When is Slut Shaming or Outing Appropriate

[Effete Snob]

There is a thread involving the sexual and reproductive history of a female politician.

It is considered “appropriate” because of hypocrisy.

I am interested in whether there is a general consensus around slut shaming or outing, when it is done to people we don’t like. The terms of service don’t seem to address this type of issue.

[snowybirdie]

1. I don't think

ever. We should focus on the bad policies. Its sexist to slut shame, etc. Were better than the other side.

[Tree-Hugger]

2. It's not okay nt

[vsrazdem]

3. I see nothing wrong with pointing out the total hypocrisy of said politition, especially

since she is already unfit to hold office just because she is a total idiot.

[msongs]

4. first of all where's the evidence the claims are true?

[unweird]

5. Perhaps this would be helpful info to her constituents

Not that they are bothered by the hypocrisy but they do dabble in judging others by such benchmarks.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

6. In the case of this particular female politician, the shaming is appropriate.

Due to her tweets shaming parents if they take their children to Drag Shows, shaming those who do not have Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and so much more. Look at her voting record and behavior in Congress. Shameful indeed.

In other words, the PERFECT candidate the GOP is hungry for. But the S word part goes a tad too far.

[Effete Snob]

8. She deserves it? She was asking for it?

[ProudMNDemocrat]

11. Not the S word part. But she is a HYPOCRITE.

[Effete Snob]

79. Who isn't?

I’m impressed by how many people have achieved living sainthood and do not aspire to be better than they are because they have reached alignment between their real self and their ideal self.

[CrackityJones75]

106. I am hypocritical sometimes

We can all be hypocrites.

The difference is that I am not looking to lock people up for doing the things that I am hypocritical about. So there’s that.

[tavernier]

192. Doesn't count. She's not ashamed of anything.

She’s proud of it, and knows her followers are too.
She would be much more offended if we called her a feminist with a university degree.

[BannonsLiver]

7. I'll take people named Kimberly Guiffoyle for $500, Ken.

[Nevilledog]

10. Boebert

[blm]

19. 😁

[SergeStorms]

9. There's always the "Alert" button.

Let the Mods sort it out.

[Tetrachloride]

14. they might

[canetoad]

93. The jury already has

And the post was not hidden. You'd think a lawyer would stand by the jury decision.

[gldstwmn]

98. I thought the jury process was secret? How do you know that?

[Polybius]

120. Whoops!

n/t

[gldstwmn]

121. The source of the story is promoting Boebert's Republican opponent and none of the Dems

running for that seat. I do not know how that can't be considered a right wing source.

[gldstwmn]

96. If you read the OP they point out this is a gray area for alerts.

[SergeStorms]

109. Do you mean.....

the "terms of service"? I've never heard it put that way before and it doesn't say anything about alerts.
Thanks for attempting to reprimand me though.

[Effete Snob]

112. Look at the bottom of this page

…or any page at DU.

Do you see where it says “Terms of Service”?

It goes to this page:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

That page - the terms of service - contains several rules. When you send an alert, those rules are copied to you and you are asked which of the rules in the terms of service you believe to be violated by the post.

[gldstwmn]

117. That isn't what I was trying to do at all.

[Pantagruel]

12. There's over 100 k posts on DU

slut shaming Trump if you think about it. His moral character/hypocrisy is worse than Boebert by miles. We can't exclude "slut shaming" .

[gratuitous]

15. Let's approach this from another angle

If we're dedicated to the proposition that it's not appropriate to "slut shame" or "out" any person, does that make it acceptable for someone not so afflicted by conscience or moral standards to engage in "slut shaming" or "outing" without fear of reprisal? Does calling out such a person's history of similar behavior equate to "slut shaming" or "outing," or is it more properly categorized as pointing out their hypocrisy?

[Farmer-Rick]

29. Exactly, there is an old saying

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

This person has slut shamed, outed others and other much worse things. She's just getting back some of what she gave out.

[Ms. Toad]

56. Have all of the others with a similar history on DU "dished it out?"

You can't slut shame someone without sending a message of shame to anyone with a similar background.

[kcr]

64. Who on DU is advocating to make abortion illegal?

I can't remember the last time I saw that here.

[Ms. Toad]

65. Not the question.

The question is who, on DU has had an abortion.

[kcr]

68. It is absolutely the question

You're trying to compare apples and oranges. It isn't "slut shaming" to point out hypocrisy. It's not the fact she had an abortion, it's the fact she thinks she's the only one with that right while taking that right away from everyone else. We're supposed to ignore that? I don't think so.

[Ms. Toad]

102. When you use abortion to shame someone,

Regardless of why you SAY is the reason you are using abortion as a thing of shame, you inherently reinforce the shame many women who have had abortions feel.

It is the same as using gay as a thing of shame, when you say you are just pointing out hypocrisy, or misgendering as a thing of shame, when you say you are just pointing out hyprocisy.

You can't use something as a battering ram without battering all battering all people to whom that circumstance applies (being female, being fat, being gay, or having had an abortion).

[kcr]

108. No one is shaming her abortion

They're shaming her hypocrisy. How is this hard? She chose to be a hypocrite. There is no reason why anyone should have to ignore that and pretend that isn't the case. I'm sorry, but you haven't even come close to making a case otherwise.

[Ms. Toad]

110. The same reason it is hard for people to understand that you can't use gay as an insult

without telling all of us LGBGT folks what you really think of us.

I'm done playing the "it's just pointing out hypocrisy" game. People on DU should not need it explained over and over and over again.

[kcr]

111. No

People who point out that Boebert is a hypocrite for banning abortion even though she's had one, are not the same as people who use gay slurs. I'm not going to agree with browbeating and shaming DUers into ignoring when a politician is being a hypocrite. You can keep trying it, but I don't think you'll get anywhere.

[AntiFascist]

167. Once again your argument makes no sense, and we don't need it LGBTQ-splained to us...

especially when we are LGBTQ ourselves. Outing someone who is being a hypocrite on gay issues does NOT mean that we are insulting them for being gay. It simply means that we view them as being a hypocrite. If they were forced to come to terms with their sexuality then that would be a good thing, and they might then change their attitude.

[Ms. Toad]

195. You are speaking with a lesbian.

And, in case you aren't aware of it, there is a fair amount of misogyny in the gay mens' community.

Calling a man (gay or not) by a woman's name, when he has not given you - specifically - permission to do so is misogynistic. If you don't like it, take it elsewhere, or take it up with EarlG.

[AntiFascist]

198. And where exactly have I called a man by a woman's name without their permission?

I used the term "Lady Bug" in a previous post on another thread. If you don't understand what that refers to, then you need to do more research. It does not refer to a woman's name, it refers to a self-described part of someone's anatomy.

[Ms. Toad]

225. The quote from EarlG which I posted was specifically telling people

to "please knock off the "Lindsey Graham is gay/a woman" jokes."

You complained about EarlG's restrictions. Seem pretty clear that whether you have in the past - or simply want to - you believe that "Lindsey Graham is gay/a woman" jokes should be fair game. They are not, at least here.

[AntiFascist]

226. I have not been using the gay slur toward Lindsey Graham that you seem to be referring to...

but I still feel that it is fair game to go after Graham for his hypocritical (alleged) encounters with gay escorts, sans jokes. That is all I intended with my complaint, and EarlG hasn't restricted my posts.

[Farmer-Rick]

148. That analogy is rediculus

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You can't point out hypocrisy and abuse of others because then you are a hypocrite and abusing others too?

No, if you stand back and let abusive people walk all over you, you are adding to the problem. Fighting back to protect yourself and your rights is not the same as taking away rights. Your analogy assumes everyone is on a level playing field and they are not.

[Thtwudbeme]

152. The only people that will be shaming this woman for having abortions are the Conservatives

Normally, I agree with you. However Boebert has shamed many women indirectly with her inane policies.

If I had had abortions and felt ashamed of them because of societal or religious pressures, learning this nutjob had a couple AND was an unlicensed escort very well might make me feel better.

Lauren could have used her experiences to uplift women- but she is a trashy uneducated grifter- and frankly voters need to know the truth about her.

[Effete Snob]

202. How about spreading unverified facts?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors?ref=home

Liberals Rush to Spread Bogus Lauren Boebert Escort and Abortion Rumors
TOO GOOD TO CHECK

Democrats say they’re proof of Boebert’s hypocrisy. But they’re getting conned themselves.

[Thtwudbeme]

208. I haven't spread anything

Let's see if she sues this group that put out the report.

[Effete Snob]

70. We'll find out when we need to

The point is that any woman who has had an abortion should take away that it will be used against them if and when circumstances make it necessary to control them.

That’s the sort of world we are trying to build.

[kcr]

72. When do we "need to?"

After women are dying? If this is true, there is no reason to ignore her hypocrisy, and every reason to point it out. Lives are at stake.

[Effete Snob]

73. When it becomes necessary

As apparently it has with Boebert.

Women need to understand that they can’t just do one thing and say another without consequences. That is what I have learned from this.

[kcr]

75. The one doing one thing and saying another

Is Lauren Boebert.

[Effete Snob]

76. She's not the only one

Roe v. Wade was premised on a right to privacy.

What I gather here is that we don’t really believe in that right of privacy unless the person deserves it. It is a conditional right based on one’s lack of hypocrisy.

So, yes, supporting women’s right to privacy on a selective basis is precisely saying one thing and doing another.

[kcr]

80. No one here has violated her privacy.

If a medical professional leaked it, they should face the consequences. But it's ridiculous to claim those who are pointing out her hypocrisy are violating her privacy. Once that info is out there, no one is under any obligation to ignore it, particularly when it's a politician.

[JI7]

126. If they are public figures that have a say in these issues . They shoudn't run for public office

otherwise .

[Ms. Toad]

103. Yes - but we should not be sending that message

by using abortion as a weapon.

[Effete Snob]

107. Stay in line and there's no problem

[Thtwudbeme]

154. Abortion is already a weapon, and has been for a very long time.

I am sorry; I understand your position on this. But I think you are wrong this time around.

[inthewind21]

163. I beg to differ

I, like just about everyone on the planet have "things" in my background that were unpleasant, to say the least. However, I do not allow words to cause me continual shame from now until eternity. I am at peace with my past and decisions made or things that happened TO me. And I certainly don't need or want ANYONE to preach to others on how I feel. It's no different than those who intentionally try and cause shame by preaching your evils while all along they practice those same evils.

[Ms. Toad]

194. It is nice that you have matured to that point.

Not everyone has, and it is those people whose own internal shame (even when not merited) who will be hurt by using who they are (or what they have done) as weapons against our enemies.

What they hear, when you do that, is "they think those acts/characteristics are vile and disgusting, and they would reject me if they knew I shared them with" Boebert, Graham, etc.

Being careless about how your words hurt even people you consider your friends is not anything I associate with liberals and progressives. And misogyny (including slut shaming), homophobia, transhostility are not consistent with participation in DU, if the TOS is to be believed.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

16. I'm very interested...

with the connection to a Koch bros executive & Cruz. Plus the massive cash infusion from Cruz into her campaign. Also, boebert might want to tone down the AOC bartender slurs.

[Hassler]

17. This

[canetoad]

94. +1

I'd also like to know.

[Thtwudbeme]

18. Stating that the woman was a paid sex worker and had abortions

is extremely appropriate for her constituents to know. Just as photos of Madison Cawthorne in lingerie and the stories about his boyfriend were.

Sorry- but, voters need to know exactly whom they are voting for.

[leftieNanner]

33. I have clearly missed something in the news cycle

Because I have no idea what you are talking about - nor do I know who is being referenced in this entire thread.

Care to enlighten me here please?

[Bev54]

44. I am with you, I obviously missed the post

[Trueblue1968]

50. INFO is on Twitter : Lauren Boebert was a paid escort and had two abortions. BOEBERT is trending

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVO8YA2WYAAP8S4?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVOzo9uVUAIKFLC?format=jpg&name=medium

[Blaukraut]

92. Exactly. There is nothing wrong with being paid for sex and having abortions, BUT!

Don't be a hypocrite about it. Don't pass laws criminalizing actions you yourself have freely participated in without being penalized.

[Effete Snob]

203. ...is irresponsible

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors?ref=home

Liberals Rush to Spread Bogus Lauren Boebert Escort and Abortion Rumors
TOO GOOD TO CHECK

Democrats say they’re proof of Boebert’s hypocrisy. But they’re getting conned themselves.

[rogue emissary]

20. I don't see those threads as slut shaming.

She may have lied about her past and demonized women that have done the same thing to survive.

When it comes to medical records. If you vote on other ability to get low cost insulin or cut funding to Planed Parenthood. You're medical history is game.

She has the right to abstain from voting on any bill that regulates medical treatment or cost. If she would like to keep her medical history private.

[Bristlecone]

21. Do not like it at all.

[Scrivener7]

22. What is her legislative position on abortion? We don't know if the allegations

are true, but if they are and she is making abortion inaccessible to everyone else after availing herself of the right, I do find that interesting.

But I get your point.

If I were in possession of the information about her, I would not release it.

But I do not feel morally compromised in pointing to the hypocrisy of her actions now that someone else has released it if it turns out to be true.

And those Koch and Cruz connections are information that the public should have.

[Jack the Greater]

23. To paraphrase James Carville

"It's the hypocrisy, stupid"... no offense intended.

[gldstwmn]

97. Said when a president was being persecuted for his sex life when it wasn't anyone's business

and the other side was no better. Ken Starr for one.

[mzmolly]

24. The person you speak of is a danger to democracy. That is a far greater shame.

I don't give two shits about her personal life.

[gldstwmn]

100. She's already being investigated by the state for fraud.

Her guilt is pretty much a foregone conclusion. The humiliation factor associated with the other assertions are unsettling.

[JI7]

123. Exactly, This isn't a private individual. It's a public figure that has a say in our country's

policy matters . And this shows she is a huge hypocrite.

[mzmolly]

131. Fully agree.

[luvallpeeps]

25. It isn't right.

The right has stolen 3 Supreme Court justice seats. They are poised to take away women’s right to bodily autonomy. We have taken below the belt hits again, and again, and again. Our kids are being slaughtered in their schools. The politician in question live tweeted Nancy Pelosi’s location while the angry mob was closing in on her. Of all the messed up things happening in politics right now, this doesn’t register with me. I don’t know whether any of the accusations are true, and to be honest, they probably won’t matter to the hypocrites who will vote for her anyway.

[Sympthsical]

26. This is a very interesting door to open.

As a gay man, I've already lived through years of hearing, "It's not that they're gay, it's the hypocrisy!" as cause for ostensible allies to get their homophobia on against political opponents. "It's the hypocrisy!" is usually accompanying someone being a crappy person and weaponizing bigotry.

And I do get the argument. I just don't think it justifies anything enough.

That said. This will be interesting (and a grand occasion for everyone's inner puritan to slut shame as a delicious bonus). If a woman's abortion history is fair play, be prepared. What will the public find to be "too many" abortions? Two? Three? Maybe someone is pro-choice, but if they see a politician has had three abortions, maybe that will color their views. Maybe they will start judging (which we all know voters never ever do).

So, if people want that door open . . .

The person in question is pretty much as terrible a human being as we get in office. But when I saw the posts, I instinctively flinched and said, "No no no no no . . ."

It'll bite back. Always does. And people will freak out on that inevitable occasion.

[Effete Snob]

32. Thank you for your perspective

[inthewind21]

166. That door is already

Wide open. "pro-life" groups have been protesting and stalking for a looooooong time. If you think it's guaranteed private, I have a waterfront property in Arizona for sale!

[Jerry2144]

27. Only appropriate on the 32nd of the month of never

If we cut slack due to hypocrisy, then the next person will do a carve out for something else. Pretty soon this becomes accepted. Sex is normal. And if it’s between consenting adults it is no one’s business. Same with getting an abortion. That is no one’s business except for the person who had it and the medical personnel who assisted in the procedure. Any one else is up to the patient to tell if they want to.

[inthewind21]

169. In theory

you are correct. However, the "pro-life" hypocrits" have been stalking women going into clinics and making public their info for a very long time. Getting license plates and showing up at your house. Taking out ads in local papers and publishing your name and address , harassing you relentlessly, etc. So I have no problem with this. Clearly there seems to be some on this thread that think abortions, no matter who is involved, is kept strictly private. Yes, that's the idea, but it's not been the reality for MANY women for years and years now. And personally, I will not be bullied into submission by the likes of the "do as I say not as I do" crowd. So yes, outing the likes of Boebart is perfectly acceptable That said, I would have been perfectly fine keeping it all "private" and I would have defended Boebart or anyone else. But, they (the do as I say not as I do crowd) set the rules of the game. Don't get all butt hurt when I play by them.

[bucolic_frolic]

28. Hypocrisy, blackmail, judgment are issues here

This is inappropriate in an officeholder unless they ran publicly with those issues when elected.

[Mz Pip]

30. Mixed feelings about this

I doubt someone like Boebert would have any problem outing an LGBTQ student by the school to their parents, or outing an abortion provider knowing full well they will be subjected to harassment.

I’m hesitant to spread this stuff about Bobo because I have no idea if it’s true and medical records should be private regardless of how awful the person is.

[Scrivener7]

34. This is a real concern. The story said none of the information came from

Planned Parenthood, which is a relief. If any of it HAD come from them, I would seriously think about stopping my monthly donation.

[Caliman73]

31. Why would it be slut shaming?

It is hypocrisy shaming.

I don't need to know that Boebert was an escort. Escorts are not sluts. They are paid professionals who provide a service. Calling an escort a slut is moralizing. Women are free to engage in whatever relationships they want to with whom they want to and as often as they want to. My major concerns about sex work is the possible exploitation because of the power imbalance in society.

I certainly do not look down on women who practice their sexuality according to their own choices.

I do look down on anyone who engages in behavior, then tries to moralize and cast judgement on others. I look down on people who try to take away rights and freedoms from others after having engaged in those very same behaviors.

You know who I really dislike? Augustine of Hippo. That asshole debauched himself almost his entire life, then had some conversion and imposed his new found prudishness on the Christian world. A lot of the sexual hangups present today are a result of his influence on Christianity. That guy is the worst.

[SoonerPride]

54. +1000

[Kaleva]

35. There's a difference between people u don't like and and an enemy of democracy & basic human rights

[Effete Snob]

37. That's why it's necessary to dehumanize them first

I agree that they need to be categorized as something other than merely human.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

36. It's a dunk without putting points on the board. If a politician was a sex worker and now runs on

conservative values, outing them as a former sex worker in an effort to highlight their hypocrisy does little but weaponize -- and thus strengthen -- the stigma against sex workers. Same with abortion. Do people really give a shit about politicians' hypocrisy, in this day and age? Seriously?

[ColinC]

39. 100% agreed.

People trying to use this are likely to do more harm than good.

[gldstwmn]

101. We would be wise to stay far away from this cup of polonium tea.

[ColinC]

38. If she ever preached against prostitution, I imagine it is hypocritical

Of course she preached against abortion, so: hypocrisy. Unfortunately I think many of these attacks seem closer to slut shaming regardless of the level of hypocrisy involved.

[ecstatic]

40. Is the person a traitor who should have been expelled from Congress

and sent to prison? Is the shaming occurring due to that person trying to take away the rights of others? Is the shaming happen out of frustration that people are not being held accountable in congress and elsewhere? If the answer to all 3 is yes, then yes, it's appropriate. At a certain point, we have to put the butter knives away and fight fire with fire.

[inthewind21]

171. Bingo

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Same thing with "punching down" ya know?

Not cool with trans, gay or other marginalized people, but ok with laughing at poor people, uneducated people, people with bad teeth, people who live in trailers, people who live in the south. People who shop at Walmart….

Somehow that’s funny and not punching down. Smh.

[mcar]

42. This is a woman who actively works to take human rights

away from other women. If it is true that she availed herself of reproductive rights, then she is a hypocrite who needs to be called out. She also preaches "family values."

We cannot let these hypocrites get away with this. Pointing out their hypocrisy is not outing or slut shaming.

[H2O Man]

43. Interesting.

I read that OP/thread, then this one. I don't have anything close to an answer on this, and opt to respect everyone's right to their opinion.

I do remember when Gary Hart's presidential campaign was knee-capped by a picture of him with Donna Rice on the good ship Monkey Business. And Bill Clinton being impeached for lying about a blow job. There were attacks on the reputation of the late President Kennedy for what he may or may not have done outside of his marriage. So it is really nothing new, and I don't think it is any better or worse to focus on a female politician. For politics isn't a pillow fight.

Speaking of fights, perhaps the only topic that I know much about, Now, I boxed in 329 fights -- which may explain why I'm not very smart. I can honestly say that I never intentionally fouled an opponent first. But, if fouled, if it was evident that the referee was not willing to address it, I would. And the opponent always got the message, very clearly.

[Jirel]

45. Get off the high horse.

We all know you’re talking about Boebert.

It’s not homophobic to call out a politician whose politics are violently anti-gay, but who has a long history of gay hookups on every site out there. It’s calling out a liar and a hypocrite.

It’s not slut shaming to call out a politician who screams about abortion being murder, and who claims she champions “christian family values,” but who quite literally slept her way to political contacts as a sex worker, and who has had two of those “evil” abortions herself ‘cuz somehow it’s different if SHE does it. It’s calling out a liar and a hypocrite.

Full stop.

[Effete Snob]

48. I wanted other people's fucking opinions

So I fucking asked for them.

I don’t have a fucking horse.

Not taking orders from you. Sorry.

[Jirel]

150. Nice troll.

Calling out hypocrisy on DU has only been a fine tradition forever. Your claim that you were just asking for an opinion rather than concern-trolling is about as believable as Rudy claiming he was only drinking Diet Pepsi.

[inthewind21]

173. Bravo!

Now, let's discuss if it's appropriate to use profanity publicly.

[Scrivener7]

58. You couldn't answer a legitimate question without a personal insult?

How quaint.

[Jirel]

149. You can't tell concern-trolling from a legitimate question?

How quaint.

[Scrivener7]

156. I can. I can also suss out misogyny pretty quick.

[ProfessorGAC]

162. You Sure?

Because your post makes me suspect you're not as good at it as you think.

[Scrivener7]

200. Yep. I'm sure.

[BlackSkimmer]

190. Yet you did insult the poster.

Always a weak riposte to counter with an insult.

[treestar]

46. It is not due to not liking them

It's that they say the rules should be thus, so shouldn't they follow them?

[madinmaryland]

47. It's hypocrisy IF what is alleged she did actually happened.

I see a random post from the internets alleging this. If this was gotten from wherever this happened I cannot condone that. It’s medical records.

She is clearly a pro-birther and nearly all other far right policies, so we shall see what comes out of this.

[Trueblue1968]

49. TELL THE TRUTH. If "Miss B" was a prostitute, her Biography needs to state that.

SHE IS A HYPOCRITE.

[madaboutharry]

51. This outing is disturbing on its face.

I think it is universally agreed, at least among democrats and people here on DU, the Boebert is a simpleton and a very destructive voice in government. And perhaps, if this story is actually true, there is a law in Colorado that she broke by working as an escort without a license. That part of this story, imo, is fair game. It makes her a scofflaw.

But I find it very troubling that someone somewhere thought it was ok to disclose that she had two abortions. Yes, it is hypocrisy. But this is still troubling when it comes to the entire issue of women being shamed for making the choice to have an abortion. I feel there is no way to have it both ways.

[Tetrachloride]

59. I agree. Shaming abortions is a risky idea for pro choice DU

Even among my male status, I am aware of many who could not have an abortion for medical or social reasons.

Those who told me their stories appreciate my listening.

[JI7]

52. If they want to take away rights from others such as abortion rights, opposs gay rights

[Trueblue1968]

53. and her husband is a pervert

Lauren Boebert is against background checks because her perv husband likes to expose his genitals to minors and she represents his interests, not ours. Every GOP senator should be asked in a simple yes or no question if they think pedos like Boebert's husband deserve firearms.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVNuIdkX0AUwN0o?format=jpg&name=medium

[Ms. Toad]

55. It is never appropriate.

Slut shaming and outing are all based in the perception that the acts/orientation are something to be ashamed of. You cannot slut shame someone without sending a message of shame to similarly situated individuals. Period.

On a similar topic: trans/homophobic posts - here is what EarlG has to say: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127

Using gay as an insult, misgendering people, etc. is an insult. Period.

[BlackSkimmer]

61. Thank you Ms. Toad.

[JI7]

132. WTF , You bring up some words about Transgender people to defend this asshole ? This asshole that

wanted to pass legislation that would take away Lia Thomas's swimming championship .

[Ms. Toad]

133. I am not defending Republicans.

I am defending anyone who has had an abortion from being used as a battering ram. I am defending anyone who as a sexual history which others might define as slutty from being used as a battering ram.

Using those characteristics as an insult is offensive in the same way it is offensive to misgender someone as an insult, or call someone gay or trans as an insult.

Find a way to insult people you hate which does not shame others with the same characteristics.

[JI7]

134. If you want to deny those rights to others that you used for yourself then they should be attacked

for it and exposed.

[Ms. Toad]

135. Slut shaming is misogynistic -

feel free to check the TOS to see if misogyny is allowed on DU.

[JI7]

136. Where is the slut shaming in all of this ? Getting an abortion makes one a slut ? Stop trying to

make this issue into something it's not .

[Ms. Toad]

137. Did you read the caption of the thread you are posting in? n/t

[JI7]

138. Yeah, the person is wrong in claiming exposing Boebert is slutshaming her

[Ms. Toad]

141. That's the question I was answering in the post to which you responded.

Whether you think it's the right question is not really relevant - I didn't make it about something it wasn't. I was answering the question asked - using analogies to other inappropriate shaming which goes on here at DU.

FWIW, the slutshaming had to do with shaming her for working as a paid escort.

[JI7]

142. This is like claiming talking about Hershel WAlker's secret son is shaming him or shaming kids born

out of wedlock. Lets not pretend these are about things which we clearly know they are not about .

[Ms. Toad]

143. Then write your own OP.

I responded to the question asked.

[sir pball]

57. "Appropriate", "right and wrong", don't enter into war.

And make no mistake, this is war. Total war. An existential war for the very future of democracy.

Frankly IDGAF if you're a sex worker with a few abortions, or a transvestite who likes to stuff your c*ck in your cousin's face — but if you're going to rant and rave against that behavior, and are in a position to legislatively persecute or outright prosecute/criminalize it, while covertly engaging in it...what little rules I have for fighting go out the window. Fuck your privacy and fuck your dignity.

You can take care to not become a monster yourself and I respect that — but you need to leave fighting these monsters to those with no such compunctions.

[Bev54]

60. I have now read the story and I am conflicted on this.

I have thought about it and wondered if this was a man and we learned some pretty gross things about him, would I feel the same if it was made public? I doubt it, I would not think twice, so am I being defensive because it is a woman, maybe. It is politics and if you have secrets then perhaps you should think long and hard about what you have to hide, especially if you are running on something completely different. It is similar to all these criminals that are getting into politics when they really should keep a low profile. We cheer when they release the dirty little shit about Trump and his activities and other men so I am not sure this should be looked at any differently.

[MineralMan]

62. Never.

[kcr]

63. It is absolutely, 100% appropriate

I'm disgusted at some of the crocodile tears over this, quite frankly. Anyone who has an abortion then turns around and works to make it illegal is fair game. It's not the fact they had an abortion that is shameful. It's the fact they feel they are the only ones entitled to an abortion, but no one else gets that right.

[harumph]

66. I think if we lose in November, what you are saying won't matter.

What is tiresome is this take the high road bullshit when our democracy is on life support.
What is tiresome is the incessant "virtue signaling" on DU from people who should be politically savy
to understand what nonsense it is.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

67. +1000 n/t

[Effete Snob]

71. Ah "virtue signaling"

Almost as bad as the “woke mob” in the MAGA lexicon.

[ecstatic]

78. Your OP may be (inadvertently) doing all the shaming

Who called her a slut? This is 2022. There's nothing in and of itself bad or shameful about having sex. And there's no shame in having an abortion. The only shame would come if you're a maga terrorist who terrorizes other women who are trying to exercise the same right.

[Effete Snob]

85. This was dropped before the primary

By someone who wants a stronger R candidate.

[sarisataka]

69. People will justify it based on the hypocrisy

And completely miss the irony...

[harumph]

74. When we lose in Nov because we didn't use every tool at our disposal

you can tell all the LGBT people when they lose all rights (marriage and otherwise) and we're all
living in an authoritarian HELL HOLE, that you just couldn't bring yourself to fight dirty
because you're just too good of a person to do that. At least that will serve as a balm for
your disappointment.

[Effete Snob]

86. This was dropped before the primary

The objective is to get a different R to win that seat. Otherwise, this would have dropped AFTER THE PRIMARY.

[Paladin]

155. +1,000,000.

Just another thread, with Democrats beating one another bloody, in an effort to see who can be the most polite, the most sensitive, and above all, the least effective force in politics. This is why the scumbag trump forces continue to hold the power they do---way too many Democrats are afraid of even offending said scumbags, let alone fighting them hand-to-hand.

Don't get me started...

[Effete Snob]

204. Then go full Qanon and spread unverified rumors

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors?ref=home

Liberals Rush to Spread Bogus Lauren Boebert Escort and Abortion Rumors
TOO GOOD TO CHECK

Democrats say they’re proof of Boebert’s hypocrisy. But they’re getting conned themselves.

[JanMichael]

77. On Tuesdays for hypocrites. Maybe not on Thursdays though. That's when people get sensitive.

[dchill]

81. The word "slut" does not appear in the other OP.

It's in the TITLE of this one. The correct term is "escort." Is there such a thing as "escort shaming?" It's the hypocrisy, pure and simple.

[Kingofalldems]

84. Exactly.

And she was allegedly not licensed---and we're shamed for reporting on it.

[Effete Snob]

206. "Reporting"

This is your idea of "reporting"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors?ref=home

Liberals Rush to Spread Bogus Lauren Boebert Escort and Abortion Rumors
TOO GOOD TO CHECK

Democrats say they’re proof of Boebert’s hypocrisy. But they’re getting conned themselves.

Daily Beast - that well-known den of "secret Trump supporters"

Kinda funny how there are always those urging others to take the bait.

[qwlauren35]

82. I'll weigh in here.

I talk about my abortions freely. I think it's important to remove the stigma of abortion.

As far as I am concerned, EVERYTHING/ALL INFORMATION about a political person is fair game. Previous employment, medical history, ALL OF IT.

I feel that way about male politicians and female politicians. We ask for tax records, we ask for medical reports. We expect our politicians to provide them, and make a big stink if they do not.

I would not be happy about how the information is obtained - I think HIPAA should not be violated. With that said, I expect a politician to disclose this information. So, if it comes out some other way, I question why they didn't disclose it, and what else they may be hiding.

Now, this isn't, for me, the issue of hypocrisy. It's disclosure. It's honesty. It's the reality of being a politician. I personally think you should walk the talk, but that's just my personal integrity (which I have learned not to expect of politicians). But when it comes to politics, it's all fair game. Politics is ugly, and you should know it going in.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would add. About abortion. Someone having an abortion should not be a stigma. It's legal. It's only HER CONSTITUENTS that may have a problem with it, and that's HER problem.

"Outing" is a funny thing. Everybody has dirty laundry. Everybody is hiding something that they think they would be judged on. And people DO judge. Revealing something told in confidence is a mean thing... not illegal unless you're a medical professional, but mean. So, judging the person doing the "outing" is reasonable. Spreading gossip is such a normal part of American society, it's ridiculous. The National Enquirer pays big money for this kind of thing, it is small wonder - if you're famous, it's going to get out. Given this reality, I think all public figures need to be prepared for it, and should have a strategy for diffusing it, WHEN it happens. 'cause it's going to happen.

You have put a label on the type of information that was shared. "Slut shaming". Suggesting that if it's THAT type of information, it should be off-limits. I disagree. I don't think any information about a politician should be off-limits. Be it sexual, medical, financial, none of it. And if their constituents have a problem with the information, deal with it. But no crying "unfair, unfair".

I stick up for no politician that can't be as squeaky clean as Obama. None.

[OilemFirchen]

83. I find out a Nazi is Jewish...

I'm telling the whole fucking world.

So sue me.

[Fla_Democrat]

87. When the target is one of 'them'

and not one of 'us'.

[Effete Snob]

88. This was done to help another Republican

If this was done to help us, it would not have been published until AFTER she’d won the primary.

But people can’t look two moves ahead when they are excited.

[Pompoy]

113. I agree, muckrakers are Republicans

Because the only other person they have targeted so far was Madison Cawthorn, because he told tales of being invited to Republican orgies.
They got rid of him. What's their problem with Boebert, maybe the abortions, maybe the escort part, maybe she got the wrong guy pissed off.

[NNadir]

89. We lost a fine young congresswoman, Katie Hill, to a revenge porn scheme.

This unfortunate event however only led to her resignation because she had a sense of honor. I cannot speak for Ms. Hill, and I appreciate that it was her choice to make, but I would have preferred she stayed in office. But the reason for her departure involved her own sense.

If one lacks honor, nothing is lost in pointing to the absence. The current case is very different than that of Ms. Hill.

I don't think there is a "one size fits all" answer to this question. Hypocrisy is worthy of exposure, particularly when the nature of the hypocrisy is directed at harming other people.

I have no problem with the events surrounding these disclosures - and they are disclosures as much as "shaming" - concerning Congresswoman Boebert. She is a violent cancer on the American way of life, a person who glorifies guns around children, leading to the deaths of many. Live by the sword; die by it.

[Xolodno]

90. I don't give a rats ass what people do in the bedroom, hotel, whatever...

...Nor is abortion any of my damn business.

I may disagree with something, but, its not my choice and nor can or should enforce my views upon anyone else.

But I will note the hypocrisy.

[JanMichael]

91. Cawthorn was OK though? Or is this variable to the extent of the out?

[gldstwmn]

95. That thread is ugly and full of toxic masculinity. It's not a good look.

Lauren Boebert is being investigated for fraud by the Colorado Department of Revenue. They will follow her to the gates of hell. If her restaurant had a liquor license it would have been yanked already. If anyone is looking for her to get a dish of comeuppance they are going to be the ones to serve it. Mark my words.
The other post has a link to a now deleted Twitter post. All of the agent provocateurs on Twitter have learned a new word today: hypocrisy. It's being repeated ad infinitum. Anyone who has been a Democrat for any length of time knows that Republicans love them some hypocrisy. This is not news to us. Why is it that the fraud investigation got a little traction but the prostitution and abortion story has gone completely off the rails? We didn't like it when Bill Clinton's sex life was investigated, adjudicated and legislated. We shouldn't be excited about this. It's sordid, sad and none of my god damn business.

[CrackityJones75]

104. Did we really need another thread?

[iemanja]

105. Is the point of that thread to "slut shame"?

That isn't the impression I got. Are you suggesting even posting the story amounts to slut shaming?

[gldstwmn]

122. That source is right wing and they are promoting the Republican candidate and none of the Dems.

In fact, I've never seen them promote a Democrat.

[iemanja]

144. If you mean the Daily Mail

It's a British tabloid. Their audience doesn't vote in the US. It certainly is right wing, but its politics are British.

At any rate, last I checked the tweet is no longer there.

[CrackityJones75]

114. JFC someone tell me about our messaging again.

Please.

[Effete Snob]

115. Well, it looks like "our messaging"

…is being done by a Republican PAC, and folks are absolutely giddy about it.

The same “we need to get tough” bunch that foisted Michael Avenatti on us.

[CrackityJones75]

118. Why are you blaming democrats for a republican pacs story?

How can you sit here and say a republican pac is pushing our message? It isn’t our message it is THEIR message. But for some odd reason you want to bash democrats for it.


So weird to read coming from a democrat.

What else will a republican do that we can blame on a democrat?

[Effete Snob]

119. They sure are making a lot of folks happy

It’s important for women to know what will be used against them if they ever find themselves on the wrong side.

[CrackityJones75]

125. If a woman wants to take away another woman's bodily autonomy

And has exercised that same right herself I have little sympathy for her.

Especially when we start talking about why they want to remove that right from women.

[JI7]

129. Don't run for public office and support taking away abortion rights and going after other people

it's very simple.

[iemanja]

146. You have no concept of what the critique is about

It's not that she had two abortions. It's that she insists other women have no right to them, while she avails herself of what was once a right until people like her began to dominate in politics.

Politicians live in the public eye. Obviously their past plays a roll in how they are perceived, particularly when they are flaming hypocrites. The same has happened to the endless stream of GOP politicians caught having sex with men while working to outlaw LGBTQ+ rights. The issue there wasn't that they were gay but rather they were hypocrites who sought to strip gay folks of their rights. Do you not get the difference?

[iemanja]

145. We don't have "messaging"

We are individuals, not representatives of the Democratic party. People have all kinds of different views.

[gldstwmn]

124. If that other thread is our messaging I don't want anything to do with it.

Is everyone on that other thread a Democrat?

[CrackityJones75]

127. Then don't... just like abrotion itself if ya don't like it Then don't have one.

[gldstwmn]

128. So you think we should embrace toxic masculinity and endorse Repbulican candidates?

[CrackityJones75]

130. That is totally what I said!

Ya got me!


I don't think it is out of bounds to take a look at a person in office who is lying to their constituients. If they lied about anything else would it not be fair game to point it out? I want a person who vocally and loudly wants to try to make my wife and my daughter's life difficult by removing their right to bodily autonomy. If calling her lying to attention is toxic masculinity..... well I guess that's it then.


Also nobody here is endorsing a republican candidate. Yer making stuff up now.

[gldstwmn]

139. She lied about abortion and prostitution?

Did someone ask her?

[CrackityJones75]

158. The lie is that she is saying people should not while she does.

Hypocrite liar. Call it what you want. Voters need to know that she is full of shit.

[gldstwmn]

159. You think people don't know Lauren Boebert

is full of shit or that Republicans are hypocrites?
We must have a bunch of young people here on DU that are just figuring that out.

[CrackityJones75]

189. We aren't talking about the people here at DU

We are talking about the people this pac is targeting.


Are you here to just cause problems? It sure seems like it.

All you seem to do is to rile up people about what the democrats are doing wrong or what things posters here say that you don’t like.

Interesting.

[gldstwmn]

196. I'm a lifelong Democrat who votes for Democrats.

I also share my opinion which sometimes differs from that of others. The Democratic party has a big, inclusive tent and not everyone agrees on everything. We can also express here on Democratic Underground our frustrations with certain things that are going on with our party.
FWIW I have actually been on DU since 2002 albeit under a different handle because I got locked out of my old Gmail account and couldn't recover my password.
I honestly don't care what you think I am here to do. What if I was here "to cause problems?" Are you going to report me to the only here to cause problems committee? What did John Lewis say about good trouble?
Like so many here I don't utilize the hide/ignore features. I never have. I have found that I learn much from those I disagree with.

[CrackityJones75]

199. Congratulations!

I really don’t care about how long you’ve been on DU. I have been following it since 2004. Doesn’t change my observation of your behavior.

Good luck fighting your fellow Democrats.

[Behind the Aegis]

116. Words have meaning...or maybe not.

[ZonkerHarris]

140. reproductive rights are a main issue of todays body politic. Contrasting a poltician's stance on

issues versus their actual behavior in the issues is what we call politics.

[LudwigPastorius]

147. I think she should be proud of being a former sex worker.

No shame in it.

[JCMach1]

151. When life choices involve hypocrisy it's open fodder

It's hypocrisy, not slut shaming

[Effete Snob]

153. Gee... it's almost as if that is in the OP

"It is considered “appropriate” because of hypocrisy." - that's actually in the OP, but thanks for explaining what I already said.

So, we can go after women's sexual histories and reproductive choices, provided that they are being hypocritical in some regard. Is that correct?

[JCMach1]

224. I said what I said... Your tone tells me all I need to know...

About what's going on with this post.

[LizBeth]

157. Thank you. I cannot believe the numbers of times I have called it out when it was a woman

we do not like. To the point of outrageous abuse simply for calling out the hypocrisy. Nothing worse having to defend a vile Republican woman against the misogyny from my fellow Dems.

[PTWB]

160. You're mistaking hypocrite shaming for slut shaming.

It’s always OK to shame the hypocrites who would strip people of the right to do the very things they themselves have done.

[Effete Snob]

161. Wow, you can repeat what I said

The OP says "It is considered “appropriate” because of hypocrisy."

Congratulations on being about the 40th person to point out what the OP says. You passed the test.

[PTWB]

168. Nope.

Again, you’re mistaking appropriate shaming of hypocrisy for inappropriate slut shaming. You’re making the mistake of assuming that what you’re seeing is slut shaming and that people are okay with slut shaming because of Boebert’s hypocrisy, when in reality what’s occurring is shaming her for her hypocrisy and slut shaming isn’t a part of this.

We don’t care that she was a sex worker. We don’t care that she had abortions. She’s not being shamed for either of those things.

She’s being shamed for being a vile hypocrite who would forbid others from making the same choices she herself had made.

[Effete Snob]

175. Yes, I understand, we will use women's sexual and reproductive histories as weapons against them...

...when we believe it is warranted.

That is what everyone who does that says. Everyone who has ever used a woman's sexual or reproductive history as a weapon against them believed they had a justifiable reason to do so.

[PTWB]

179. Lol

Maybe my last post was too long and you skimmed it.

Here is the TL;DR:

Boebert is not being shamed for her history as a sex worker. She’s not being shamed for having exercised her right to choose to have abortions.

Boebert is being shamed for being a vile hypocrite because she would deny women access to the choices she herself has made in the past.

[Effete Snob]

180. Yes

And it is being done to help elect her Republican primary opponent, so that this red-leaning district will remain Republican.

Some so called "Democrats" are happy to help and think that is a peachy idea to spread a press release from a Republican PAC.

[PTWB]

181. Shaming hypocrites isn't partisan.

[Effete Snob]

205. Neither is lying

https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors?ref=home

Liberals Rush to Spread Bogus Lauren Boebert Escort and Abortion Rumors
TOO GOOD TO CHECK

Democrats say they’re proof of Boebert’s hypocrisy. But they’re getting conned themselves.

[PTWB]

207. Lol

Move those goalposts as quick as you can! I have no idea if the allegations are true or not, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they turn out to be true given the veracity of they past leaks by that PAC.

Whether or not the allegations are true is immaterial to your feigned outrage in the OP. You disingenuously suggested that reputable, long time DUers were engaged in “slut shaming” of Boebert despite being admonished repeatedly that you were misrepresenting those DUers and misrepresenting their position.

Folks here are not “slut shaming” Boebert. She is not being shamed for her history as a sex worker or for her history of choosing to abort pregnancies.

Boebert is being shamed for her hypocrisy. She is being shamed because she would deny other women the ability to make the choices she’s made for herself.

[Effete Snob]

209. "reputable, long time DUers"

I said something about "reputable, long time DUers"? Please tell me who I mentioned and what I said about them.

Please do tell, because quite a few long time DUers also object to it, but I suppose you have a variable definition of who is "reputable".

[PTWB]

211. There's no need to couch your comments.

You drafted this OP as a direct call out. Backing off that now? Good choice!

[Effete Snob]

213. Of whom?

If you don't want to post it, PM me. I'd like to know the individual in question.

There were quite a few people happy to jump on this particular wagon and celebrate its arrival.

[PTWB]

216. Hey, you wrote it, not me:

There is a thread involving the sexual and reproductive history of a female politician.

You can’t call out a specific post and then pretend you were not referring to a specific post.

[Effete Snob]

217. "There is a thread"

That's a reference to the thread. A whole lot of people were in that thread joining in the locker room chat.

Oddly enough, it was deleted.

I wonder why.

You said something about "long term reputable DUers" - plural, not singular.

Was the OP a group effort among them?

[PTWB]

218. The OP was the product of the person who posted it.

The replies, appropriately condemning Boebert’s alleged hypocrisy, were products of those who posted them.


You were referring to a specific thread, posted by a specific person, and contributed to by other specific people. You can’t backpedal and pretend that you were speaking generally.

[Effete Snob]

219. Are you that person's lawyer or something?

Defender of the downtrodden thread poster who eventually changed their mind because they thought better of it and deleted the post?

How dare anyone attempt to persuade anyone else to change their mind by posting their disagreement with it.

Apparently, you take issue with their decision to do the right thing and delete it. Take it up with them.

[Effete Snob]

214. While you are at it

Tell me which DUer Mother Jones is going after now:

https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/06/lauren-boebert-sexism-abortion-rumors/

Stop Spreading Those Deeply Misogynistic Rumors About Lauren Boebert

The political action committee that helped bring down Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) has released a series of salacious and likely false accusations against Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.)—and online liberals are eating it right up. But if the Cawthorn allegations, which centered around an explicit video, were fueled by homophobia, then the Boebert allegations are being fueled by a no less pernicious force: misogyny.

Are they calling out someone too?

Is the person in the room with you now?

[JuJuChen]

164. isn't just using the term slut shaming in and of itself?

[ecstatic]

215. That's always been my take as well.

by calling it "slut shaming," you're calling her a slut.

I gained 10 pounds over the past 2 years. If I grab a donut and Person 1 tells me to put it down because I don't need it, and then Person 2 barges into the conversation to tell Person 1 to stop "fat shaming" me, my feelings would be a little hurt, but it wouldn't be from Person 1. Person 2 would be the one who insulted me and called me fat.

[Happy Hoosier]

165. I think it's fair to call out hypocrisy....

... but we need to be clear that it is the hypocrisy which is at issue, not the sexual behavior.

I think it is totally fair to point out that some vocal anti-abortion advocate has had abortions themselves (or paid for them), for example.

[BannonsLiver]

170. This is why we lose.

[Effete Snob]

174. The information was published to help Republicans

Among the other observations to make here, is that this was published prior to the primary, because Muckrakers are Republicans, who want to elect Republicans.

It was published before the primary with the intent to persuade R voters to select the less looney Republican in order to give them a better chance of keeping the seat R.

You are free to delude yourself otherwise.

[inthewind21]

182. Do you get

nosebleeds way up there on your high horse?

[BannonsLiver]

184. [phone]

[Effete Snob]

210. No, but I get a lot of personal comments from people with no argument

Since insults are a proxy for thinking for some.

[BannonsLiver]

183. LOL

Yeah. Nothing that’s come up In a primary has ever been used or regurgitated in a general election ever. Democrats have never benefited from GOP in fighting and collateral damage. It’s never happened before.

Speaking of delusions…

[Quixote1818]

188. David Wheeler is a Democrat. Where are you getting they are Republicans?

Here is his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/david.wheeler.senate



https://ballotpedia.org/David_Wheeler_(North_Carolina)

David Wheeler (Democratic Party) ran for election to the North Carolina State Senate to represent District 47. He lost in the general election on November 3, 2020.

Wheeler completed Ballotpedia's Candidate Connection survey in 2020. Click here to read the survey answers.

Biography
David Wheeler was born in Des Moines, Iowa. He received an undergraduate degree from the University of Iowa in 1987.[1]

Elections

[moonshinegnomie]

176. its not slut shaming to call out hypocrisy

the fact she had an abortion or 2 isnt the issue

the fact she rails against abortion is and pointing out her hypocrisy is fair game

[Iggo]

177. When you fall for republican bullshit.

They planted this story so idiots would spread it.

And they are.

[Effete Snob]

178. I know

That's still kind of secondary.

The idea is to keep the seat republican.

Of the folks posting here, I'd say about 5% actually know that.

[inthewind21]

186. lol

They planted the story so idiots would spread it. Gee who would do that?

Effete Snob (3,046 posts)


When is Slut Shaming or Outing Appropriate

[Iggo]

222. And that's the thing. It's not for us. It's for the GOP base.

You know.

Morons.

(Couldn’t find the relevant blazing saddles jpg on the fly, but you know the one I mean…lol.)

[Effete Snob]

223. .

[AntiFascist]

185. I would say that counter-attacking someone who is attacking your community can be appropriate...

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regarding Outing.

There is a popular gay radio host named Michelangelo Signoreli who speaks on political issues. His opinion is that it is okay to out someone who has caused damage to the LGBTQ+ community, otherwise it is not okay. Many fellow listeners to the old OUTQ satellite radio channel feel the same way, as does my partner. It is a popular opinion, particularly for those of us who have lived through decades of Republican oppression.

[ripcord]

187. It is OK when used against people you don't like

[BlackSkimmer]

191. Nailed it.

Sad, but oh so true.

[Quixote1818]

197. So you're okay with Boebert saying abortion is evil while getting an abortion?

You folks have my head spinning.

[ripcord]

201. There are a lot of hypocrites out there

I especially don't like environmental activists who show up on private jets to conferences but that doesn't matter, me being an aaahole would be on me and not them.

[Hortensis]

193. :) When you yourself maliciously thinking of the object as a "slut," back off.

Shut up. There's the line not to cross.

Pointing out dishonesty in a politician that people should be aware of is appropriate. Calling her a slut because she's a female -- and maybe it's somehow sex related (abortion?!) -- is not.

[pwb]

212. Before an election?

People should have known a bit more about her. Investigating candidates needs a better look.

[RobinA]

220. You Need

Terms of Service to tell you this is wrong?

[Effete Snob]

221. Which category do you believe it falls under?

In the context of an alert, which category would you pick if, unlike most in this thread, you believed it was inappropriate for a progressive site?

[Shellback Squid]

227. when it's righteously deserved

[LetMyPeopleVote]

228. I saw the twitter posts about this a while back

I did not pay attention to this story because the sourcing was too thin, Before we get into the issue of slut shaming, we need to confirm the facts and I was not comfortable with a single source being a PAC

[Seeking Serenity]

229. There are no bad tactics, only bad targets

We need to throw EVERYTHING at the enemy. No mercy. Especially as it relates to politicians, who are essentially defamation-proof. The goal here is to win! We should not take our foot off the gas until we do!

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230. Democratic group makes multiple false claims in its dramatic allegations about Lauren Boebert's past

Washington (CNN)A Democratic super PAC has made multiple false claims about Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert while pushing unproven allegations that the right-wing Colorado congresswoman has had abortions and formerly worked as an escort, all of which Boebert vehemently denies.

American Muckrakers PAC co-founder David Wheeler acknowledged to CNN that the super PAC had been "sloppy" and had published "inaccuracies" on its anti-Boebert website, though he said it remains confident in the "main points of the story." His comments came after CNN reporting found that the super PAC had made at least five false statements about Boebert, along with a series of uncorroborated assertions that Boebert says are false and that CNN could neither immediately confirm nor immediately debunk.

In emails this week and in a Thursday interview, Wheeler conceded that the super PAC was wrong when it insisted a photo of another woman posing on a bed is a photo of Boebert, was wrong when it claimed Boebert initially failed to disclose a campaign contribution from Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, was wrong to suggest Cruz had made big contributions to Boebert's campaign immediately after she started running in her first primary, was wrong about the date of a Boebert vehicle accident, and was wrong when it published a claim that Boebert had an abortion "in the fall of 2004" -- at most six months before she gave birth to a son in March 2005.

Wheeler, a former North Carolina state Senate candidate, said in the interview that the super PAC realizes "we need to be better" in vetting details prior to publishing them, since some sources may have "foggy" memories, and that it would be willing to apologize to Boebert for the "inaccuracies" it has published to date. He said, though, that the super PAC stands by "the major thrust of the information" that went viral on Twitter last week.

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