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Joinfortmill

(21,169 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 11:20 AM Jun 2022

We don't know what we don't know. Garland inherited a snake pit at DOJ...

And there were a lot of snakes to corral. Then he needed Congressional approval to hire over 100 prosecutors to begin investigating the crime fest that was the Trump administration. That doesn't include the thousands that stormed the Capitol and the the myriad militia groups dug-in in the hinterland States. All the while FoxNews is bashing him and the media in general is hounding him to work harder, work faster, to do something, anything!

He's meticulous and he's criticized for it. But as we've all learned, sedition charges are difficult to prosecute. So, yes he's meticulous. And thank God he is. He also follows the law to the letter. Thank God for that, too, because every single move he makes as the charges come down, and they are coming down, is going to be scrutinized by lawyers, the media, and every lawyer pundit out there.

I've said it before and I will be the first to admit if I am wrong. Joe Biden chose him for a reason, and I believe that reason is they are both patriots who love our country and have given their entire adult lives to the service of our country. There is no doubt in my mind that Joe Biden detests Trump and his co-conspirators with a passion, 'cause that's Joe. Garland, on the other hand, seems to have a much cooler temperament, which is good for us, the country, and the world.

He will get his man.

Signed: Just one little old lady. Posted this in response elsewhere on DU. Thought it it might be worth repeating.

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We don't know what we don't know. Garland inherited a snake pit at DOJ... (Original Post) Joinfortmill Jun 2022 OP
I tend to think exactly this way. Mike_in_LA Jun 2022 #1
Welcome to DU! KS Toronado Jun 2022 #3
Yes, it feels frustrating. But it would be wnylib Jun 2022 #12
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Jun 2022 #17
Welcome to DU, Mike_in_LA! calimary Jun 2022 #24
Welcome to DU! .......and x1000 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #32
And he also has to be careful within his own DOJ. secondwind Jun 2022 #2
Oh yea, KS Toronado Jun 2022 #7
Especially that environmental lawyer Clark that wanted to be Attorney General LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #11
I agree. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #4
Can't WAIT for 2047, when all will be revealed Stinky The Clown Jun 2022 #5
AG McClellan is proceeding with all due haste. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #6
it's easier to present a set of facts without having to move those through courts bigtree Jun 2022 #8
K&R for, from your lips to Zeus's ear! UTUSN Jun 2022 #9
I agree LiberalFighter Jun 2022 #10
Yes... patience y'all liberalla Jun 2022 #13
Another little old lady (me!) has a lot of respect... Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #14
And this little old lady soldierant Jun 2022 #25
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Jun 2022 #30
Garland walked into a pit of Trump vipers dlk Jun 2022 #15
Merrick Garland is an honorable man, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #16
Garland had quite a mess to clean up dlk Jun 2022 #20
+100 Duppers Jun 2022 #21
Yes, definitely worth repeating PatSeg Jun 2022 #18
Not accurate. former9thward Jun 2022 #19
I agree that both of them are stand-up patriots Novara Jun 2022 #22
All witnesses so far are Republicans. Justice matters. Jun 2022 #26
There's there there. Bigly. czarjak Jun 2022 #23
I have a healthy but not fatalistic skepticism. Socal31 Jun 2022 #27
I always thought canetoad Jun 2022 #28
If i inherited a snake pit quakerboy Jun 2022 #29
Advocacy is hot-blooded. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2022 #31

Mike_in_LA

(192 posts)
1. I tend to think exactly this way.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 11:32 AM
Jun 2022

The process is SOOOOOOOO frustrating, but it needs to be. Hope we are right.

wnylib

(26,019 posts)
12. Yes, it feels frustrating. But it would be
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:25 PM
Jun 2022

much worse if AG Garland did not dot every "i" and cross every "t" and then Trump and his gang got off on a technicality.

Just as bad if Garland did not make an air tight case on solid evidence. Can't win a case against a slippery eel without boxing it in without any holes for it to slip through.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
24. Welcome to DU, Mike_in_LA!
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:21 PM
Jun 2022

Wish I could say I agree. I don't. I am still waiting to be impressed by something AG Garland has done. I'm still waiting for ANYTHING he's done, period. Most of the time, I'm not confident he's even awake, much less actually doing something.

MAYBE he has a slow-'n'-steady way of doing things. MAYBE he's been busy-busy-busy behind the scenes. But you'd think by now SOMETHING would have leaked. There are LOTS of hungry reporters out there, all over DC and elsewhere.

And yes, maybe I'm just impatient for SOME results. ANY results. So it could just be me. But I see nothing so far that leads me toward giving him the benefit of the doubt.

bigtree

(94,269 posts)
8. it's easier to present a set of facts without having to move those through courts
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jun 2022

...not to mention grand juries.

DOJ has already arrested the perps who were on the ground at the Capitol Jan. 6 and has gotten the cooperation of about a dozen, one more Proud Boy reported flipping just yesterday after a mass arrest of them June 6, and some Oath Keepers have turned since the arrest of about a dozen of them in January.

All of these charges need to be proven before juries, with Proud Boy action in court as early as August.

for example:

May 4, 2022
Oath Keepers leader sought to contact Trump on Jan. 6, court papers indicate

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes tried to connect with then-President Donald Trump on the evening of Jan. 6, 2021, and urge him to ask the group to forcibly oppose the ascension of Joe Biden, according to a court filing posted on Wednesday in connection with a plea deal by one of Rhodes’ allies.

That evening, after Oath Keepers led by Rhodes departed Capitol grounds, Rhodes gathered members of the group at the Phoenix Hotel in Capitol Hill. There, according to the filing, Rhodes contacted “an individual over speaker phone.”

One of the other members of the group, William Todd Wilson, “heard Rhodes repeatedly implore the individual to tell President Trump to call upon groups like the Oath Keepers to forcibly oppose the transfer of power,” prosecutors say.

It’s unclear whom Rhodes spoke to or whether that individual had access to Trump. The existence of the call was revealed as part of a plea deal between prosecutors and Wilson, who was in frequent contact with Rhodes in the run-up to Jan. 6 and in the ensuing weeks. Wilson on Wednesday became the third Oath Keeper to plead guilty to seditious conspiracy, the gravest charges to emerge from the Jan. 6 insurrection.

The filing, however, shows that prosecutors are increasingly eyeing ties between the Oath Keepers and people inside Trump’s orbit. One of the group’s other members who pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, Joshua James, was a member of Roger Stone’s security detail. James is also cooperating with the government following his plea deal.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oath-keepers-leader-sought-contact-235838133.html

...DOJ has this.

Trueblue Texan

(4,468 posts)
14. Another little old lady (me!) has a lot of respect...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:30 PM
Jun 2022

...for the observations of other little old ladies! This little old lady has been correct in her predictions of many things I'd prefer to have been wrong about. I agree with your observation regarding Garland. We've been right enough times to be able to watch the developments in DOJ calmly and wait for the evidence to be developed into a solid case that will finally nail the crooks.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
25. And this little old lady
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 08:42 PM
Jun 2022

(little in height anyway) is right with both of you. I would also point out, he doesn't just have to be meticulous and careful and check eveything far more than twice, he also has to be SILENT. What he can reveal he does - such as, he and all the J6 prosecutors are watching the hearings - not always live, but always completely.

dlk

(13,248 posts)
15. Garland walked into a pit of Trump vipers
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:34 PM
Jun 2022

I can’t begin to imagine the amount of cleanup he’s had to contend with; he’s certainly had his work cut out for him. However, I have every confidence in Garland’s determination and intent to prosecute the traitors, and I believe we’ll begin to see prosecutions after the midterms, to avoid accusations of partisanship. Our democracy remains in a very fragile state and this fact, no doubt, is part of the calculus

gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
16. Merrick Garland is an honorable man,
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 02:13 PM
Jun 2022

that's not in question.

As far as inheriting a snake pit as an excuse, who has he fired? The snakes are still in place are they not?

Sometimes if one waits to act the statute of limitations expires, as in "individual one," as in the 10 obstruction of justice charges Mueller laid out.

The one that frosts my cake is Garland not stopping the Cyber Ninjas, a pro-Trump fake company that was given access to voter information, ballots, and election material and equipment that should have remained in the possession of election officials for 22 months, per Title 52 of the federal election code. Not prosecuting the Cyber Ninjas allowed the Big lie to spread across the country where fraudits continued in numerous states.

Merrick Garland has a record he can be judged on for the time he has been in office. His legacy is still on the line. He has an enormous decision to make, whether or not to indict a former president. I do not believe he has made that decision yet.

dlk

(13,248 posts)
20. Garland had quite a mess to clean up
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 05:27 PM
Jun 2022

And who’s to say what that process had entailed or housecleaning measures have been implemented?

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
18. Yes, definitely worth repeating
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 02:20 PM
Jun 2022

I agree, we truly don't know what we don't know, but I can imagine the DOJ is extremely busy these days and I have to assume they are working as fast as they can.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
19. Not accurate.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jun 2022

Garland did not need congressional approval to hire 100 more attorneys to investigate Trump. That request was for next fiscal year which begins in October. By the time those lawyers are hired and put into the system it will be a year from now.

Garland has 9500 attorneys working for him. He has plenty of them to do investigations. "He will get his man" Well I guess almost anybody could fit into that sentence.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
22. I agree that both of them are stand-up patriots
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:11 PM
Jun 2022

And both view the world through their lens of patriotism and service. To both of them, their jobs are service jobs, not glory positions. They tend to hope that others have the same sort of quiet patriotism they have. It is evident in the way they speak about their task ahead.

They both knew what they were in for when Biden nominated Garland and Garland took the job. I wanted a firebrand that would not hesitate a moment to start dispensing the justice we were so hungry for over the previous four years. That orange motherfucker keeps getting away with so much criminality - I wanted an AG to come down on him immediately with the hammer of justice.

But I understand that would have been seen as pure political retribution by the other side. Oh, they're going to call it that anyway, but once we see all the evidence the J6 committee has (and from what we've seen so far), it needed to be handled this way: methodically, with a bipartisan commission. We can counter the cries of "political witch hunt" with facts. I know facts have never stopped the other side.

But this is the right way to do it: by presenting the case to We the People rather than having the DOJ investigating this in the darkness. Remember how hungry we were to learn ANYTHING about the Mueller investigation? This way the commission presents its evidence to the public at large before any decisions are made by the DOJ, and it's possible - if they have more bombshells like the Big Rip-Off - their evidence may change some minds. In this manner, they are not only working on justice, they are working on the future of the country.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
26. All witnesses so far are Republicans.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 11:15 PM
Jun 2022

And one co-Chair leading the charge is Republican.

The so-called "witch hunt" by partisan Democrats is "bulls*it" as usual.

I agree Garland will clean up the orange crook's criminal mess if we GOTV.

Blue Wave 2.0 (+2 more Dem Senators to nullify Manchin & Sinema obstruction).

Socal31

(2,491 posts)
27. I have a healthy but not fatalistic skepticism.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 12:55 AM
Jun 2022

Then again, that's how I approach most things in life.

I know there is a ton that I don't know going on behind the scenes, so im still withholding judgement on AG Garland.

However, I'd feel much better about the DOJ's intentions if this report was addressed directly and specifically.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

quakerboy

(14,869 posts)
29. If i inherited a snake pit
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 03:09 AM
Jun 2022

the first thing i would do is assess whether i wanted it. And if I did, the second thing would be to remove all the snakes. Pits are bad enough without snakes, Id not care to share a pit with them. Plus lots of folks out there in the herpitological world want snakes of all sorts, so i might be able to turn a profit with their removal.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
31. Advocacy is hot-blooded.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:27 AM
Jun 2022

Enforcement is the opposite, and rightly so. Cold-blooded, precise and balanced. As much as many of us would love to see a sharpened scythe tear through that field of weeds, that scythe cuts both ways.

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