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dalton99a

(94,115 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 09:49 AM Jun 2022

As Po dries up, Italy's food and energy supplies are at risk

https://apnews.com/article/climate-italy-and-environment-e0274e5f2b4dd6bb2854cc7a970f75f6

As Po dries up, Italy's food and energy supplies are at risk
By PAOLO SANTALUCIA

BORETTO, Italy (AP) — Water is so low in large stretches of Italy’s largest river that local residents are walking through the middle of the expanse of sand and shipwrecks are resurfacing.

Authorities fear that if it doesn’t rain soon, there’ll be a serious shortage of water for drinking and irrigation for farmers and local populations across the whole of northern Italy.

In a park near the central northern village of Gualtieri, cyclists and hikers stop in curiosity to observe the Zibello, a 50-meter long (164 feet) barge that transported wood during the second world war but sank in 1943. It is normally covered by the Po’s waters.

“It’s the first time that we can see this barge,” said amateur cyclist Raffaele Vezzali as he got off the pedals to stare at the rusted ship. Vezzali was only partially surprised, though, as he knew that the lack of winter rain caused the river to reach record low levels.


People fish near a hydroelectric power plant at Isola Serafini, on the Po river in San Nazzaro, Italy, Wednesday, June 15, 2022. The drying up of the river is jeopardizing drinking water in Italy's densely populated and highly industrialized districts and threatening irrigation in the most intensively farmed part of the country. (AP Photo/Luca Bruno)


A man walks near a bridge in Boretto, Italy, on the bed of the Po river, Wednesday, June 15, 2022.


A barge dating back to World War II has re-emerged on the Po river in Gualtieri, Italy, Wednesday, June 15, 2022. Water is so low in large stretches of Italy's largest river that local residents are walking through the middle of the expanse of sand and shipwrecks are resurfacing, but authorities fear there'll be far greater consequences for farmers and local populations. (AP Photo/Luca Bruno)
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As Po dries up, Italy's food and energy supplies are at risk (Original Post) dalton99a Jun 2022 OP
Climate change is going to kill us IronLionZion Jun 2022 #1
It's the earth purging the cancer geardaddy Jun 2022 #3
Which is really sad Rural_Progressive Jun 2022 #7
Yep cilla4progress Jun 2022 #9
This, exactly geardaddy Jun 2022 #11
Starvation, disease, infant mortality kept us in tune with Earth Kaleva Jun 2022 #17
The GW fever will help rid the planet of much of the current parasitic infection. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #12
Not a lot of damage? NickB79 Jun 2022 #16
And thank you for making my point Rural_Progressive Jun 2022 #18
True. Then we had flint spearheads and fire NickB79 Jun 2022 #20
Probably didn't do a good job making myself clear Rural_Progressive Jun 2022 #28
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #8
Kinda seems like it, doesn't it? calimary Jun 2022 #13
Overpopulation is not sustainable. rubbersole Jun 2022 #14
It is, or it wouldn't be sustained. hunter Jun 2022 #25
The top 1%. Greed. rubbersole Jun 2022 #26
Yikes, this is scary! ShazzieB Jun 2022 #2
This is heartbreaking. Crossing fingers for some rain soon. n/t iluvtennis Jun 2022 #4
me too Demovictory9 Jun 2022 #22
to anthropomorphize RussBLib Jun 2022 #5
Farming is 100% dependent on predictable weather NullTuples Jun 2022 #6
I think you're correct Dave says Jun 2022 #10
I doubt that. The wealthiest people on earth exist within the most brittle environment of all. hunter Jun 2022 #19
And yet, until the last economy collapses the wealthiest of them can buy security. NullTuples Jun 2022 #21
One can buy security, but not peace of mind. hunter Jun 2022 #24
I get it now; I wasn't thinking of them at all. NullTuples Jun 2022 #27
Ship wrecks are being exposed in Italy and bodies are being exposed in US Bev54 Jun 2022 #15
Scattered around those bodies in the US are a ton of... Brother Buzz Jun 2022 #23

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
1. Climate change is going to kill us
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jun 2022

Rivers and lakes drying up, wheat crops dying out, floods in some areas, rising sea levels, wildfires, hurricanes.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
7. Which is really sad
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jun 2022

considering that indigenous people lived on the earth for thousands of years without really doing a lot of damage. Humanity's fall from grace began with the advent of agriculture and continued to accelerate with the development of technology and really kicked into high gear when the Industrial Revolution came online.

Just too much too quickly for our hard wired upright primate brain to process. Looks like Mother is going to hit the reset button and try something else.

geardaddy

(25,392 posts)
11. This, exactly
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jun 2022

It is really sad, since we, as humans, knew how to live with the earth instead of on the earth.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
17. Starvation, disease, infant mortality kept us in tune with Earth
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jun 2022

Technology and modern health care threw it all out of whack

NickB79

(20,354 posts)
16. Not a lot of damage?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jun 2022

Tell me the last time you saw a mammoth, ground sloth, sabertooth, or giant wombat.

Indigenous humans hunted hundreds of species to extinction. They only learned to live with their environments after the caused a mass extinction event.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
18. And thank you for making my point
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:27 PM
Jun 2022

They learned.

We're moving too fast and are working with basically the same hardware that caused those early people to make those destructive decisions. We are probably done since we're not going to have the time or the hard won wisdom to change our interactions with the earth.

Seems a shame the non-industrialized people have to go down with us.

NickB79

(20,354 posts)
20. True. Then we had flint spearheads and fire
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:43 PM
Jun 2022

Now we have coal, cars, toxic waste and vast farmland to destroy the environment.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
28. Probably didn't do a good job making myself clear
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:43 PM
Jun 2022

When I referred to "hardware" I was talking about our nervous system which was, and too a large extent remains, hardwired for certain responses to environmental inputs. We're still are wired for "fight or flight", for dealing well with short term disasters and really no way to deal with long term, oncoming disasters like climate change. Sad truth is we really don't have the necessary mental makeup to deal with the mess we've created.

I'm afraid the reality is we've gone too far down a dead end path and there really isn't anyway to turn around and get ourselves on a sustainable trajectory. My only hope is that I'm just a regular shlub and what do I know, I hope there's stuff going on that we aren't aware of that will surprise us all.

If there isn't well then "Say goodnight Gracie".

rubbersole

(11,223 posts)
14. Overpopulation is not sustainable.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jun 2022

2 billion humans max. There are 8 billion now. The scramble for dwindling resources won't be pretty.

hunter

(40,689 posts)
25. It is, or it wouldn't be sustained.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 05:03 PM
Jun 2022

I'm the optimistic sort. Nobody has to suffer and die.

We humans have all the tools we need to halt human population growth and feed and comfortably shelter everyone.

What's standing in the way?

rubbersole

(11,223 posts)
26. The top 1%. Greed.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 05:42 PM
Jun 2022

Oil companies have run this country for over 100 years. No sign of them going away anytime soon.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
6. Farming is 100% dependent on predictable weather
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022

It's not like as some of these regions stop being productive other ones can just be started up; the weather now is too chaotic.

I get the feeling we're heading into a global famine. I also get the feeling top capitalists have known this would be the outcome of their actions for a long, long time but figured they personally could weather it somewhere on the planet until they die.

Dave says

(5,425 posts)
10. I think you're correct
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jun 2022

Those at the top will live in their irrigated, gated cities, with trimmed lawns and green parks. We the rascal multitudes will be left to fend for ourselves while the top continues to brown and bake the land outside their cities.

hunter

(40,689 posts)
19. I doubt that. The wealthiest people on earth exist within the most brittle environment of all.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 03:29 PM
Jun 2022

They are delicate flowers living in glass houses, never any match for people who've got nothing left to lose.

The age of self-sufficient communities probably passed away with the Neanderthals.

Ever since it's been a repeating cycle of empires rising and empires falling.

The greater the economic disparities the more the oligarchs and kleptocrats have to worry about some lowly servant poisoning their tea.

The only wealthy people I've ever met who seem truly happy earned their money honestly, or stumbled upon it by accident of birth or bad marriage, and they tend to be the sort who give much of it away.



NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
27. I get it now; I wasn't thinking of them at all.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:18 PM
Jun 2022

I was thinking the Arnaults, DeVos, Adanis, Kochs, Ambanis, Helus, Bettencourt Meyers, Bloombergs, Shanshans. Waltons, Fentons, Gurleys, Cohlers, Liews, and so on - plus the top techie names. Basically the really wealthy families, the true Capital class.

Brother Buzz

(39,898 posts)
23. Scattered around those bodies in the US are a ton of...
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jun 2022

pristine speedboats, all suspiciously missing drain plugs- The Drain Plug Mafia can strikes anywhere, Baby!

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