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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEureka! I now understand clearly why it has taken 17, plus, months to present these hearings.
It came to me in a fleeting flash of inspiration.
The Jan. 6 committee is utilizing the voices of living Republicans to deliver facts to the American people.
Ponder the Herculean nature of that task for a moment if you will. I believe the herding of cats is less challenging and harnessing the energies of ants to generate electricity less daunting. Posterity will compare the effort to the birth of our government, the original framing of the US constitution. But those pioneers were not forced to overcome the problem of finding any current Republican capable of reading, writing and understanding TRUTH, much less capable of comprehending the concept of FACTS. The committee should be prebooked into the high rent districts of heaven for managing to corral these shits as well as they have and still manage to see the general direction of its work lead to an accurate revelation of the story.
BTW: hang Jacob and his "Democrat" in lieu of the proper term "Democratic", describing Democratic congressmen in 2000, in his testimony, what a punk ass, for inserting his shit just because he could. Also, Luttig is the epitome of sloth squirrel. There are whole civilizations risen and fell whose first structures date to the beginning of his testimony.
Lars39
(26,104 posts)talking about Pence in heaven., and divine inspiration of founding fathers.
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)Lars39
(26,104 posts)erronis
(15,168 posts)They cooperate but also are ready to undermine.
(I guess the Democraty.)
Lars39
(26,104 posts)MLAA
(17,237 posts)questions that led to prayers, references to the Bible etc. It bothered me greatly as Im a big believer of separation of church and state. Then I thought about and relented hoping it was done in an attempt to better reach all the nutty former guy evangelicals.
Lars39
(26,104 posts)those that can be reached. Gotta speak their language sometimes.
dchill
(38,429 posts)erronis
(15,168 posts)Bev54
(10,029 posts)It took until summer 2021 before it was formed.
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)Like a seabound glacier, inexorably and predictably barreling down toward this time. Melting all along the way.
meadowlander
(4,387 posts)For all the issues with Luttig, imagine if Jim Jordan, Devon Nunez, or Ted Cruz had been sitting on the Committee.
They've slipped up and let government function a little bit here.
And using primarily video-taped sworn testimony lets them edit it down to the point instead of calling someone like Barr as a witness so he can huff and puff and make faces and nit-pick the question on the stand the same way he did during the impeachment.
Marcuse
(7,442 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,357 posts)Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 06/28/2021)
Committees: House - Rules
Latest Action: House - 06/30/2021 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. (All Actions)
Roll Call Votes: There has been 1 roll call vote
Tracker: Tip
This bill has the status Agreed to in House
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/503/text
06/30/2021-3:48pm Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
06/30/2021-3:48pm On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 222 - 190 (Roll no. 197). (text: CR H3323-3324)
06/30/2021-3:08pm The previous question was ordered pursuant to the rule.
06/30/2021-1:47pm DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 503.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/503/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)This exposition of facts to the public, in whatever format, has been as inevitable as tomorrow's dawn. The formation of the committee was merely a benchmark date of this process. In the world of people resolving conflict by telling truth to those who don't want to listen, it does not require a record of parliamentary events to initiate series of events any more than it requires that record to justify their initiation.
BumRushDaShow
(128,357 posts)and what I posted was also to correct some of the misconceptions that "Democrats were doing nothing for a year and a half".
One of the purposes of Congress is "oversight" so "hearings" are to gather the details of potential problems and determine the needs for fixing those problems including via legislation.
And as an important side note - there was actually a 2nd Impeachment that happened as a result of January 6 that I think people sortof remember but then forget.
The Impeachment Resolution was submitted January 11, 2021 (5 days after Janaury 6) and was passed by the House on January 13, 2021. It was then engrossed and sent to the Senate on January 25, 2021.
117th Congress] (2021-2022) | Get alerts
Resolution
Sponsor: Rep. Cicilline, David N. [D-RI-1] (Introduced 01/11/2021)
Committees: House - Judiciary
Latest Action: Senate - 02/13/2021 The Senate adjudges that Donald John Trump, former President of the United States, is not guilty as charged in the Article of Impeachment by Yea-Nay Vote. 57 - 43. Record Vote Number: 59. (All Actions)
Roll Call Votes: There have been 2 roll call votes
Tracker: This bill has the status Agreed to in House
Received in Senate (01/25/2021)
117th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. RES. 24
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 25, 2021
Received
RESOLUTION
Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following article of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION
The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives shall have the sole Power of Impeachment and that the President shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Further, section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits any person who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States from hold[ing] any office under the United States. In his conduct while President of the United Statesand in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executedDonald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that:
On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, DC. There, he reiterated false claims that we won this election, and we won it by a landslide. He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouragedand foreseeably resulted inlawless action at the Capitol, such as: if you dont fight like hell youre not going to have a country anymore. Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Sessions solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive, and seditious acts.
President Trumps conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to find enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.
In all this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
Attest: cheryl l. johnson,
Speaker of the House of Representatives
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/24/text
The Senate trial began February 9, 2021 and concluded with an acquittal vote on February 13, 2021.
So some of the research from the above laid a foundation for the creation of that J6 Committee, that had to navigate the Kevin McCarthy landmines of putting the usual loon clowns like Gymsuit Jordan on the Committee, which would have made it a joke.
So after all that, I will just say that "the public" saw an "exposition of facts" literally days after the event via a 2nd Impeachment. I'll also note that the J6 Committee ALSO had a hearing a year ago, a couple weeks after they came into existence (July 27, 2021), which folks also forget (and even the Committee seems to forget it ) - https://january6th.house.gov/legislation/hearings/law-enforcement-experience-january-6th
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)The members have been diligent. They have pitfalls and contrivance all around their every step. Placed purposefully by those who would usurp the power of justice for their own grabs at power for its own sake. I can't stand at their side nor encourage them in their moments of despair. I think the biggest problem in the maintenance of America is that the government has relegated it's work to book keepers. Accountants can't govern but they can cause ignorance to become a norm.
BumRushDaShow
(128,357 posts)Well as a now-retired 30+ year "bureaucrat" (or "bookeeper" as you might be calling the feds) many might be surprised that "we" (civil servants) actually believed in providing a "public service". And when we witnessed a veritable panoply of "elected officials" who have come and gone, "we" were still there to hold down the fort, and keep the country from completely collapsing during periods of wild political policy whiplash, and in my case, that meant working under 6 different Presidents.
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)In your opinion, do bureaucrats' political predispositions unintentionally impact the workings of government on a macro scale? Does their exposure to politicians harden them to the whims of polity?
BumRushDaShow
(128,357 posts)It was Raygun...
And although it might boggle the mind how nowadays, you have increasingly loony GOP civil servants who will "rant and rave about the government" that they get their paychecks from , the low-levels don't usually have any "political impact" or say whatsoever. That usually happens much further up the chain - i.e., the managers and their staff that some of the low-level appointees might bring in who are strictly there to "follow and enforce orders", but who often become the "fall guys" as it were, for whatever decisions get made by those who we would dub the "GS-1000s".
And after awhile, you do have to get hardened to it as every day you come into the office, there are "official portraits" of whoever is the current President hanging prominently up on a wall in the building lobby. Most of the appointees don't last a full term as it is.
ancianita
(35,925 posts)but blow the roof off the House.
Kudos to James Goldson, multimedia producer of the evidence bombs.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Martin68
(22,755 posts)going. They had to get this right, and they did.
bucolic_frolic
(43,025 posts)so what would you expect?
jaxexpat
(6,791 posts)Personally, I just get annoyed listening to Republican's opinionating, no matter what they're saying.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)I cringed every time someone would say hurry up and just do it.
malaise
(268,638 posts)and I heard that Democrat and said Eff you too.
malaise
(268,638 posts)and I heard that Democrat and said Eff you too.