Ashli Babbit died for Trump's Sins

[H2O Man]

"Ashli Babbit had been preparing for this day, the day when world events would turn her way. When a discouraged friend on Twitter asked last week, 'When do we start winning?' Ms. Babbitt had an answer: 'Jan 6, 2021.' " -- New York Times; January 7, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/who-was-ashli-babbitt.html


I did not know Ashli Babbit, or even that she existed, until after her death at the January 6 insurrection. Now I know that she had served in the US Air Force for 14 years, before "struggling to keep a pool supply company afloat." (Ibid) I know that she religiously believed in the gospel of Q-Anon, and believed that Donald Trump was both honest and cared about her.

While sacrificing one's life in a just war is noble, I am curious how her family and friends feel after watching today's Committee presentation. Are they, like some of those charged and convicted for their participation on that awful day, aware that Trump lied -- purposely lied to them -- and betrayed them? That he was fully aware that he lost to President Biden?

Are they even dimly aware that Trump had two goals: to steal the election, and to raise money ? And that he would gladly sacrifice their lives, or their freedom, as quickly as he would allow police officers to be assaulted and killed?

Perhaps they recognized that she died for a lie. Or maybe not. For far too few people make the effort to look inside, evaluate, and live, with the same spirit as that person who sacrifices him/herself in a just war. And that is sad, indeed, for one need not "die" in that effort, but just stop inhabiting the lower levels of human potential.

[LonePirate]

1. Why aren't right wingers claiming she would still be alive if she had complied with LEOs?

If she had listened to them and not gone inside the Capitol, chances are very high she would not have died that day.

[H2O Man]

2. Right.

[ck4829]

50. Hey, that's a good question

[LetMyPeopleVote]

3. Babbitt was an insurrectionist, taken in by Mr. Trump & the Big Lie. She was part of the attack mob

Link to tweet

[H2O Man]

6. Yes.

That she was.

[Hekate]

31. Instead she is a "martyr to the cause," and oh so useful in that capacity

[Aristus]

4. She died for her own sins.

Still no sympathy...

[H2O Man]

7. I agree.

But I wonder if her family & friends recognize that she died both from her own foolishness -- the stupid claim she made of being "woke" without a clue what that means -- and Trump's lies.

[Nevilledog]

9. Her mom's a loon, and I think they're suing the LEO who shot her.

[H2O Man]

11. Yikes!

I assumed that she came from a warped family.

[Nevilledog]

15. She really was unhinged

Link to tweet

Here's a background story

Link to tweet

[H2O Man]

24. On a positive note,

I am glad that she was no longer in the military.

[Nevilledog]

26. She would have been just one more, unfortunately.

Although ex-military presence was much higher than active duty.

[H2O Man]

28. Yeah.

Law enforcement, too.

[struggle4progress]

36. Fundraising gimmick? They collected $460K but haven't filed suit

https://www.aol.com/ashli-babbitt-family-still-hasn-204908541.html

[Nevilledog]

37. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was.

[Hortensis]

5. She died for her own sins. She was watching the last of her "hostages"

being evacuated and rushed to lead the mob through the breach they finally opened up -- even with officers poised to shoot whoever tried.

She wasn't insane. She was a "normal" adult, and unfortunately not a rare type. Like her fellows, she chose to believe years of vicious RW extremist lies before tRump came along.

This isn't opinion. This kind of "normal" and how they turn dangerous has been studied many times since the Nazi era, but never more than today.

She and others like her needed a strongman leader to be loyal to and chose to elevate tRump when he offered himself and his unending series of lies crafted to please them. They made tRump what he is now, just as he formed them into his dangerous authoritarian followers. The rough beast that slouched toward Bethlehem.

[H2O Man]

8. Exactly right.

As I noted above, she was stupid enough to refer to herself as "woke." No, she was one of thousands of unconscious machines attacking democracy that day.

[Hortensis]

14. As said, "tragic" she's not spreading woke on Fox right now.

[H2O Man]

25. Right.

I think anyone watching the hearings must, at some level, realize how fucking stupid those people were on January 6.

[Caliman73]

33. It is fundamentally an "attribution" problem.

Conservatives are angry but at the wrong causes. They are angry at immigrants. They are angry at women. They are angry at people of color. All of whom are relatively powerless within the legal and economic systems set up in this country.

She complained about "homelessness" which is definitely a societal problem, but she is going after the "government" and by government she likely means liberals and progressives, not conservatives. She complained about the "drug" problems and again, made vague statements about who is responsible.

The question is, "Who has the power to influence decisions on policy dealing with homelessness or drug manufacturing and distribution?" Is it immigrants, women, and people of color?" OR is it wealthy and powerful people and corporations? Who is more likely to get their desired policies in place?

Similarly, she doesn't know how government works. How the House can pass hundreds of pieces of legislation aimed at reducing poverty and homelessness, but in the Senate, ONE person can block and derail that legislation.

Conservatives are mad at the wrong people because they listen to garbage.

[Hortensis]

34. Yes. Though, WHY do they choose lies over truth? Not everyone does.

And for our own sakes, let's keep in mind that we're talking about those conservatives who do. If all conservatives were that way, we'd never have advanced much beyond the wheel. Instead, more sensible, more reliably decent people, including conservatives, outnumber them and most of the time drag them along.

(Btw, "they" include a smaller proportion of LWers also prone to extremist attitudes. In particular, LW authoritarians, neglected and previously lumped in with RW since they're extremely similar in some ways -- "Lock her up!", are finally recognized for themselves and being studied and quantified.)

[GoodRaisin]

10. Her family should wise up and massively sue TFG

but they are dumbasses (like her) who have continued to support him. The 1/6 committee is making a civil case for them and wrapping it in a bow. I wonder how long it is going to take them to start smelling money.

[H2O Man]

18. Yes, I agree.

[Nevilledog]

12. She was a saint dontchaknow...

Link to tweet

[H2O Man]

19. The same general type

of scum as MTG, who lacks the capacity to tell the truth.

[The Grand Illuminist]

13. She is a casualty of war.

It still sickens me she had a military burial. Even moreso not one branch has ever recalled retired members who participated in this for court marshall. They are still getting all the benefits and pensions which should be righteously taken away.

[H2O Man]

20. Great points.

[Brenda]

16. I can't find sympathy for her

She was aware of what she was doing and exactly where she was doing it.

[H2O Man]

21. I have none .....

She was a dangerous fool.

[AngryOldDem]

30. Not a hero, just a dumbass.

[IcyPeas]

17. But (inebriated) Rudy says it was Antifa's fault

Today on Steve Bannon’s podcast, Rudy Giuliani accused Antifa of breaking into the Capitol on Jan. 6 and murdering Ashli Babbitt.

Link to tweet

[H2O Man]

22. Thank you for that!

My cousin called me during the hearing, and we shared a laugh about the descriptions of Rudy.

[Tarc]

23. Ashli Babbitt fucked around and found out

She met an end that any terrorist is deserving of.

Tots & pears.

[H2O Man]

27. Exactly right.

[AngryOldDem]

29. The Far Right's Horst Wessel.

[H2O Man]

32. Yes.

Very good!

[Ohio Joe]

35. Sadly... Her husband is still a true believer

He is being egged on by the usual right wing scumbags... Do a google news search for 'Ashli Babbit husband' and you'll see it but... Take care as it is some sick stuff. I expect the headlines that appear will tell enough of the sad story.

[H2O Man]

39. That's sad.

But not surprising. He may go to his grave believing she was a hero, rather than a fool.

[struggle4progress]

38. Woozy Giuli demands trial by combat! Ashli volunteers to champion his cause!

Ashli loses trial by combat! Woozy Giuli blames anti-fascists! Ashli's hubby explains Ashli was crawling through smashed window in valient effort to stop riot! Tuckums laments prejudice against Party of Window Smashers!

[H2O Man]

40. What a pathetic excuse

for a human being Rudy is. I was happy that the witnesses yesterday spoke frankly about him -- except for Jared. Speaking of pathetic excuses for a human being, that guy is one.

[AntiFascist]

41. Such a heroic martyr...NOT! n/t

[H2O Man]

42. Not in the least!

[malaise]

43. Here's I got maced Elizabeth

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I will never forget her - we're storming tje capitol...it's a revolution.

[H2O Man]

44. Even in a truly tragic day,

she was able to provide a giggle for millions of normal people.

[malaise]

45. One of my sisters and her hubby say they still

laugh at this one. And yes some of these naïve folks were prepared to die for that criminal con. That said Liz was not really prepared to be maced.

[TxGuitar]

46. She died because she was an idiot

There no subtext or trying to understand her. She was a pig and the world is better off with people like her dead.

[H2O Man]

48. Right.

My OP is about her family and friends, and if it has dawned on them that she died because she was stupid.

[JuJuChen]

47. play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[H2O Man]

49. True, that!