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3825-87867

(1,931 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 12:51 PM Jun 2022

How many are still in the DOJ?

From Donoghue:

“You should understand that your entire department leadership will resign. Every [assistant attorney general] will resign. ... Mr. President, these aren’t bureaucratic leftovers from another administration. You picked them. This is your leadership team. You sent every one of them to the Senate; you got them confirmed. What is that going to say about you, when we all walk out at the same time?”

How many of trump's picks still are working at (or against) the DOJ, Joe? And why?

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How many are still in the DOJ? (Original Post) 3825-87867 Jun 2022 OP
I find this question tiring... brooklynite Jun 2022 #1
Exactly PJMcK Jun 2022 #4
Ignorant pov? 3825-87867 Jun 2022 #7
there are always career prosecutors at DOJ who span different administrations bigtree Jun 2022 #2
I used to work for the federal government and no one talks about their politics Claustrum Jun 2022 #3
Joe can only replace people that were appointed. pwb Jun 2022 #5
didn't tfg find a way to move appointees into regular service positions? getagrip_already Jun 2022 #6
Why ask us? Novara Jun 2022 #8
Who is Donoghue? pwb Jun 2022 #9
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
1. I find this question tiring...
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jun 2022

...in that it assumes that the DOJ leadership is unwilling or unable to manage its staff.

My wife went to work for the Trump Treasury Dept. She's still at the Biden Treasury Dept. She's a professional. The political people left when the Administration changed.

PJMcK

(25,045 posts)
4. Exactly
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jun 2022

Just because someone works in the Federal Government doesn't make them an ally of the current administration. The great majority of Federal employees have non-political jobs that represent most of their careers. The whole government doesn't change after each transfer of power. That would be impossible to manage.

And completely unnecessary. Why would engineers at NASA have to be replaced because the presidency had changed hands? Or members of the armed services. Or clerks and accountants at the IRS. That doesn't make any sense. Sure, most of the leadership teams for the departments and agencies would change but that's a small percentage of the workforce.

As usual, you're right, brooklynite. It is a tiresome and somewhat ignorant point of view.

3825-87867

(1,931 posts)
7. Ignorant pov?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jun 2022

These were the people Trump Picked. I mentioned nothing about carreer pros already their.
Really sorry you two took a meaning.

You know what? Never mind. Any reply isn't worth it.
Seems a need by some to denigrate others over their point of view.

bigtree

(94,179 posts)
2. there are always career prosecutors at DOJ who span different administrations
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jun 2022

...political appointees, however, are vetted and jettisoned.

from February, 2021:

Justice Dept. Directs Trump-Appointed U.S. Attorneys to Leave
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/us/politics/justice-department-us-attorneys.html

U.S. attorneys, the top federal prosecutors in the Justice Department’s offices around the country, are typically political appointments made by presidents. When former President Donald J. Trump’s appointees leave office, their positions will be filled by acting officials, most often career prosecutors from those offices, until their replacements are confirmed, the department said in a statement on Tuesday.

“We are committed to ensuring a seamless transition,” Mr. Wilkinson said in the statement. “Until U.S. attorney nominees are confirmed, the interim and acting leaders in the U.S. attorneys’ offices will make sure that the department continues to accomplish its critical law enforcement mission, vigorously defend the rule of law and pursue the fair and impartial administration of justice for all.”

The Justice Department said that about one-third of the nation’s 94 U.S. attorneys’ offices were already being overseen by acting or interim leaders, and that President Biden would announce his nominees later.

Claustrum

(5,058 posts)
3. I used to work for the federal government and no one talks about their politics
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jun 2022

or that they quit because the other party is in office. Given, my agency was a lot less political than the DoJ and it was pre-TFG era. Most of my friends are still there and no one quitted because they disagree with the president or the party in power. Most people don't quit being an attorney at the DoJ when the party they don't agree to get in power. It's a career that you spend your life at building (just like people in private sector).

pwb

(12,636 posts)
5. Joe can only replace people that were appointed.
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jun 2022

Civil service people come from both sides all the time. People cant be fired for their politics. I as a life long democrat was hired buy Uncle Sam when a Republican was president.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
6. didn't tfg find a way to move appointees into regular service positions?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jun 2022

Thus becoming civies...

Also, they made it a point to drive out any civies they could who didn't pass their smell test.

I seem to remember at least some appointees being converted to staff.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
8. Why ask us?
Wed Jun 15, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jun 2022

How the fuck would we know?

Maybe you should do a little research ans see what you come up with. Look for political appointees, when they were appointed and by whom, and look for career civil servants, do a little math and get back to us.

Here's something to get you started: https://www.justice.gov/agencies/chart

And: https://www.justice.gov/agencies/alphabetical-listing-components-programs-initiatives


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