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867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:44 PM Jun 2022

The J6 Committee should be sharing all information the DOJ needs. Full stop.

I've been critical and cynical toward Garland and the DOJ in regard to prosecuting TFG and his inner circle. I guess I still am.

That said, the J6 committee has no reason to impede them by withholding evidence they have requested.

As said by the DOJ in a letter -

“The Select Committee’s failure to grant the Department access to these transcripts complicates the Department’s ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in relation to the January 6 attack on the Capitol”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/16/tensions-escalate-as-doj-renews-request-for-jan-6-panel-transcripts-00040267

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The J6 Committee should be sharing all information the DOJ needs. Full stop. (Original Post) 867-5309. Jun 2022 OP
I wonder why the DOJ hasn't interviewed all these witnesses themselves. MontanaMama Jun 2022 #1
No kidding! SheltieLover Jun 2022 #2
Not true... Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #3
It seems like we're compromising prosecutions because of a pissing match 867-5309. Jun 2022 #5
I don't know but the folks on the J6 MontanaMama Jun 2022 #11
Why do you think they haven't? onenote Jun 2022 #12
This sounds like some serious bs from justice. DURHAM D Jun 2022 #4
Hope Joe and Merick are having chats. Seriously. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2022 #7
They can not be chatting. nt DURHAM D Jun 2022 #10
He's Joe's pick for AG, not Joe's AG. As it should be. OnDoutside Jun 2022 #14
Thank you. tishaLA Jun 2022 #17
Yes, and the previous 4 years had normalised that perception OnDoutside Jun 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #6
Isn't there a separation-of-powers problem? Frasier Balzov Jun 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #9
They will get it when the House is done. bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #13
100% agree. OnDoutside Jun 2022 #15
DOJ has to share it with the defense teams... Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #16
K&R UTUSN Jun 2022 #19

MontanaMama

(23,292 posts)
1. I wonder why the DOJ hasn't interviewed all these witnesses themselves.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:53 PM
Jun 2022

It’s not like any of this was a secret. They’ve had a year and a half to do so. I believe the J6 committee will turn over their work product but they’ll do it when they see fit. There’s something off with the timing of this imho. DOJ seems awfully grabby all of a sudden.

Ohio Joe

(21,724 posts)
3. Not true...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:00 PM
Jun 2022

Looks like they just found out one of their witnesses against Tarrio also testified with the committee:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/16/why-january-6-committee-transcripts-are-urgent-proud-boy-jeremy-bertino/

They have to be certain before the trial of what was said. Surprises during a trial can be disastrous.

 

867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
5. It seems like we're compromising prosecutions because of a pissing match
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:01 PM
Jun 2022

What reason does the J6 committee have to hesitate? The DOJ isn't taking information away from them. It wouldn't weaken the J6 committee. They can both use it.

MontanaMama

(23,292 posts)
11. I don't know but the folks on the J6
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:46 PM
Jun 2022

aren’t slouches. That said, is it possible that the DOJ could take the J6 transcripts and shut down the hearings for some reason claiming privilege? I’m just spitballing, I don’t know…but there’s a reason the J6 is taking a pause with this.

onenote

(42,509 posts)
12. Why do you think they haven't?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:59 PM
Jun 2022

They never said they needed the interview transcripts because they haven't interviewed these people. In fact, they suggested just the opposite, specifically stating that "it is critical that the Department be able to evaluate the credibility of witnesses who have provided statements to multiple governmental entities in assessing the strength of any potential criminal prosecutions and to ensure that all relevant evidence is considered during the criminal investigations. We cannot be sure that all relevant evidence has been considered without access to the transcripts that are uniquely within the Select Committee's possession."

DOJ also has a legitimate need for access to these interviews because they are trying to convict very litigious defendants who could blow up the DOJ's case if the committee transcripts are released AFTER the trials begin. DOJ first asked for the transcripts in May, when the trial date was set for August. Because the committee refused, DOJ had no choice but to agree to a delay in the Proud Boys seditious conspiracy trial from August until December because the Committee doesn't plan to release transcripts until September, which will come in the middle of that trial and create a mess since the Defendants wouldn't have been able to prepare for the information that gets disclosed. Remember this is a conspiracy trial and each defendant has a need for and a right to see what the other alleged co-conspirators said to the Government. The judge in the trial has been serious about DOJ's obligations under the law to ensure that the defendants are provided access to potentially exculpatory information and it would be crazy for DOJ to ignore those concerns.

Here's the docket for the Proud Boys case. I suggest you take a look -- it will lay to rest any concerns you might have that the DOJ has been engaging in a very robust and extensive investigation -- one that has led to the initial indictment of one defendant on four relatively innocuous charges to the issuance of superseding indictments that now include six defendants and nine charges including seditious conspiracy. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59704100/united-states-v-nordean/?page=3

DURHAM D

(32,603 posts)
4. This sounds like some serious bs from justice.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:00 PM
Jun 2022

The DOJ is still full of Republican operatives so blah, blah, blah.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,255 posts)
7. Hope Joe and Merick are having chats. Seriously.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:20 PM
Jun 2022

He is Joe's AG and he should be paying attention to the bigger picture.

OnDoutside

(19,945 posts)
14. He's Joe's pick for AG, not Joe's AG. As it should be.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:14 AM
Jun 2022

Unlike the toadies like Barr that Trump picked.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
17. Thank you.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:34 AM
Jun 2022

It's like when people talk about "Biden's DOJ." The only person in recent history who treated the DOJ like it was his was whatshisname, the one term twice impeached failure. The DOJ is "America's DOJ" in normal times, not the property of someone who somehow managed to cobble together enough electoral votes to take office.

OnDoutside

(19,945 posts)
18. Yes, and the previous 4 years had normalised that perception
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:58 AM
Jun 2022

unfortunately. However we have also seen both the DOJ and FBI have a lot of people who have political bias but were able to check it largely at the door, but times have changed.

Response to 867-5309. (Original post)

Frasier Balzov

(2,637 posts)
8. Isn't there a separation-of-powers problem?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:22 PM
Jun 2022

Evidence uncovered by the Committee might be subject to exclusion if attempted to be used in court.

"Fruit of the poison tree" taints downstream evidence and renders it unusable.

I'll bet that is the best explanation for reluctance to share.

Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #8)

bottomofthehill

(8,315 posts)
13. They will get it when the House is done.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:15 AM
Jun 2022

They can continue to investigate for a few more months. And then they will have all the paper they want

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