Trump & the attempted murder of Mike Pence.

[kpete]

Last edited Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Pence was evacuated from his ceremonial office, he and the mob were just forty feet apart.



The Committee looked at the threat posed by the Proud Boys to Pence.

It doesn’t look at something far more substantive, though potentially far more complex. Immediately after Trump’s tweet, the Oath Keepers indictment describes communications between Roger Stone associate Kelly Meggs and Stewart Rhodes, followed by a conference call involving those two and operational lead Mike Simmons. The Oath Keepers converged, and then the first Stack and the second (made up of men who had been providing security to Roger Stone that morning) breached the East doors, along with Joe Biggs and the mob brought by Alex Jones.
Once inside, the first Stack broke up, with Meggs and others heading towards Speaker Pelosi’s office to hunt her down.

103. Shortly thereafter, WATKINS and other members ofStack One exited the Rotunda through the northbound hallway toward the Senate Chamber.

104. Around this time, a member of Stack One yelled “the fight’ s not over” and waved !rioters down the hallways toward the Senate Chamber.
105. At 2:45 p.m. and afterward, WATKINS and other Stack One members joined the imob in pushing against a line of law enforcement officers guarding the hallway connecting the Rotunda to the Senate Chamber, as WATKINS commanded those around her to “push, push, !push,” and to, “get in there, get in there,” while exclaiming, “they can’t hold us.” When officers responded by deploying a chemical spray, the mob-including WATKINS and other Stack One members-retreated.

106. At 2:45 p.m., MEGGS, HARRELSON, HACKETT, MOERSCHEL, and other Stack One members walked southbound out of the Rotunda and toward the House of Representatives in search of Speaker Pelosi. They did not find Speaker Pelosi.

The others attempted to get to the Senate, whence Mike Pence had, minutes earlier, been evacuated.

AsI’ve noted, with the sedition indictments, DOJ also added 18 USC 372 charges, conspiracy “to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person … from discharging any duties thereof.”

DOJ may never show that Trump and the mob he sicced on his Vice President conspired to kill him, or even that Trump’s 2:24PM tweet aided and abetted the attempts to find and assassinate Pence — though the judge presiding over the Oath Keepers case has deemed the possibility Trump could be held accountable for aiding and abetting to be plausible, at least for a lower civil standard. But there’s little doubt that Trump, his lawyers, two militias, and the mob entered into a common effort to prevent Pence from doing his duty that day. And with the militias,you can draw a line between Trump, his rat-fucker, Alex Jones, and the men at the Capitol to the threat and intimidation Trump sicced on his Vice President.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/17/forty-feet-trump-sicced-a-murder-weapon-on-mike-pence/
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000008392796/rile-up-the-normies-how-proud-boys-breached-the-capitol.html?src=vidm

[Ohio Joe]

1. I call it depraved indifference

I'm not sure if that is actually a legal term/crime but... That is what I call it.

[WA-03 Democrat]

2. Charles Manson's

Prosecution should be the road map for Trump

[evolves]

13. That's a compelling thought.

[kentuck]

3. "Drag the MF'ers thru the streets!"

One of his supporters was caught on camera expressing their intention.

[Johnny2X2X]

4. "Stand Back and Stand by"

HAs this quote made it into the hearings yet?

Trump refused to condemn the Proud Boys, that is so telling, "stand back and stand by." The Proud Boys were ordered by the White House to kill Mike Pence.

[eppur_se_muova]

5. If Pence had declared a month before that he wan't doing what LMcL wanted, do you really think ...

the MAGAts wouldn't have gone after him? LO'D and others are castigating Pence for not speaking up. I feel pretty sure he could have forfeited his life by doing so.

[wnylib]

8. Probably not at that point.

Trump and his acolytes would just have denied anything that Pence said and publicly ridiculed him.

The media would have made a talking game out of whether or not Pence's claims were credible.

And Trump would have gone ahead with his J6 plans any way, making sure that Pence was out of the way somehow.

[Captain Zero]

6. Stalker of Kavanagh is charged with Attempted Murder

Right?

Well these guys were stalking multiple Officers of the US Congress and multiple members of both bodies as well.

If they can bring attempted murder against Kavanaughs stalker. Then the Same applies to these guys. Trump is an accessory in planning the murder(s).

[2naSalit]

11. +1

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

7. I'm not seeing a difference

Attempted murder by proxy is still attempted murder.

[wnylib]

10. But where is the direct evidence that Trump

ordered Pence's murder?

I have no doubt that Trump orchestrated the attack in order to disrupt the proceedings and prevent the slates of votes from being certified by Congress. I have no doubt that Trump wanted Pence out of the way in order for Grassley to take over once Trump knew for certain that Pence would not comply.

The plan might have been holding Pence somewhere so he could not proceed with the certification process. Or it might have been to let the mob kill Pence.

We don't know which. We don't have a direct or even indirect (through militia communications) order for either kidnapping or murder.

So I don't see how attempted murder charges could be made.

[Traildogbob]

9. And in the middle

Of these revelations, trump is a key note speaker at a major Jesus KKKlan Jamboree this weekend, joined by Lindsay Graham and Nikki Halleyz. And all will be pushing the same provable lies and bullshit, instigating more violence and death. All under the spreading welcoming arms of THEIR Allah. So ya know what, fuck all you phony ass Christian’s that are silent or cheering it on.

[KS Toronado]

12. If Mike Pence had died Jan 6th.........

It would have been the only excuse mango mussolini would have needed to declare Martial law,
and we'd be headed toward a Putler style Government where all money flows through the top.

[rubbersole]

14. The money already flows to the top.

And getting worse. Oil company price gouging is a massive wealth transfer.