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Please don't ask Luttig anything else. Just ask Keebler Elf Guy. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 OP
They ask him, I mute..n/t SheilaAnn Jun 2022 #1
Me, too. n/t Peregrine Took Jun 2022 #15
Apparently there are people here on DU Haggis 4 Breakfast Jun 2022 #34
Amen. He impresses me as a person who speaks slowly to cover Ilsa Jun 2022 #60
He has important testimony iemanja Jun 2022 #43
I thought I was the only one. frogmarch Jun 2022 #56
Exactly. Painful to listen to him. LymphocyteLover Jun 2022 #2
A simple yes or no question would take twenty minutes. sop Jun 2022 #3
He's all there. Just listen to what he's saying and don't get hung up on his delivery. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #4
I'm truly trying but it is driving me bonkers. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #5
I'm wondering if maybe he's, at one time, had a stroke Siwsan Jun 2022 #7
I thought he was just very nervous PatSeg Jun 2022 #16
He's thinking about his answers inthewind21 Jun 2022 #17
There was some speculation about that years ago. Haggis 4 Breakfast Jun 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Haggis 4 Breakfast Jun 2022 #37
He's making it easier to take notes, though. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #9
Court reporters probably love him. sop Jun 2022 #19
What..... do..... you.... mean.....? 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2022 #6
An ultra conservative is saying that tfg is guilty as shit and should be in prison NightWatcher Jun 2022 #8
Imagine the stress. mahina Jun 2022 #10
I agree. His testimony is painful to him. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #21
Exactly. The answers can't be Yes, No, Lock Him Up, though we would like. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #24
And also his former cilla4progress Jun 2022 #36
Either he's not all there OR he's trying to answer the question without really saying anything. nt woodsprite Jun 2022 #11
He's saying a LOT inthewind21 Jun 2022 #20
Ha, I thought same thing, a drunken word salad. txwhitedove Jun 2022 #26
Maybe it's just all the long pauses and how he's delivering it that it seems very disjointed. nt woodsprite Jun 2022 #31
He's all there and he's really saying something. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #29
Ask Eliot Rosewater Jun 2022 #12
He's. Very... Thoughtful. dchill Jun 2022 #13
Just imagine if SNL parodies this. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #14
Maybe Peter Coyote for Mr. Elfman, er Jacob. yorkster Jun 2022 #40
Just have two people dressed as a sloth and KeeblerElf. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #42
He reminded me of Tim Conway's 100 year old man character Bucky Jun 2022 #69
So agree! Better Days Ahoy Jun 2022 #18
Hard to remember inthewind21 Jun 2022 #48
You know, in retrospect ... Better Days Ahoy Jun 2022 #62
I was so embarrassed for this man who was suppose to be a legal scholar. Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #23
WTF are you talking about? iemanja Jun 2022 #45
+1 chowder66 Jun 2022 #47
My agreement with the above comments. Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #53
The OP above and your response iemanja Jun 2022 #55
You should inthewind21 Jun 2022 #50
Never had a problem. Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #51
The people behind Luttig may need to use electric paddles on him. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #25
He speaks the way I do to my 2 year old nephew. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #28
He suddenly seems to have woken up now Quakerfriend Jun 2022 #27
I'm skipping his testimony. Will watch later on YouTube at 2x speed. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2022 #30
He's attempting to thread the needle bottrott Jun 2022 #32
Jeez Louise. Al Gore speaks 10 times faster than Luttig. Al Gore. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #33
Wow, really? mcar Jun 2022 #35
Bad TV, huh? Triloon Jun 2022 #38
Well he just said he would lay down his body on the road tavernier Jun 2022 #39
Well said. n/t yorkster Jun 2022 #41
The person who posted another OP is right iemanja Jun 2022 #44
What in the world are you talking about? Hamlette Jun 2022 #46
When our democracy dies, look back at this post and many of the replies... W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #49
Amen to that! Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2022 #52
Exactly inthewind21 Jun 2022 #54
💯💔 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #59
His testimony was riveting. You should have listened. lamp_shade Jun 2022 #57
+1. N/T obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2022 #61
I wish I could have. He was like streaming a movie by dialup Bucky Jun 2022 #68
Who is Keebler Elf Guy that you speak of? lamp_shade Jun 2022 #58
I was just being silly because his ears stick out. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #63
Did you mean, immature? Disregarding? MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #64
Mea culpa. I get it. Going to bed now. Take care. Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #65
You take care too. 🤗 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #66
I thought the guy was fascinating. EndlessWire Jun 2022 #67

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,453 posts)
34. Apparently there are people here on DU
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:11 PM
Jun 2022

who cannot wrap their minds around that WHAT he is saying is far more important that HOW it comes out.

LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.

This man is a one of the MOST repected judges in the US today. He was (top of the) short-list for SCOTUS, but the trumpies knew that he tolerates NO misinterpretation or re-imagining of the Constitution. He does not tolerate fools. He is a brilliant legal and Constitutional scholar, with very few peers at his level. Glenn Kirscher has spoken about Michael Luttig in the most reverent of terms.

For those who cannot follow a speaker who doesn't speak in soundbites, or flashy commentary, welcome to the world of legal scholarship at the highest level.

Try to keep up.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
60. Amen. He impresses me as a person who speaks slowly to cover
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 05:57 PM
Jun 2022

for a speech impediment, such as stuttering. I enjoyed hearing what he had to say. I just wish the Rs would finally take this seriously and throw trump to the wolves. Or out of a window.

PatSeg

(47,397 posts)
16. I thought he was just very nervous
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jun 2022

but thought that was odd for a federal judge. Perhaps he did have a stroke at one time. I really feel for him as he seems so uncomfortable.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
17. He's thinking about his answers
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jun 2022

before he just blurts them out. Would you rather a 90 to nothing word salad?

Response to Siwsan (Reply #7)

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,975 posts)
6. What..... do..... you.... mean.....?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jun 2022

Seriously though, I think he's invaluable as a witness. Eastman clerked for him.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. An ultra conservative is saying that tfg is guilty as shit and should be in prison
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jun 2022

It pains him to condemn a fellow "republican", but he knows he has to do it.


Imagine a parent testifying to send a child away to prison. He's being particular and plain. Showing no effectuation.

Baitball Blogger

(46,699 posts)
21. I agree. His testimony is painful to him.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jun 2022

But he knows it's the right thing to do. Maybe the perfect example of the old meaning of ambivalent.

txwhitedove

(3,928 posts)
24. Exactly. The answers can't be Yes, No, Lock Him Up, though we would like.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:04 PM
Jun 2022

Former Federal judge doesn't miss a beat on rapid fire questions.

cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
36. And also his former
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:15 PM
Jun 2022

Clerk, Eastman.

I think he is just shocked..never thought it could come to this.

Suffers from a failure of imagination..

SMDH

Ocelot II

(115,670 posts)
29. He's all there and he's really saying something.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jun 2022

He's talking faster now; maybe he's just running on an older OS that takes awhile to boot up.

Now he's explaining how Eastman, et al. tried to take advantage of the wording of the 12th Amendment to enable Pence to decide the election. "Constitutional mischief," he said.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
12. Ask
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:56 PM
Jun 2022

Him what the Democratic slang word used by democratic politicians and lawyers is for Republicans.

And when he has no answer ask him to politely start calling the Democratic people by the proper name.

I might be talking about a different person I am only listening not watching I’m talking about the person who purposely said democRAT

yorkster

(1,479 posts)
40. Maybe Peter Coyote for Mr. Elfman, er Jacob.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jun 2022

I think Luttig is a slow and thoughtful speaker, aware of gravity of the situation, etc.

I have to admit, though, that I would definitely tune in for a cold open based on Messrs. Luttig, Jacob et al at today's hearing.

Better Days Ahoy

(698 posts)
18. So agree!
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jun 2022

Plodding, uninteresting, excruciatingly slow. Hard to remember the first part of each sentence as he crawls toward the end of each comment. Reminds me of an international studies professor who really should have retired 10 years earlier.
The panel must have amazing facial expression control as he slow-walks his explanation. Good thing that they're not showing them during his testimony.

Better Days Ahoy

(698 posts)
62. You know, in retrospect ...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:11 PM
Jun 2022

... I have to agree with you. I read a later post that Luttig, SCOTUS runner-up to Alito, was aiming his remarks at the current SCOTUS members should they be tempted to rule stupidity on this topic.
Judge Luttig's final comments took my breath away. Respect. I should take down my initial comment as it wasn't fair to him.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
23. I was so embarrassed for this man who was suppose to be a legal scholar.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jun 2022

He should have never been a witness.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
45. WTF are you talking about?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 03:20 PM
Jun 2022

Maybe they should have George Clooney as a stand it and read for him. JFC.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
55. The OP above and your response
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jun 2022

Are absurd. You don't appear to be listening to the substance of what he says. He speaks slowly and deliberately, but there is nothing embarrassing to anyone but Trump and his lickspittle about his testimony.

bottrott

(81 posts)
32. He's attempting to thread the needle
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:09 PM
Jun 2022

Luttig is trying to limit the damage to just the ambiguous wording of the 12th instead of a widespread, coordinated attempt to overthrow government despite the fact he, himself, would have attempted to stop that abuse. That requires extreme hesitation and deliberation of every response so as not to open the door to a more widespread interpretation or reframing of what he says.

mcar

(42,301 posts)
35. Wow, really?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jun 2022

He's speaking slowly and deliberately in an old-style lawyer way. But hey, he's not moving along as quickly as you'd like, so let's just ignore his very important testimony.

Triloon

(506 posts)
38. Bad TV, huh?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022

He's not there to entertain you. His testimony for the Congressional Record may not be slickly delivered but it is intelligent, deeply considered, clear, and very helpful.
Why you would insult the man who is helping you is beyond me.

tavernier

(12,377 posts)
39. Well he just said he would lay down his body on the road
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jun 2022

before he allowed Pence to certify Trump.

I think his mind is perfectly clear.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
44. The person who posted another OP is right
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 03:19 PM
Jun 2022

There is an expectation to be entertained that is truly disturbing. This is about the gravest threat to our republic, and the Judge is giving crucial testimony about that. But you don't like him because he doesn't meet your notion of good TV.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
46. What in the world are you talking about?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jun 2022

He's a slow talker but his answers are considered and kick ass. I was spellbound through all of his 3 hour interview on the subject with frontline. You should slow down long enough to watch.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/j-michael-luttig-judge-mike-pence-house-jan-6-committee-hearings/

W_HAMILTON

(7,862 posts)
49. When our democracy dies, look back at this post and many of the replies...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:46 PM
Jun 2022

...and realize that even the people on our side that should know better are helping contribute to the downward spiral through trivial and downright petty criticisms like this.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
52. Amen to that!
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

What a childish way to look at things. This very measured and conservative judge in an extremely uncomfortable position was smart enough to know the world was watching and was put in a role where there was ample opportunity to politicize anything he said. If you watched until the end, you know he had something very powerful to say-made all the more impactful because it came from a guy who probably never said anything hyperbolic or over the top in his life. A clear and present danger to democracy is a very intense thing to say-coming from someone clearly not prone to such statements speaks volumes.

Bucky

(53,997 posts)
68. I wish I could have. He was like streaming a movie by dialup
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:18 PM
Jun 2022

He literally paused so long between each word that I would forget the subject of the sentence by the time he got to the verb or predicate. I think there might be some kind of medical condition inhibiting his ability to communicate. He clearly has an incisive and experienced legal mind. But he made it very hard to listen to what should have been compelling testimony

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
64. Did you mean, immature? Disregarding?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:47 PM
Jun 2022

Disrespect to our J6 committee for calling him as a witness? Do you think our committee didn't know what they were doing? I find these attacks on the judge, bizarre and ridiculous. He was very insightful and his guarded language and delivery was riveting. These hearings are more than 20 second sound bites. This is about laying out the crimes that were committed.

EndlessWire

(6,509 posts)
67. I thought the guy was fascinating.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jun 2022

Unless you are attending an ivy league law school and he is the lecturer, or you are in some deep doo doo in court somewhere, how are you going to meet someone like this?

But, I agree, I was fairly alarmed when he first started to speak. His first paragraph was almost incomprehensible, and quite frankly, I forgot what the question was. I listen very well, and some of what he said in the beginning made no sense.

But, I finally decided that the problem is that this guy is so smart, when he explains stuff, he speaks like a text book. It is not casual conversation. He filled in every nuance of each situation, and he spoke slowly, which I think was good. His role is to explain to the American public exactly why what Trump did was illegal, and that Trump is a threat to our Democracy.

I was a bit taken back at the end when the final questioner asked him a question, and he flatly said that he had already answered the question--or something like that. The questioner had the good sense to move on immediately and thank both the witnesses for their participation.

So, I personally can understand why some people think he was awful, but also I think that he added the perspective of a legal scholar who knows what he is talking about. He did use the forceful language I seem to crave lately, and I think he nailed it.

I thought the other witness was also good, and made a good contrast to Luttig. I can't wait to hear Donald's rebuttal to today's testimony.

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