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Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:29 PM Jun 2022

Okay call me Pollyanish.. but this is the best I have felt about our politics and nation in a long

time.....

Yes I know.. gas is killing us.. inflation is the worse it has been in 40 years.. We are still dealing with the dregs of a pandemic..

BUT

Donald J Trump is being held accountable for his behaviors for the first time in his over privileged life..supporters are having to face up to the lies they have embraced!. Yes there is 30% or so who have their heads so far up the FOX backside, that they will believe anything Trump tells him.. but we are fencing the crazy in.. Thank you , finally, fencing them in

Also we are on the verge of moving something on guns. I am right there with David Hogg on this one. We look to actually be making inroads..

Maybe there is a wake up finally in a large part of the population that in unaligned or has finally seen the light

The January 6th committee is more than I could have ever dreamed them to be.

So far, so good..

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Okay call me Pollyanish.. but this is the best I have felt about our politics and nation in a long (Original Post) Peacetrain Jun 2022 OP
Even the old grumpy plumber feels a little better today. Chainfire Jun 2022 #1
Even Fox gave up the ghost and had the hearing on today Peacetrain Jun 2022 #6
A Congressional Committee is not holding anyone accountable. WarGamer Jun 2022 #2
I don't think he has a chance in hell running in 2024.. Peacetrain Jun 2022 #5
That struck me today. I have always said I will believe he will be convicted of anything Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #9
If he runs, he'll be the nominee. WarGamer Jun 2022 #20
The stock market is in bear territory SoonerPride Jun 2022 #3
why thank you Peacetrain Jun 2022 #4
Donald Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack Harvey Wineburger Jun 2022 #7
That was before the committee started downloading to the country all they had learned Peacetrain Jun 2022 #8
I have a sincere and honest question for you SoonerPride Jun 2022 #12
I think that is where they have been smart. They are doing two things which are equally important. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #17
I am sure polling will come out a month from now and we can see if anyone was persuaded SoonerPride Jun 2022 #18
Yes. That will tell us if their strategy worked. But it is a really smart approach. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #19
Yeah. Talk to me about this in two weeks when the hearings are included in the equation. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #11
Apathy is infecting the nation. We're desensitized to violence and Fascism. Oneironaut Jun 2022 #14
I'm with you Peacetrain Tumbulu Jun 2022 #10
Stay awake though. There is gonna be a backlash. Oneironaut Jun 2022 #13
I'm more optimistic. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #15
I wish I could be optimistic but all those laws passed by the repukes to stop people from voting Beaverhausen Jun 2022 #16
I am optimistic if we survive global warming Cicada Jun 2022 #21

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
6. Even Fox gave up the ghost and had the hearing on today
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:44 PM
Jun 2022

can you imagine what it is like to be around that person today.. he is probably throwing his big macs against the wall

WarGamer

(12,326 posts)
2. A Congressional Committee is not holding anyone accountable.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:35 PM
Jun 2022

There is no accountability without prosecution.

Look at the list of people Congress has referred to the DoJ over the last decade... it's long and mostly un-prosecuted.

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
5. I don't think he has a chance in hell running in 2024..
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:41 PM
Jun 2022

and every roadblock and reality check that we can throw up to stop that pariah.. is accountability that has never happened before.. and I will take it

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
9. That struck me today. I have always said I will believe he will be convicted of anything
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:02 PM
Jun 2022

when he is convicted of something. But watching today, it really does seem to me that he can never get elected again.

And that is a big deal.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
3. The stock market is in bear territory
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:36 PM
Jun 2022

and we most likely will have a recession just in time for midterms.

So why you feel positive is beyond me.

But bully for you.

 
7. Donald Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:48 PM
Jun 2022
(CNN)Former President Donald Trump still manages to dominate the political headlines, nearly a year and half after leaving office. On Thursday, the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol used its first prime-time hearing to make the case that Trump used his power to try and overturn the 2020 election result.

The committee faces political headwinds, however. A majority of Americans (55%) now believe that Trump was either not or only partially responsible for the rioters who overtook the Capitol, according to a recent NBC News poll. That's up from 47% in January 2021.
Trump's improving political position is where we begin today.

January 6 did little damage to Trump over the long term
Analysts like me remarked over and over again during Trump's time in office that he was one of, if not the most unpopular presidents. He left office with the lowest approval rating of any president at the end of his first term (39%) and the highest disapproval rating (58%) thanks in part to a late swoon following the events of January 6, 2021.
Today, Trump's polling position with Americans overall is one of his best, and he remains the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination.



https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/11/politics/donald-trump-january-6-democrats-moderate/index.html

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
8. That was before the committee started downloading to the country all they had learned
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

It will be interesting to see what peoples opinions are in a couple of weeks.. edit to add... that poll was from June 6th

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
12. I have a sincere and honest question for you
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:04 PM
Jun 2022

Do you really believe people have not already made up their minds about trump and January 6th and what happened?

Do you think these hearings will sway pro trump people to suddenly say "you know what, he IS a grifter and crook? I have been wrong about that guy all along!"

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
17. I think that is where they have been smart. They are doing two things which are equally important.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:18 PM
Jun 2022

First, they are creating the record of what happened. And they are doing that really well at bringing all the elements together in a very cohesive way. It is crucial that the truth of this comes out.

Second, and to answer your question, they are not trying to convince anyone but the few republiQans who can be convinced. They know we don't need convincing. They know 30% of the country cannot be convinced.

But there is a small percentage of republiQans who have not seen and heard the things you and I have. This presentation is aimed at convincing them and them only. That is why EVERY witness today was a republiQan. That is why they are presenting this the way they are. This is not aimed at people who can sit and parse a regular hearing. This is presented for people with short attention spans who are skeptical but who also smell something rotten.

I really do think there is a small percentage of people who can be swayed by this presentation in which dozens of their fellow party members are telling them what happened.

Now, where this will go I don't know. But it does make me think he can never get elected again. And that is a big deal.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
18. I am sure polling will come out a month from now and we can see if anyone was persuaded
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:21 PM
Jun 2022

I have my doubts.

But I think America is a cesspool of idiots and racists.

We will have to wait until after the Committee hearings and the polling that inevitably will follow.

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
19. Yes. That will tell us if their strategy worked. But it is a really smart approach.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:23 PM
Jun 2022

And we don't need many. Just a small percentage to upend the current tight balance of power.

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
11. Yeah. Talk to me about this in two weeks when the hearings are included in the equation.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:03 PM
Jun 2022

But this does show the importance of charges and hearings being conducted in a timely way.

Tumbulu

(6,268 posts)
10. I'm with you Peacetrain
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:02 PM
Jun 2022

Just every day having Biden President has been the largest relief of my life.

And these hearings are really something.

Oneironaut

(5,479 posts)
13. Stay awake though. There is gonna be a backlash.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jun 2022

There is going to be intense anger on the Trump side if he has repercussions.

We have to, though. Trump belongs in jail.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
15. I'm more optimistic.
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jun 2022

The committee has put together a brilliant case.

This is why I like the John Adams quote that’s my sigline.

Beaverhausen

(24,469 posts)
16. I wish I could be optimistic but all those laws passed by the repukes to stop people from voting
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jun 2022

we may still win the votes but lose at the ballot boxes

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
21. I am optimistic if we survive global warming
Mon Jun 13, 2022, 11:02 PM
Jun 2022

In the long run we will probably get fusion power plants to work. That will eliminate poverty. The cost of energy will be pennies. Or we will figure out how to drill deep for an affordable price, so the heat of the earth will provide cheap clean energy. That would reduce poverty. I think money worries will go away.

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