excuse?

He's just plain deranged. Like clinically deranged.

Anyone who says something he doesn't like is working for the Deep State.

[Lars39]

130. Yeah, really.

Getting interesting ,though.

[Scrivener7]

103. One of the things this is making me feel is overwhelming relief that all these republiQans are now

on record in one video document saying the election fraud shit was not only false but totally ridiculous.

This is so important.

[IcyPeas]

110. good grief. Mick Mulvaney just tweeted this

distancing much?

Trump's inner circle at the end was...Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, Peter Navarro...

Garbage in. Garbage out.

Link to tweet

[Scrivener7]

113. OMG. There goes a rat off the ship now!

[Traildogbob]

133. Wish I had

A picture of a ship surrounded by 100’s of rats swimming away. With sharks in FBI jackets swarming the prey.

[Scrivener7]

137. LOL! I think we'll get that picture in the next few days and weeks.

[Novara]

120. Wow. That's what trying to save your own ass looks like

[crickets]

146. Aw, bless. It's a little late for him to try this now. nt

[Takket]

111. I live in Detroit area...

I remember the claims that ballots were being rolled into the counting center. they had a picture of the cart. and WXYZ, our local ABC affiliate, was on the air going, uh, no, that is our camera crew!!! LOL so crazy

[nolabear]

117. LOL! They were so insane they'd believe anything.

[BumRushDaShow]

114. ****NOW IN 10 MINUTE RECESS****

[Scrivener7]

116. **** LET'S GO TO THREAD #2 WHILE THEY'RE ON THE BREAK. HERE'S THE LINK: ****

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216794977

[AllaN01Bear]

118. untill that floating fat man is brought in chains b4 the commitie , i aint.

[Scrivener7]

126. Your loss. These testimonies are awesome.

[BlueJac]

125. Watching!

[Scrivener7]

129. **** LET'S GO TO THREAD #2 WHILE THEY'RE ON THE BREAK. HERE'S THE LINK: ***

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216794977

[berniesandersmittens]

134. Maybe time for thread 2?

Thanks!

[Scrivener7]

139. Yes, I agree.

[Takket]

141. it is amazing how much time and money was wasted.........

investigating things like the "box of ballots under the table" in Georgia. A Box of ballots? at a ballot counting chamber? HOLY SHIT!!! Who would have thunk it!!!!!!!!!!"

and you just know every MAGAt would believe a word of any of this... "but what about............" etc etc etc

[wiggs]

151. ...on the public's dime. nt

[Scrivener7]

147. Come on over to the new thread. Link is a couple of posts up.