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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe sickest part of this ...
... is how many people close to the orange motherfucker witnessed this flat-out insanity and no one invoked the 25th Amendment.
"Suitcases"? "Truckloads of ballots"?
He's fucking batshit insane.
Yet no one thought to invoke the 25th.
cbabe
(3,511 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,426 posts)What happens to the American people or democracy is of no import to them whatsoever.
Ocelot II
(115,576 posts)The problem is that it's really hard to do it. The process for removing an unfit President is - if the VP and the majority of the cabinet have determined the President is unfit, they send a letter to that effect to the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader. At that point, the Vice President immediately becomes President. If the President contests the finding against him, Congress can order the presidents removal by a 2/3 majority vote in each house. The Vice President remains President until the next election. I don't think a majority if the cabinet would have gone along with it, and even if they had, you'd still need a 2/3 majority in each house. Impeachment failed twice and the 25th Amendment is just as much of an uphill battle.
Novara
(5,817 posts)... we have GOT to stop electing corrupt, insane people.
Ocelot II
(115,576 posts)where a president is seriously incapacitated by physical disability, as if they have a stroke or some such thing. It wasn't invoked when Reagan was shot because he was still able to work from the hospital while he recovered. I don't think anyone was considering the possibility that there would ever be a batshit crazy president. Corrupt presidents should be dealt with by impeachment, but obviously that didn't work.
Novara
(5,817 posts)They accounted for corrupt presidents but not batshit insane ones.
Ocelot II
(115,576 posts)than the Founders' original Constitution, and it was enacted in response to the Kennedy assassination. But even as recently as 1965 nobody contemplated the possibility of a barking mad president.
Novara
(5,817 posts)But yeah. Throughout history, most people thought America wouldn't be stupid enough to elect someone this corrupt and insane.
sop
(10,090 posts)out of touch with reality, yet these sycophants continued to enable his disastrous plans. It looks like they're setting up an out for the DOJ; they can't prosecute Trump because the guy was/is bat shit crazy.
Cheezoholic
(2,004 posts)They know he's bat shit. It's the old "look something shiny" trick. MSM et. al. are all focused on his insanity meanwhile the GQP is establishing their fascist foundation solidly across the country from the ground up. The real fucking traitors won't be touched.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)who said my best people have looked at it and concluded that there was no fraud. So Im going to go to Mara Lago and play some golf. He knows that. He knew it then. Hes a severely damaged and emotionally corrupt asshole, but he freakin knows how to run a con. Its his thing.
Novara
(5,817 posts)And everybody is too afraid to touch him. It's how he gets away with everything.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)
convince you that they are too stupid to run a con on you. He has spent a lifetime perfecting that technique.
He IS stupid by most objective standards. Im not saying its just an act. But I think its really because he is simply and utterly uninterested if anything thats not somehow a part of his con schemes.
crickets
(25,951 posts)This is the biggest con he's ever tried, and it looks like he finally picked one too big to pull off.
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Novara
(5,817 posts)... who will do anything for power.
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Blue Owl
(50,238 posts)Initech
(100,029 posts)That Trump duped his supporters into believing that they would get a full presidential pardon for murdering half of Congress to be able to allow Trump to become president again. That is some next level delusion right there.
And yeah he's a cult leader all right.
Meadowoak
(5,534 posts)Inner circle that said nothing, did nothing but wrote a book to hawk after the fact.
Hotler
(11,392 posts)"See something. Say something", instead took a fat check from a publisher and wrote a book instead of standing up to TFG and protecting democracy. What if the pipe bombs went off and killed somebody because Barr walked and looked the other way.
Novara
(5,817 posts)How many of them could have said something at the time but chose to cash in with a book later on?
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)towerbum
(263 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)NNadir
(33,457 posts)The first case for which its mechanism was clearly called, nothing happened.
It sounded good on paper, but it would require people who cared about their country and who had courage.
Neither of these conditions, caring about our country or having courage, exist in the Republican party.
Gaugamela
(2,494 posts)cabinet did discuss it, and that this will come out later in the hearings.
I could be wrong, Im only going on memory.
MacKasey
(982 posts)And Dan Quayle knew too
They could have called a press conference on Jan 5 and exposed everything
That was their duties as elected officials, even though Quayle was not serving at this time. An American would have blow the whistle on what was going to happen
bringthePaine
(1,727 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...but he'll be our train-wreck... he's an idiot, we can control him. Think of all that power we'll be able to access!"
What they did not count on was that tRump is certifiable: toxic, narcissistic sociopath, who doesn't give a shit about normalities. You don't control someone like that. They. Control. You.
Gaugamela
(2,494 posts)LIZ CHENEY: And you will hear from witnesses how the day played out inside the White House. How multiple White House staff resigned in disgust and how President Trump would not ask his supporters to leave the Capitol. It was only after multiple hours of violence that President Trump finally released a video instructing the riotous mob to leave. And as he did so, he said to them quote, "We love you and you're very special." You will also hear that in the immediate aftermath of January 6th, members of the President's family, White House staff, and others tried to step in to stabilize the situation, quote, "To land the plane before the Presidential transition on January 20th." You will hear about members of the Trump cabinet discussing the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment and replacing the President of the United States. Multiple members of President Trump's own cabinet resigned immediately after January 6th. One member of the Cabinet suggested that the remaining Cabinet officers needed to take a more active role in running the White House and the Administration.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/10/1104156949/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript
kwijybo
(225 posts)The 25th is for a President that is incapable of doing his job, not one that's a lying sack of shit.
Novara
(5,817 posts)Probably the most unqualified ever.
Skittles
(153,109 posts)that is just a FACT
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)But perhaps you think there were enough cabinet members to go along with it ?