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Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:19 PM Jun 2022

A worrying phone call adds to concerns about Sen. Dianne Feinstein's cognitive health

Journalist Rebecca Traister set out to write a profile of the oldest sitting U.S. senator, Dianne Feinstein of California, who turns 89 on June 22. And while Traister's feature piece does center on Feinstein's long and storied career, it also evokes questions about the senator's cognitive health.

NPR's All Things Considered spoke with Traister, a writer for The Cut, about a worrying call she had with Feinstein two days after the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

"It felt to me to be deeply disconnected from the very urgent and chilling realities that we are very much in the midst of," Traister said on All Things Considered.

Traister had that 30-minute phone conversation with Feinstein in the course of her reporting for her feature piece, titled "Dianne Feinstein, the Institutionalist." She wrote:

Nothing she said suggested a deterioration beyond what would be normal for a person her age, but neither did it demonstrate any urgent engagement with the various crises facing the nation. ... Every question I asked — about the radicalization of the GOP, the end of Roe, the failures of Congress — was met with a similar sunny imperviousness, evincing an undiminished belief in institutional power that may in fact explain a lot about where Feinstein and other Democratic leaders have gone wrong.

With the U.S. grappling with various crises and at a tense political moment with the expected overturning of Roe v. Wade, the optimism felt out of place.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104843151/senator-dianne-feinstein-cognitive-health-continues-to-raise-concerns-traister

I'm quite concerned about both her and Chuck Grassley's connection to reality. OTOH, Pat Leahy and Bernie Sanders seem very grounded.

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A worrying phone call adds to concerns about Sen. Dianne Feinstein's cognitive health (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 OP
She is absolutely NOTHING like Grassley, who is a Trump tool emulatorloo Jun 2022 #1
But he's not all there now. Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #2
There is no evidence Grassley "isn't all there". SharonClark Jun 2022 #13
I can remember him Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #43
I'm not really in favor of setting a number and saying that Haggard Celine Jun 2022 #3
My vote would be that you must retire before your 80th birthday. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #7
Nope. Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #44
We have a minimum age in the constitution. PTWB Jun 2022 #17
So what would happen if Feinstein (or any other Dem Senator) WestMichRad Jun 2022 #4
Wouldn't the governor of the state appointment a replacement? SoonerPride Jun 2022 #8
Why? iemanja Jun 2022 #10
Quick in a hurry, too! n/t shanti Jun 2022 #14
I often multitask during a lengthy phone conversation. lpbk2713 Jun 2022 #5
Dianne has not seemed to me Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #6
Her husband died in February. I wouldn't be 'right' either. She still shows up to vote and does emulatorloo Jun 2022 #28
She really needs to retire and let Newsom appoint someone to finish her term. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2022 #9
+1000 alittlelark Jun 2022 #12
Nonsense. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #16
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #22
Her husband died back in March Sympthsical Jun 2022 #25
RIP war profiteer. alittlelark Jun 2022 #27
It is not "ageist" to say you see evidence of cognitive decline. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #11
+100 Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 #42
A total hit-job from a polemicist Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #15
It is possible to ... PTWB Jun 2022 #18
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #24
A Democrat would replace her Sympthsical Jun 2022 #26
Not one with her seniority. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #31
Exactly. I saw the "institutional" references and the predictable Nixie Jun 2022 #29
Something in the water of Vermont? question everything Jun 2022 #19
Feinstein's level of concern not equalling interviewer's does not indicate cognitive decline Raven123 Jun 2022 #20
With older incumbents it gets complicated Buckeyeblue Jun 2022 #21
89 IcyPeas Jun 2022 #23
As a Senator from the biggest state in the country I haven't seen her in front of the camera jalan48 Jun 2022 #30
She is a workhorse, not a show horse. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #32
Out of curiosity what big issues is she working on? Is anything of importance being passed in the jalan48 Jun 2022 #34
Here is a link To Dianne Feinstein's top agenda items: Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #35
This is a website. I'm talking about Feinstein standing up before constituents discussing jalan48 Jun 2022 #36
What leads you to believe that Dianne Feinstein doesn't appear in public? Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #38
Baseless attacks that could be easily put to rest? Good question. jalan48 Jun 2022 #39
I read the article last week and thought it was very fair tishaLA Jun 2022 #33
I always heard that when she was mayor of San Francisco Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #37
If I remember the article correctly, she got it after tishaLA Jun 2022 #40
I had never heard that but Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #41

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
13. There is no evidence Grassley "isn't all there".
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jun 2022

He’s an asshole, always has been, but he no longer tries to hide it.

I don’t think anyone should hold these high offices after their 75th birthday. We have a minimum age requirement and need a maximum age - for POTUS, Supreme Court, and Congress.

I’m tired if these old farts who have been in office for years and still campaign that they are the ones who will solve all our problems.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
43. I can remember him
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 10:07 AM
Jun 2022

many years ago when he was actually a sort of decent guy. Oh, down the road GOP, but still could be reasoned with. He's changed a lot, and not just politically. How old are you, and how long have you been observing politics?

Haggard Celine

(16,835 posts)
3. I'm not really in favor of setting a number and saying that
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:30 PM
Jun 2022

no one can serve after this age. People age differently, and mental state is what's important. But I think Feinstein should probably have quit two terms ago. She's deteriorated a lot over the last several years, and it's time for her to make her exit.

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
7. My vote would be that you must retire before your 80th birthday.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:45 PM
Jun 2022

I know many 80 year olds may still be 100 percent cognitively, but I’ll stick to this even if I’m called ageist.

WestMichRad

(1,317 posts)
4. So what would happen if Feinstein (or any other Dem Senator)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jun 2022

… was to be unable to serve any longer in the Senate? The number of sitting senators would at least temporarily be 50 R, 49 D… so Moscow Mitch would retake the majority leader’s gavel?

Ugh!

lpbk2713

(42,740 posts)
5. I often multitask during a lengthy phone conversation.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:34 PM
Jun 2022


And when my attention wanders away I don't suspect mental deterioration.

The journalist might be a little quick at drawing a conclusion.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
6. Dianne has not seemed to me
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jun 2022

to be "right" at all in recent months. She just seems.....disconnected....every time I have seen her on TV. And I do have some familiarity with people deteriorating mentally, having experienced it not only with parents but many patients of long term over the years.

emulatorloo

(44,070 posts)
28. Her husband died in February. I wouldn't be 'right' either. She still shows up to vote and does
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jun 2022

her job. Unlike some Senators.

Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #16)

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
25. Her husband died back in March
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:18 PM
Jun 2022

And oftentimes the death of a long time spouse can accelerate decline.

I voted for the other Democrat in the Senate race precisely for this reason. There is an impulse in politicians to just grasp and hold onto power for as long as humanly possible that I find undemocratic.

"Only they have the institutional knowledge!!!!"

Yeah. How's that been going for us.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
27. RIP war profiteer.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:32 PM
Jun 2022

Given the post I am replying to, WHY r u supporting Feinstein ( OK, she's a Dem, but not a good one)?

It is OBVIOUS that she should step down for the good of the country.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
11. It is not "ageist" to say you see evidence of cognitive decline.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:49 PM
Jun 2022

Especially when it is from multiple sources and multiple events.

This is not to be conflated with idiotic right wing attacks on Biden, who under any circumstance can speak, walk, function, all at a very high level and that is evident to anyone watching.

Feinstein on the other hand is apparently in steep cognitive decline and if those closest to her are saying it then it is most likely true.

She should be urged to retire and let Newsom get her replacement appointed.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
15. A total hit-job from a polemicist
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:11 PM
Jun 2022

Rebecca Traister is an avowed socialist whose politals bias (and antipathy for Feinstein) was not acknowledged in this biased NPR story.

Really disgusting.

Support Democrats.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
18. It is possible to ...
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:29 PM
Jun 2022

both support Democrats and be concerned about potential cognitive issues in a person who represents tens of millions of people directly, and hundreds of millions indirectly.

Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #15)

Sympthsical

(9,041 posts)
26. A Democrat would replace her
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:20 PM
Jun 2022

It is supporting Democrats to say we would like a more capable Democrat to serve our interests now.

There is no danger to the party here.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
31. Not one with her seniority.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:16 PM
Jun 2022

Feinstein has been a beacon of wisdom in the Senate and she's represented California with distinction.

She is also known to have one of the most capable staffs in the Senate. Hers would be big shoes to fill.

NPR should have at least cued listeners to Rebecca Traister's very deep bias against mainstream Democrats like Dianne Feinstein.

This was a total hit job on a great Democrat.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
29. Exactly. I saw the "institutional" references and the predictable
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:46 PM
Jun 2022
misinformation campaign started, which is just a waste of time to read at this point. Feinstein sounds like she was just placating the obvious agenda with detached interest herself. Smart move.

And “the other Democrat” who ran against her in the Senate race failed miserably in the Los Angeles mayor race, so that message is sent. Even locals who know him best rejected him. He didn’t even get 10%.

Edit; thanks for the info about the biased author.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
21. With older incumbents it gets complicated
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:42 PM
Jun 2022

They have a loyal staff that will always defend them and make them look good, as they should. They are typically leaders in their state's political party. Many of them probably have more influence the states' governors.

The only way to remove them would be to have a primary challenger beat them. Most aren't willing to risk their political future by doing so. And it's a crazy uphill battle.

Some people are quick to acknowledge when they're not as sharp on their feet. Others refuse to acknowledge it.

Families deal with this type of thing all the time.

IcyPeas

(21,842 posts)
23. 89
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:10 PM
Jun 2022

89

you know what? I think that's old. Does that make me ageist?

I cannot think of many other jobs where you can work until this age.












jalan48

(13,842 posts)
30. As a Senator from the biggest state in the country I haven't seen her in front of the camera
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jun 2022

leading the charge on any issue. Why is she there?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
32. She is a workhorse, not a show horse.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jun 2022

Dianne Feinstein has been a very effective Senator for those of us in California.

I hold her in the highest esteem.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
34. Out of curiosity what big issues is she working on? Is anything of importance being passed in the
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jun 2022

Senate? Has she been holding town halls to discuss the current problem with the lack of action in the Senate on getting bills passed? Given her longevity, I'm sure she must be frustrated with the current Republican Party.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
35. Here is a link To Dianne Feinstein's top agenda items:
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/

He's always working hard for the people of California and the nation.

Thanks for asking.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
36. This is a website. I'm talking about Feinstein standing up before constituents discussing
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:58 PM
Jun 2022

the issues and taking questions. It would seem she would want to appear in public forums to show voters that concerns about her mental abilities are baseless. She's a politician, politician's appear in public and interact with citizens.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
38. What leads you to believe that Dianne Feinstein doesn't appear in public?
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:05 PM
Jun 2022

I'm a CA voter and I'm more concerned about baseless attacks on her that come from those with an ideological axe to grind than I am in her mental capacity--which is fine.



tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
33. I read the article last week and thought it was very fair
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jun 2022

It hails her history and legacy while also recognizing that many of the fights she's been involved in--abortion rights (although that was FAR more complicated than I knew), gun control, LGBTQ issues--are either up for grabs or regressing now. And part of Traister's thesis is that being an institutionalist inherently permits that kind of backsliding.

One of my favorite anecdotes:

In 1993, Idaho Republican Larry Craig challenged her by saying, “The gentlelady from California needs to become a little bit more familiar with firearms and their deadly characteristics.” In response, Feinstein said, “I am quite familiar with firearms. I became mayor as a product of assassination. I found my assassinated colleague and put a finger through a bullet hole trying to get a pulse. I was trained in the shooting of a firearm when I had terrorist attacks, with a bomb in my house, when my husband was dying, when I had windows shot out. Senator, I know something about what firearms can do.”


All in all, it's a long, largely sympathetic portrait.

Mr.Bill

(24,244 posts)
37. I always heard that when she was mayor of San Francisco
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:04 PM
Jun 2022

she held a concealed carry permit and had training for it.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
40. If I remember the article correctly, she got it after
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:39 PM
Jun 2022

someone placed a bomb outside her daughter's window. It didn't detonate because of something weather-related, but then-Mayor Feinstein faced constant threats on her life.

Mr.Bill

(24,244 posts)
41. I had never heard that but
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 07:45 PM
Jun 2022

it's certainly believable.

I lived near SF when she was mayor and watched local news from that city. Someone there wrote an article about her calling her a "cop groupie", which I think was not a fair statement. It did seem that whenever there was an event requiring a lot of police to show up she would quickly arrive. I think she just took a strong interest in the actions of the city police, which any mayor should do. Of course, no one would call a male mayor a cop groupie.

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