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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is hard to believe these certain events were just a coincidence.
In the days leading up to Jan 6th, Trumps inner circle were meeting at the coup headquarters, the Willard Hotel.
The proud boys were also gathered at coup headquarters leading up to Jan 6th.
On Jan 5th, at least one Republican in congress was giving traitor tours at the capital. Did anyone on those tours have ties to the proud boys? Did any Republican giving the traitor tours have ties to the proud boys.
MSNBC released a new video showing the proud boys attacking the capital. The video proves their attack was well planned and coordinated. The proud boys were the ones that lit the match for the attack on the capital. They instigated the crowd to attack. The proud boys attacked in multiple areas, it was planned out.
There is circumstantial evidence the proud boys, Trumps inner circle and Republican members of congress were planning a coup together. The leaders of the proud boys have been charged with seditious conspiracy. If the committee or DOJ have solid evidence all of these groups were connected that would blow the roof off the House. They all could be charged with seditious conspiracy.
samplegirl
(11,462 posts)to tell me they were peaceful protestors when it first happened. I wonder if her and her husband are still watching
the channel not airing it?
Permanut
(5,561 posts)Whenever I attend a peaceful protest, I generally shit on the floors. Almost like a tourist event or a vacation.
Perfectly harmless.
What planet are these people from?
samplegirl
(11,462 posts)Sandwiched in between a trumper on the right
And one on the left of me.
Ive spent so much of my life working for my party.
This all started when I displayed a Hillary sign in my yard.
Its been hell ever since!
Permanut
(5,561 posts)We'll get you through with some sanity left until all these Mango Mussolini cult freaks are locked up.
bucolic_frolic
(43,044 posts)We are struggling with jurisdiction. J6 Committee is investigatory. It's like a tribunal without prosecutorial authority. The federal bureaucracy, unsurprisingly, has deep seated people on both sides of politics. In my view it's not so much a deep state as a both-sider state that steers down the middle but with deviations left and right.
I'm not finding the kick-ass rule of law to deal with seditious activity. I think they'll be too little and we'll muddle through, if we're lucky. If not we'll be friendly fascist for 25 years.
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)in a banana republic would face a firing squad after a brief trial.
We need to worry about being too partisan for one of the major political parties. I guarantee had this been a Democratic coup attempt the MSM would be talking about firing squads here, every network.
mopinko
(69,990 posts)expel the coup plotters/participants.
multigraincracker
(32,641 posts)we will know the truth.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Just a handful out of hundreds. But they went right for those.
And they knew exactly where the escape tunnels were.
How puzzling.
wnylib
(21,340 posts)the one that she does not take visitors to, the one that few people besides herself and her staff even know exists.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)If they laid hands on him.
But there was definitely a plan to remove him so he could not complete the electoral vote count.
They absolutely would have killed Nancy Pelosi And filmed and live-streamed her torture.
wnylib
(21,340 posts)declaring martial law.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)musclecar6
(1,684 posts)TFFG is not a smart person, but he makes up for that by being evil and cunning, kinda like Hitler and Musselini back in the day. It's certainly feasible and likely that there was coordination between these various crazy groups. TFFG does a great job of playing on all the horrible bia's and insecurities of these groups ( that he also has in spades) just like Hitler did. The worst part of this scenario is the group that is supposed to be the safe harbor balancing influence ( THE US CONGRESS) is loaded with like thinking republicans who think just like TFFG. THAT is fucking scary.
czarjak
(11,253 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,290 posts)stay at the much less expensive Harrington Hotel.
What went on at a five-star hotel near the White House the day before the riot could be a window into how a Trump-directed plot to upend the election ended in violence at the Capitol.
By Luke Broadwater and Mark Mazzetti
Nov. 9, 2021
WASHINGTON We are essentially in a national emergency, Michael T. Flynn declared on Jan. 5, during an interview with the internet conspiracy theorist Alex Jones recorded in a luxurious suite at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel near the White House.
The truth is going to come out, said Mr. Flynn, the former three-star general and national security adviser. Donald Trump will continue to be president of the United States for the next four years.
In another room of the five-star hotel, a phalanx of lawyers and political advisers for Mr. Trump including Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal lawyer; Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner; and John Eastman, a scholar working feverishly on a legal strategy to prevent Joseph R. Biden Jr. from assuming the presidency had set up a kind of command post. On the hotels grand front steps, Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime Trump adviser, was flashing his signature Nixon victory sign to fans as members of the Oath Keepers, a militant group, protected him.
Link to tweet
What unfolded at the Willard Hotel in the hours before the Capitol riot has become a prime focus of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack as the panel intensifies its scrutiny into whether there was any coordination or tie between those pushing a legal strategy to overturn the election results and those who stormed the Capitol that day as Congress met to count the electoral votes to formalize Mr. Bidens victory.
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CULTURE CLUB
How a D.C. Bar Became the Haven for the Proud Boys
Harrys Bar used to be a low-key haunt for off-duty police officers and tourists. Now, its attracted a brand-new clienteleand has become news for all the wrong reasons, from Covid-19 violations to stabbings.
DECEMBER 12, 2020: Members of The Proud Boys attending the second Million Maga March at Freedom Plaza in downtown Washington, DC pass by Harrys Restaurant and Bar in the Harrington Hotel.
By IAN WARD
12/14/2020 07:35 PM EST
Ian Ward is a writer based in Washington, D.C.
On November 14, after a long day jeering at antifascist and Black Lives Matter protesters, the Proud Boys were thirsty. In downtown Washington, D.C., where about 400 of the groups members had gathered for the Million MAGA March to protest President Donald Trumps electoral defeat, a small band of Proud Boys wandered down E Street, their feet dragging in heavy tan combat boots. The weather in D.C. had been unseasonably warm for Novemberabout 65 degrees and sunnyand the group looked sunburned and tired. Toward the back of the pack, a middle-aged man in a tactical vest and blue-mirrored sunglasses came to a stop, pulled a mango White Claw from the front pocket of his vest and cracked it open.
I want to punch some commies, he said, and took a sip.
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Joinfortmill
(14,387 posts)gab13by13
(21,256 posts)time is on the side of the traitors. The way to get to the White House isn't through the Willard Hotel, it is through the fake electors.
Fanni Willis gets it, she is going for the head of the snake.
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)we don't know if they are investigating this, so we must assume they are investigating this.
There are other crimes to prove that carry 10 year sentences, not as difficult to get a conviction. Liz Cheney spelled one out way back in January, she even read the statute. Impeding or delaying an official act of Congress, a felony with a 10 year sentence.
This isn't rocket science, but it is physics; an object needs to be moving to gain momentum, if you get my drift.
When would an actual trial of Trump's inner circle be held if DOJ applied physics? 2024? 2025? Time doesn't matter one bit to most people but it does play into the hands of the traitors.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Too many people were injured. The threat was great and continues to be great. Trump has become the greatest threat to our country.
The very future of our country is on the line. I believe the investigations will end with a very serious jolt. I believe people are going to pay a heavy price for the attempted coup.
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)the select committee referrals for Meadows and Scavino. We can give excuses why it dropped those referrals, but the select committee was not happy.
The insurrection has only gained momentum since 1/6 2021. Until Trump and the inner circle are held accountable the insurrection steam rolls onward. What did judge Luttig say about the danger to our democracy at the hearing, do you recall?
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)It is irrelevant when it comes to the investigations and future prosecutions. This has been debated here over and over again. The DOJ most likely has a dam good reason they did not charge them for contempt. One day we will learn why.
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,278 posts)Wanted to lay it on the line.
lostnfound
(16,162 posts)The US has a giant rug and a LOT of brooms when it comes to burying certain inconvenient facts.
jaxexpat
(6,799 posts)Also, the jet he provided them to secure their kids and the remaining plotters was FAR below the comfort standard they usually received on the taxpayers dime. Hey, he made them Saudis suffer plenty, I tell you!
* with tongue and heavy petting
rurallib
(62,379 posts)Botany
(70,447 posts).... were not reinforced were all targeted by mob.
I Don't Believe in This Kind of Luck
"Video shows some of the first rioters to break through the police line running past 15 reinforced windows, making a beeline for a recessed area on the Senate side of the building, where two unreinforced windows and two doors with unreinforced glass were all that stood between them and hallways leading to lawmakers inside."
The majority of the Capitols 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.
But planners skipped about a dozen ground-floor windows, including some located in doors, because they were deemed to be low risk in the event of implosion, largely due to their discreet or shielded location, or because the building couldnt structurally handle the load of the heavier frames.
And whether by sheer luck, real-time trial and error, or advance knowledge by rioters, several of those vulnerable windows and two glass-paned doors protected with only a thin Kevlar film added after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks became easy entry points for hundreds of Trump supporters who overran and ransacked the building on Jan. 6.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/
And Chuck Grassley is on record from before 1/6/21 that he thought V.P. was not going to be there for the
Electoral Vote Count.
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)the security camera video from 1/5 and is in the process of getting its ducks in a row. I Saved people time from posting that.
There is all kinds of video from security cameras and a year and a half later we are asking questions about guided tours? That is what scares me. Loudermilk originally denied even having a tour, he must have known about security cameras so why did he lie if he didn't believe nothing would come of what he did?
What about the other tours that eye witnesses observed? Will they be swept under the rug? Does DOJ have too many people investigating the Russia investigation, Hunter's laptop, and the E. Jeanne Carrol defamation law suit. Maybe DOJ didn't hire enough agents?
Did I mention that Christopher Wray is a member of the Federalist Society? Did I mention that Wray was a law school classmate of Brett Kavanaugh. Did I mention that Wray ignored all of the Kavanaugh dirt from the FBI tip line?
Wray always gets a pass, he should have been fired for failing to vet Kavanaugh.
Botany
(70,447 posts)The FBI, the DoJ, Congress, and the Federal Court System have some real right wing agents of planned
shit deeply embedded into them. Kavanaugh along with Alito, Roberts, Goursch, and Coney Island all
had been vetted by the Judicial Crisis Network. By the 1980s it was obvious because of population
dynamics and what the majority of the American People wanted if just left up to clean voting the Republicans
were headed the way of the dodo so "they" have been very busy making sure "they" keep power no matter
what. They have to be crushed in the elections this fall and the shits need to be weeded out of power.
BTW Chuck Grassley's, "I don't expect Vice President Pence to be there for the counting of the electoral votes."
was a big tip on just how wide and deep the rot is.
Sorry to
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)has been waiting for. The question is - do we have it? Was somebody in the WH directing the Capital riot?
The machinations of John Eastman were on a different track (IMO).
gab13by13
(21,256 posts)he also spent time at the Willard Hotel. Stone, Flynn, Bannon got pardons from Trump, they will never flip.
stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)virtually interchangeably. That's a mistake. They are not the same thing in general - and from what we know in this specific instance - there still appears to be some distinction. That's why I said "in a nutshell" to what the OP advanced. Can you tie the two together? I think Eastman's little game plan (via Mike Pence, electoral count, courts, and possibly false electors) - while definitely a form of sedition, and perhaps deserving of sanction and penalty on it's own weight - appears to run on a separate track from the smash an grab Proud Boys. If in fact it was all part and parcel - and under the same direction - then give me (or somebody) the evidence for it.
(We know the PBoys were not terribly good about disguising their communications, etc. And - those little darlings did not get pardons, so ...? Seems to me if they were getting direct marching orders - somebody out there knows about it.)
wiggs
(7,810 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,492 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)even tweeting at one point "I am the militia". It would not be surprising if she were a conduit for much of the planning.
https://coloradonewsline.com/2021/01/23/how-much-longer-will-we-ignore-rep-boeberts-bond-to-white-supremacy/