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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:40 AM Jun 2022

What is wrong with previous Democratic voting blocks??

Black Americans and Hispanic voters turning away from Dems and Joe Biden and backing Trump loyalists in primaries? I can't get my brain around these past primaries in TX and other places where Trump fanatics have won their races by huge margins.

Not enough done on voting rights? Do these voters believe that more will be done with Republicans who have already instituted gerrymandered states and are hiring Sec. of State who have guaranteed to get counts in favor of Trump and the GOP?

Not enough done on immigration? Do these voters believe more positive outcomes with the GOP?

Mad about abortion and Roe vs Wade? Do these voters believe that abortions will disappear and that the ultra RW really do not believe or engage in abortions?

Do they all believe that the jobs being produced by Biden's plan are all because the GOP unanimously voted for them?

Do they actually believe that being led by a racist, grifting, lying. corrupt, ignorant Putin-loving regime will make life better for them?

WTF is wrong with people? I just don't get it.

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What is wrong with previous Democratic voting blocks?? (Original Post) Samrob Jun 2022 OP
they hate LGBTQ? Skittles Jun 2022 #1
This is a significant factor IMO Amishman Jun 2022 #12
Link and quote any polling? This seems like an overtly broad brush statement about CoC uponit7771 Jun 2022 #17
Not significantly different in the Hispanic community Sympthsical Jun 2022 #21
oh, and repuke "approach" to POC is so much better? Skittles Jun 2022 #30
Did anyone say it was? Sympthsical Jun 2022 #31
+1 We need more data like this instead of biased assumptions SunImp Jun 2022 #33
Conservative Xians Darwins_Retriever Jun 2022 #2
Once again Tickle Jun 2022 #3
Obama's economy had all of Biden's numbers WITHOUT the inflation but that was not a uponit7771 Jun 2022 #16
Our society has lost the ability to discern between image and substance EYESORE 9001 Jun 2022 #4
this is actually a brilliant little post, and is an example of why I still engage here Celerity Jun 2022 #6
Why, thank you EYESORE 9001 Jun 2022 #7
yw!! Celerity Jun 2022 #8
Or our dem party has lost ability to have Stacy Abrams ground games and communication ... uponit7771 Jun 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #5
Targeted propaganda. Convince prospective Democratic voters that Democrats betsuni Jun 2022 #9
All of this JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #25
How do you come to the conclusion that previous democratic voting blocks are voting in republican Claustrum Jun 2022 #10
Lack of local Marketing from the Democrat $$ texasfiddler Jun 2022 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #13
THIS! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 'local marking' has to be Stacy Abrams ground game in areas that are under voting! uponit7771 Jun 2022 #15
***LACK OF STACY ABRAMS LEVEL GROUND GAME !!!*** People on DU have been SCREAMING ... uponit7771 Jun 2022 #14
It's just plain old stupidity. Anyone who votes for Republicans Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2022 #19
The problem with your question is right in the post... brooklynite Jun 2022 #20
Seems like a bit of hand-wringing here Tarc Jun 2022 #22
Southern Strategy writ large. Happy Hoosier Jun 2022 #23
Where does this belief that Americans who are black JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #24
What data are you going on? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #26
I suspect this will be controversial Tom Rinaldo Jun 2022 #27
Duopoly? moondust Jun 2022 #28
What voting machines are in use? nbsmom Jun 2022 #29
Those aren't their priorities iemanja Jun 2022 #32
K&R UTUSN Jun 2022 #34

Amishman

(5,929 posts)
12. This is a significant factor IMO
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:07 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:11 AM - Edit history (1)

catholic and various evangelical churches are not particularly friendly towards LGBTQ, so it is reasonable to infer that their membership is not either. Those churches are popular with the demographic groups in question.

It is important to keep in mind that racial/ethnic groups are not homogeneous. Many Latinos are catholic but at the same time that same community has the highest percentage of trans identification. In that example, there may be no easy way to mollify the former without betraying the latter.

That being said, economic headwinds are probably an even bigger factor.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
17. Link and quote any polling? This seems like an overtly broad brush statement about CoC
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:53 AM
Jun 2022

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
21. Not significantly different in the Hispanic community
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:33 AM
Jun 2022

It's a racial stereotype (generally perpetuated by white liberals) that Hispanics are uber Catholic bigots or something. Similar goes with "machismo" which screams, "I saw something on Netflix once and don't really know any Latinos!" I wish we would stop with this. The percentage differences just aren't significant enough to account for current electoral rightward shift.

We never seem to stop and consider maybe there's something wrong with how we approach that community.



https://www.prri.org/research/amid-multiple-crises-trump-and-biden-supporters-see-different-realities-and-futures-for-the-nation/

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
31. Did anyone say it was?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:13 PM
Jun 2022

You didn't even engage the topic.

Sneering sarcasm works for social media, but it isn't exactly an effective political approach. The idea that maybe we could be doing something better is met with that.

Which is fine, but I hope there are no expectations for improvement then.

 

Tickle

(4,131 posts)
3. Once again
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:14 AM
Jun 2022

it’s the economy stupid. I’m not calling anyone stupid I’m just paraphrasing.
🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
16. Obama's economy had all of Biden's numbers WITHOUT the inflation but that was not a
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:52 AM
Jun 2022

... factor in voting for MAGA or the middle class.

Its the economy but the way people feel about it and that is too influenced by messaging.

EYESORE 9001

(29,727 posts)
4. Our society has lost the ability to discern between image and substance
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:25 AM
Jun 2022

Over the years, potential Democrats have cited one trait above all others; I call it the ‘wimp factor.’ They equate all the traits that hold society together, like altruism, cooperation, and empathy, with weakness. They equate cruelty and indifference with strength. This upside-down revision of societal values will likely result in the downfall of civilization unless the model somehow undergoes revision. I’m confident that can be done, but it’s an uphill battle.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
18. Or our dem party has lost ability to have Stacy Abrams ground games and communication ...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:56 AM
Jun 2022

... with communities of color and depend on email spamming and national level messaging too much.

Look, we've been screaming for years the democratic parties ground game in communities of color Latinx and black ... ARE MISSING !!!

We've seen Stacy Abrams ground games work but DNC went straight to traditional money raising at a time when direct communication and organization is needed.

Response to Samrob (Original post)

betsuni

(29,077 posts)
9. Targeted propaganda. Convince prospective Democratic voters that Democrats
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:57 AM
Jun 2022

are racists, corrupt, corporate establishment elites with absolute power who don't do anything because they hate the working/middle class and only care about bribes from oligarchs/billionaires/corporations.

Special emphasis on racism, Democrats are the real racists. Worked well in 2016. Recently I was surprised to see an NBC Yamiche Alcindor story about two male activists urging black voters not to vote for Democrats. "Sit this out." Same as Cornell West recently saying both sides, Democrats haven't done enough. Social media is one thing, but when it reaches the MSM... These attacks will intensify.

Attacks pretending to be from the left are most effective. Make people disgusted and angry and cynical enough to not vote or vote against Democrats. Emotion, no thinking. Not just Republicans who fall for it.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
25. All of this
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jun 2022

I'm really hating certain segments of the body politic that push this nonsense.

Claustrum

(5,058 posts)
10. How do you come to the conclusion that previous democratic voting blocks are voting in republican
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:00 AM
Jun 2022

primaries?

Though, we started seeing some Hispanic population turning against democrats in 2020 as some of the previously democratic area turning red in border area in TX and FL. I just wanted to know where you get the impression or numbers that previous democratic black Americans and Hispanic voters are jumping on the MAGA train.

texasfiddler

(2,199 posts)
11. Lack of local Marketing from the Democrat $$
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:04 AM
Jun 2022

Right wing AM radio, right leaning Spanish Radio & new “evangelical “ Churches in the valley won the day here in my Texas district yesterday. I put “evangelical” in quotes because I see these new Churches as GOP political centers .

Response to texasfiddler (Reply #11)

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
15. THIS! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 'local marking' has to be Stacy Abrams ground game in areas that are under voting!
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:50 AM
Jun 2022

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
14. ***LACK OF STACY ABRAMS LEVEL GROUND GAME !!!*** People on DU have been SCREAMING ...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:49 AM
Jun 2022

... for years about democratic messaging and ground game in communities of color even on DU to high levels of derision in response.

Its simple, any party has to have a ground game to reach communities of color speaking their language IN THEIR COMMUNITIES not just through commercials and email spamming.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
19. It's just plain old stupidity. Anyone who votes for Republicans
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:24 AM
Jun 2022

is simply flat out stupid. Voting for a Republican is like holding a rattlesnake up to your face, getting bit on the nose, and then wondering why you are suffering from a crippllng snakebite.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
20. The problem with your question is right in the post...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:31 AM
Jun 2022
Not enough done on voting rights?


Not enough done on immigration?


You're assuming that African Americans are a monolithic block on civil rights and Hispanics are a monolithic block on immigration. They're not. MOST African Americans (just as most Americans) don't have a problem voting (if they choose to). And MOST Hispanics have been here for generations, and aren't driven by immigration rights for new arrivals who aren't in their families.

What you didn't raise were: Gas and grocery prices. Jobs and salaries. Housing costs. Ability to sustain small businesses. Education quality. The sorts of issues MOST voters are focused on.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
23. Southern Strategy writ large.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jun 2022

In the 1960's, a segment of the conservative movement strategized that if they could leverage peoples' emotion on cultural issues, they could win their support, despite the fact that GOP policies actually hurt working and middle-class people.

And they were right. Leveraging racism drew white working class people to the GOP, DESPITE the fact that GOP policies fuck these people over. Of course, the GOP pays lip service to them. They talk like they care, but their policies say otherwise.

And it works.

They are using LGBTQ+ hatred among some ethnic groups to drive a wedge between those groups and the Democratic party as well. And it may well work there too. Because human being are emotional creatures and make stupid, emotional decisions all the time.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
24. Where does this belief that Americans who are black
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 10:09 AM
Jun 2022

Are voting in huge numbers for MAGATS?

I would be interested in States and Districts.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
27. I suspect this will be controversial
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jun 2022

I am raising an "uncomfortable topic" as one factor, among many others granted, to consider. It reflects a basic part of human nature, the tendency to fiercely compete for scarce and important resources. It is part of what makes divide and conquer strategies work. Relative have-nots get pitted against each other.

I remember living on Long Island during the 70's noticing frequent media coverage of NYC politics that focused on political rivalries at the time between New York City's African American and Puerto Rico communities, literally for access to power inside NYC's Democratic Party dominated government. Of course there were also always strong voices calling for unity among the oppressed rather than competition, and that helped contain, but not totally eliminate rivalries at the time.

Flash forward to several years ago when I began to increasingly notice a lot of high profile media attention being given to the fact that African American women represent the core base of the Democratic Party. It manifest on DU also, but I saw it everywhere. Factually it was/is accurate. African American women have been the most loyal Democratic voting bloc, but a fear in the back of my mind began to stir. On the most basic level it concerned something that could almost be reduced to jealousy. When attention gets paid disproportionately to one group (or individual), other groups can have an adverse reaction, rising from a feeling of being taken for granted.

NONE of this is fair. Even in the current social-political environment the contributions of African American women to both the Democratic Party and the overall fight for justice in America are undervalued. Still, during the 2020 political cycle especially, the role of African Americans, and African American women in particular, was given high profile treatment relative to the importance of the Hispanic community in our greater Democratic coalition. The fact that Democrats nominated the first African American woman for Vice President played into that, along with the publicity given Biden's pledge to nominate an African American woman to the U.S. Supreme Court. Biden's Hispanic Administrative appointments were similarly relatively low profile competed to high level African American appointments.

People don't like to address it, but the legacy of slavery in America also produced as a byproduct some complexities in the relative public roles played by Black men and women that are ripe for skillful manipulation by outside malevolent forces.

I know that even at a maximum all of the above could only be contributing to a very small part in the drifting apart of some parts of the Democratic base, but no one even addresses this as one possible factor, so I'm putting it out there.



moondust

(21,286 posts)
28. Duopoly?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

"Things are terrible now so let's try the other guys."

Isn't that why the GQP tries to sabotage everything and create Hell on Earth when Dems have control: because they know that the only alternative is to elect them instead?

I fear some voters may just want an immediate escape from their current harsh reality and not be fully mindful of the fact that "the other guys" may be much, much worse. And corporate media doesn't help by treating both as legitimate choices when one may be nothing more than a self-serving cult.

nbsmom

(653 posts)
29. What voting machines are in use?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jun 2022

Wondering because TX still has a lot of ES&S voting machines, right? In-person voting with no paper trail = 20+ vote swings like we saw in 2020.

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
32. Those aren't their priorities
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 07:24 PM
Jun 2022

They likely care first and foremost about inflation, like many Americans. Also, Republicans may be making inroads with their culture wars.

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