****1/6 Committee Hearings Day 3, thread THREE****

[Scrivener7]

(Here's the link to thread TWO if you need to refer back: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16808293)

[IcyPeas]

1. Deputy press secretary said they thought Trump needed to tweet something immediately. And he did...

Deputy press secretary said they thought Trump needed to tweet something immediately. And he did... but it was about Mike Pence. #HATH

Link to tweet

[Scrivener7]

2. We saw it happen, but this shows cause and effect. "The situation

was already bad but we felt that he was pouring gasoline on the fire."

[crickets]

12. Seeing these tweets again reminds me of how GLAD we all were when Twitter

finally banned tfg. The man is a menace and should never have a major social media account again.

[cilla4progress]

20. Me 2.

Fuck Musk.

[Lars39]

3. Secret Service routing Pence to a secure location

[livetohike]

4. Describing the Secret Service moving Pence

to another location.

[Lars39]

5. 40 feet between mob and Pence,

[nolabear]

8. Jesus.

Imagine after that not feeling safe getting into a car with them.

[Lars39]

11. Jacob looked rattled

[IcyPeas]

6. pence in hiding that day:

[TwilightZone]

86. That's his wife closing the curtains.

I can't imagine what was going through the minds of Pence, his family, and his staff. The situation transcends politics, in my opinion.

[IcyPeas]

87. If I remember right Mrs. Pence couldn't stand Trump.

[TwilightZone]

88. I'm not sure anyone can.

I think even his family mostly just tolerates him because he's making them rich.

[livetohike]

7. Witness said the Proud Boys would have killed

Mike Pence if given a chance.

[Scrivener7]

9. Proud Boys said they would have killed anyone they got their hands on

if they were given the chance including Pence and Pelosi.

[Lars39]

10. Photo..Pence in docking bay(?)

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Looked like a loading dock or garage in the Capitol basement somewhere...

[livetohike]

13. Jacob: VP refused to get into a Secret Service car. He

did not want to take any chance that the world would see the VP leaving the Capitol.

[Scrivener7]

14. Said he trusted his own guy but not the one driving the car.

[livetohike]

18. That's frightening. Wish the committee would expand

on that comment.

[nolabear]

17. So he didn't want to be seen leaving. Hmmmmm...maybe.

In a way it would be his duty to leave I’d think.

[crickets]

23. Credit to Pence for realizing that if he got into that car,

it would leave with him in it to go who know where. He knew he could not leave and have any confidence that he'd be able to return.

[cilla4progress]

15. Haha guess tfg grabbed Pence

by the pussy!!

🤣

[Lars39]

19. Did Trump ever call Pence to check on his safety? no

[AngryOldDem]

32. Why would he?

Trump didn’t give a shit about Pence, and why Pence hasn’t been more outspoken I don’t understand. Decorum be damned. That fucker could have destroyed government, and killed Pence in the process. Fuck him.

[viva la]

67. And his wife and daughter!

[Mersky]

21. Most of Pence's staff got in the cars while the VP did not!

According to Jacob.

[AngryOldDem]

36. No. He felt obligated to stay in his position as VP.

Got to respect that.

[Mersky]

63. Correct, Pence refused to get in the car

But most of his staff did get in the cars. I just found that an interesting detail. Had to be an intense moment.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Email read from Jacob to Eastman - "Thanks to your bullshit we are now under seige"

[crickets]

31. Oh, it couldn't possibly be because tfg incited an insurrection. 🙄

[livetohike]

24. Eastman e-mailed Jacob to have Pence "do what we told

him to do” to suspend the electoral certification.

[mercuryblues]

25. Holey, good god damned

even after the attack those fuckers still tried to overthrow the government.

[BumRushDaShow]

28. They haven't let up!

[greenjar_01]

29. That was truly ridiculous

11:44 PM on January 6! What a piece of shit this Eastman is.

Pence: That's rubber room stuff.

[uponit7771]

34. +1, I think they knew about the fake Trump electors too !!!

[mercuryblues]

94. All of it

Trump knew and was 100% involved in the planning. Everyone had a role to play, and trump played his to a tee. Pence, on the other hand,

people were so open about their plans because they never thought they would fail.

[uponit7771]

95. +1, looking at it they had a decent chance with the fake TFG electors if the national archive

... had not shared with the fake Trump certificates with state electors and told them they wouldn't be accepted !!

[mercuryblues]

96. +1

[AngryOldDem]

26. This gets more damning by the day.

Mike Pence — Savior of American Democracy. (After checking with Dan Quayle.)

I had to listen to much of this in the car on NPR. Totally frustrating experience.

[chowder66]

90. I was just thinking about this. Today it was said he knew from the beginning

that it was unconstitutional and yet all of this due diligence was done and Pence still had to confer with Dan Quayle.


snip....

"Costa and Woodward report that Pence rang up Quayle in late December to ask if there was any way he could give Trump want he wanted, according to the Washington Post:

Quayle was adamant, according to the authors. “Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” he said.

But Pence pressed him, the authors write, asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of ongoing legal challenges. Quayle was unmoved, and Pence ultimately agreed, according to the book.

CNN’s version added some additional detail to Pence’s entreaty:

"You don't know the position I'm in," he said, according to the authors.

"I do know the position you're in," Quayle responded. "I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That's all you do. You have no power."

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/dan-quayle-talked-mike-pence-rejecting-trump-what-story-n1279406

[ReluctanceTango]

97. Loathe Pence, but I think he wanted the reassurance

Of someone who had been there--namely as a VP, overseeing the opening of the votes for a one-term POTUS. Very few people have been in that position. Quayle had been. Plus, he was also from Indiana.

Call it an extra shot of courage.

[Scrivener7]

27. In writing, Eastman asked Jacobs to "consider one more relatively

minor violation" of federal law and send the votes back to the states.

This was AFTER the coup attempt.

[livetohike]

30. Running video clip of Pence finalizing the electoral

certification.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Replaying the final vote tally on January 7 for the Electors

(and I was up just before 4 am when that happened)

[uponit7771]

56. +1,

[BumRushDaShow]

69. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142661143

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14838049

[Lars39]

35. How did your faith guide you on January 6th? Wtf

[IcyPeas]

37. the bible? oh jeez.

[livetohike]

38. Jacob giving us a Bible lesson. n/t

[Scrivener7]

39. I'm not a Bible person, but Daniel 6 is a smart appeal to republiQans.

[livetohike]

44. Eastman sent a letter requesting a pardon. n/t

[Scrivener7]

49. Too much. I really want to know that whole list of people who requested.

[livetohike]

57. Maybe they will tell us eventually. n/t

[mercuryblues]

75. But didn't get one

Didn't he know that he failed at his job and then became useless to trump. A LOSER, if you will.

This is pure speculation on my part...
Then he went to Jared, I guess he was too poor to buy one from Jared.

The fact that he isn't negotiating a deal makes him a sucker. IMO.

[livetohike]

84. Let's see the list of who requested a pardon. That will

Say a lot. Plus none of them got one. Typical Trump though. Use everyone and give them nothing on return.

[mercuryblues]

93. IKR

[Mersky]

40. Gross. I feel gross and manipulated hearing about the prayer and Bible verse.

Is inappropriate, imo.

[Scrivener7]

45. But consider who they are trying to convince. It isn't you and me.

It's the small slice of repubiQans who can be swayed. And they'll eat it up.

[Mersky]

52. True, just doesn't work on me

The sweat on Jacob’s forehead balances it out. I appreciate his testifying.

[Lars39]

41. Video of Herschman's free legal advice...

Eastman wanting a pardon. Denied pardon

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Eastman email to Ghouliani - add me to the "pardons list"

[sinkingfeeling]

43. Eastman wanted to be on the pardon list! LOL!

[BumRushDaShow]

46. "Eastman plead the Fifth a hundred times"

[crickets]

50. He just keeps saying "Fifth." What a weasel. nt

[txwhitedove]

51. And appeared did not give any response without lawyer input. Traitor.

[livetohike]

47. Eastman pled the 5th 100 times. n/t

[Sympthsical]

48. Pence's lawyer is fire

Reminds me of some of the Irish ball busters I grew up around in Chicago. No bullshit, not entertaining bullshit, GTFO.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. Now doing closing statements - Aguilar first, Cheney now..

[Lars39]

54. Sounds like they're wrapping up... Cheney up now

[livetohike]

55. Cheney giving a closing statement n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Thompson doing his closing...

[dweller]

59. What were Luttig's words

That were read to him, and he said something like ‘exactly what I said’


✌🏻

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Thompson having Luttig give some closing thoughts

[Lars39]

61. Asking Luttig about ongoing danger

[Scrivener7]

62. Whoa! Apparently Luttig said in writing that tfg and his people were prepared to seize the

presidency in 24 if they are not stopped.

That will go far with republiQans.

[livetohike]

64. Judge Luttig calling Trump, his Allie's and supporters

are a “clear and present danger to democracy”.

[jimlup]

65. Wow!

Well said

[lindysalsagal]

66. "Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and

Present danger to the USA." Luttig, retired u.s. judge.

Amen.

[dalton99a]

70. +1

[crickets]

77. Boom. That is the statement we've all been waiting for.

Thank you, Judge Luttig, for finally saying it out loud.

[Scrivener7]

68. OK. He can talk as slow as he wants. THIS is the most important point the hearings can make!!

Essentially: they are openly planning to do this again in 24.

[demmiblue]

71. This is very compelling...

Luttig is shook (and so am I)

[Lars39]

72. Committee going to review Electoral Compact

[livetohike]

73. Thompson asking those who might be on the fence

about testifying to reach out to them.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. ***NOW ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY***

[Lars39]

76. Whew! A lot to process

[Scrivener7]

78. ADJOURNED. Thank you all so much for participating in the threads.

It is great to be virtually on the sofa with you as we watch history taking place.

[livetohike]

80. Thanks for starting the threads! Nice watching this with

all of you.

[Lars39]

81. Thanks for hosting the threads, Scrivener7!

Here’s a palate cleanser….

[crickets]

82. Agreed - Thanks for thread wrangling today, Scrivener! 💙

[IcyPeas]

83. thanks for the threads.

[IcyPeas]

79. Tipline: https://january6th.house.gov.

Thompson asks those who might be on the fence about cooperating, please reach out. (Raskin said this morning that lots of folks are suddenly discovering they want to tell their stories.) #HATH

https://january6th.house.gov.

Link to tweet

[Mersky]

85. Luttig's closing statements are stunning

I think I held my breath as I took a video of those comments. Was watching a couple mins behind the thread here on DU, so was ready with my phone.

Thank you for everyone contributing to these threads! Makes it easier to follow and remember!

[electric_blue68]

89. Ty, Scrivener.

[Scrivener7]

91. You're welcome!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

92. The hearing ended strong

Link to tweet