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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 07:58 AM Jun 2022

It is hard to believe these certain events were just a coincidence.

In the days leading up to Jan 6th, Trumps inner circle were meeting at the coup headquarters, the Willard Hotel.

The proud boys were also gathered at coup headquarters leading up to Jan 6th.

On Jan 5th, at least one Republican in congress was giving traitor tours at the capital. Did anyone on those tours have ties to the proud boys? Did any Republican giving the traitor tours have ties to the proud boys.

MSNBC released a new video showing the proud boys attacking the capital. The video proves their attack was well planned and coordinated. The proud boys were the ones that lit the match for the attack on the capital. They instigated the crowd to attack. The proud boys attacked in multiple areas, it was planned out.

There is circumstantial evidence the proud boys, Trumps inner circle and Republican members of congress were planning a coup together. The leaders of the proud boys have been charged with seditious conspiracy. If the committee or DOJ have solid evidence all of these groups were connected that would blow the roof off the House. They all could be charged with seditious conspiracy.

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It is hard to believe these certain events were just a coincidence. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jun 2022 OP
My neighbor tried samplegirl Jun 2022 #1
Your neighbors have a perfectly reasonable explanation, sounds like.. Permanut Jun 2022 #34
I hate that im samplegirl Jun 2022 #35
Hang in there with us.. Permanut Jun 2022 #37
A more authoritarian country would not deal with sedition lightly bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #2
The people involved in an attempted coup, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #13
ya know what the committee can do tho? mopinko Jun 2022 #14
ID those on the tours and multigraincracker Jun 2022 #3
How did they know where the windows were that were not reinforced alphafemale Jun 2022 #4
And where Nancy Pelosi's private office is, wnylib Jun 2022 #16
They "might not" have killed Mike Pence alphafemale Jun 2022 #31
And blamed it on "antifa" to justify wnylib Jun 2022 #32
And the very obscure Parliamentarian's office. tblue37 Jun 2022 #36
Yeah musclecar6 Jun 2022 #5
Putin pleasing though! czarjak Jun 2022 #6
Were the Proud Boys at the Willard? My guess is, only as visitors, as they tended to mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #7
TickTock Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #8
I agree, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #10
DOJ is on this, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #9
I find it hard to believe the investigations will end with a whisper. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #11
DOJ already dropped gab13by13 Jun 2022 #12
Whatever the reason the DOJ did not charge Meadows and Scavino for contempt. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #15
One day we may also learn why the chicken crossed the road? gab13by13 Jun 2022 #17
Why did the chicken walk half way across the road? Sneederbunk Jun 2022 #19
The United States of Amnesia didn't make Saudis pay a high price for funding 9-11 attacks lostnfound Jun 2022 #18
Maybe so, but George made them settle for holding hands instead of the usual kiss*. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #27
Per Malcolm Nance: Coincidences take a lot of planning rurallib Jun 2022 #20
Charile Pierce, "I Don't Believe in This Kind of Luck" Of the Capitol's 658 Windows the 12 that ... Botany Jun 2022 #21
DOJ/FBI probably has gab13by13 Jun 2022 #24
The FBI received 4,500 tips during Kavanaugh's confirmation; Blasey Ford attorneys call it 'a sham' Botany Jun 2022 #30
It takes a lot of planning for these coincidences to work so well. nt Ilsa Jun 2022 #22
in a nutshell -- THAT is the evidence that the world stopdiggin Jun 2022 #23
Eastman is the key, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #26
people use the terms 'coup' and 'riot' stopdiggin Jun 2022 #29
As much as we are learning, the J6 Committee is raising more and more questions nt wiggs Jun 2022 #25
Political coincidences take a great deal of planning. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #28
Boebert seems to have numerous connections to white supremacy militia groups... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #33

samplegirl

(11,462 posts)
1. My neighbor tried
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:05 AM
Jun 2022

to tell me they were peaceful protestors when it first happened. I wonder if her and her husband are still watching
the channel not airing it?

Permanut

(5,561 posts)
34. Your neighbors have a perfectly reasonable explanation, sounds like..
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:43 PM
Jun 2022

Whenever I attend a peaceful protest, I generally shit on the floors. Almost like a tourist event or a vacation.

Perfectly harmless.

What planet are these people from?

samplegirl

(11,462 posts)
35. I hate that im
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 04:49 PM
Jun 2022

Sandwiched in between a trumper on the right
And one on the left of me.
I’ve spent so much of my life working for my party.
This all started when I displayed a Hillary sign in my yard.
It’s been hell ever since!

Permanut

(5,561 posts)
37. Hang in there with us..
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jun 2022

We'll get you through with some sanity left until all these Mango Mussolini cult freaks are locked up.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
2. A more authoritarian country would not deal with sedition lightly
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:10 AM
Jun 2022

We are struggling with jurisdiction. J6 Committee is investigatory. It's like a tribunal without prosecutorial authority. The federal bureaucracy, unsurprisingly, has deep seated people on both sides of politics. In my view it's not so much a deep state as a both-sider state that steers down the middle but with deviations left and right.

I'm not finding the kick-ass rule of law to deal with seditious activity. I think they'll be too little and we'll muddle through, if we're lucky. If not we'll be friendly fascist for 25 years.

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
13. The people involved in an attempted coup,
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jun 2022

in a banana republic would face a firing squad after a brief trial.

We need to worry about being too partisan for one of the major political parties. I guarantee had this been a Democratic coup attempt the MSM would be talking about firing squads here, every network.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
4. How did they know where the windows were that were not reinforced
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:10 AM
Jun 2022

Just a handful out of hundreds. But they went right for those.

And they knew exactly where the escape tunnels were.

How puzzling.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
16. And where Nancy Pelosi's private office is,
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:00 AM
Jun 2022

the one that she does not take visitors to, the one that few people besides herself and her staff even know exists.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
31. They "might not" have killed Mike Pence
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 06:07 PM
Jun 2022

If they laid hands on him.

But there was definitely a plan to remove him so he could not complete the electoral vote count.

They absolutely would have killed Nancy Pelosi And filmed and live-streamed her torture.

musclecar6

(1,684 posts)
5. Yeah
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:23 AM
Jun 2022


TFFG is not a smart person, but he makes up for that by being evil and cunning, kinda like Hitler and Musselini back in the day. It's certainly feasible and likely that there was coordination between these various crazy groups. TFFG does a great job of playing on all the horrible bia's and insecurities of these groups ( that he also has in spades) just like Hitler did. The worst part of this scenario is the group that is supposed to be the safe harbor balancing influence ( THE US CONGRESS) is loaded with like thinking republicans who think just like TFFG. THAT is fucking scary.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
7. Were the Proud Boys at the Willard? My guess is, only as visitors, as they tended to
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:42 AM
Jun 2022

stay at the much less expensive Harrington Hotel.

At the Willard and the White House, the Jan. 6 Panel Widens Its Net

What went on at a five-star hotel near the White House the day before the riot could be a window into how a Trump-directed plot to upend the election ended in violence at the Capitol.

By Luke Broadwater and Mark Mazzetti
Nov. 9, 2021

WASHINGTON — “We are essentially in a national emergency,” Michael T. Flynn declared on Jan. 5, during an interview with the internet conspiracy theorist Alex Jones recorded in a luxurious suite at the Willard Intercontinental Hotel near the White House.

“The truth is going to come out,” said Mr. Flynn, the former three-star general and national security adviser. “Donald Trump will continue to be president of the United States for the next four years.”

In another room of the five-star hotel, a phalanx of lawyers and political advisers for Mr. Trump — including Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal lawyer; Bernard B. Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner; and John Eastman, a scholar working feverishly on a legal strategy to prevent Joseph R. Biden Jr. from assuming the presidency — had set up a kind of command post. On the hotel’s grand front steps, Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime Trump adviser, was flashing his signature Nixon victory sign to fans as members of the Oath Keepers, a militant group, protected him.



What unfolded at the Willard Hotel in the hours before the Capitol riot has become a prime focus of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack as the panel intensifies its scrutiny into whether there was any coordination or tie between those pushing a legal strategy to overturn the election results and those who stormed the Capitol that day as Congress met to count the electoral votes to formalize Mr. Biden’s victory.

{snip}

Magazine

CULTURE CLUB

How a D.C. Bar Became the ‘Haven’ for the Proud Boys

Harry’s Bar used to be a low-key haunt for off-duty police officers and tourists. Now, it’s attracted a brand-new clientele—and has become news for all the wrong reasons, from Covid-19 violations to stabbings.



DECEMBER 12, 2020: Members of The Proud Boys attending the second Million Maga March at Freedom Plaza in downtown Washington, DC pass by Harry’s Restaurant and Bar in the Harrington Hotel.
By IAN WARD

12/14/2020 07:35 PM EST

Ian Ward is a writer based in Washington, D.C.

On November 14, after a long day jeering at antifascist and Black Lives Matter protesters, the Proud Boys were thirsty. In downtown Washington, D.C., where about 400 of the group’s members had gathered for the Million MAGA March to protest President Donald Trump’s electoral defeat, a small band of Proud Boys wandered down E Street, their feet dragging in heavy tan combat boots. The weather in D.C. had been unseasonably warm for November—about 65 degrees and sunny—and the group looked sunburned and tired. Toward the back of the pack, a middle-aged man in a tactical vest and blue-mirrored sunglasses came to a stop, pulled a mango White Claw from the front pocket of his vest and cracked it open.

“I want to punch some commies,” he said, and took a sip.

{snip}

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
10. I agree,
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:54 AM
Jun 2022

time is on the side of the traitors. The way to get to the White House isn't through the Willard Hotel, it is through the fake electors.

Fanni Willis gets it, she is going for the head of the snake.

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
9. DOJ is on this,
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:51 AM
Jun 2022

we don't know if they are investigating this, so we must assume they are investigating this.

There are other crimes to prove that carry 10 year sentences, not as difficult to get a conviction. Liz Cheney spelled one out way back in January, she even read the statute. Impeding or delaying an official act of Congress, a felony with a 10 year sentence.

This isn't rocket science, but it is physics; an object needs to be moving to gain momentum, if you get my drift.

When would an actual trial of Trump's inner circle be held if DOJ applied physics? 2024? 2025? Time doesn't matter one bit to most people but it does play into the hands of the traitors.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
11. I find it hard to believe the investigations will end with a whisper.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:05 AM
Jun 2022

Too many people were injured. The threat was great and continues to be great. Trump has become the greatest threat to our country.

The very future of our country is on the line. I believe the investigations will end with a very serious jolt. I believe people are going to pay a heavy price for the attempted coup.

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
12. DOJ already dropped
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:20 AM
Jun 2022

the select committee referrals for Meadows and Scavino. We can give excuses why it dropped those referrals, but the select committee was not happy.

The insurrection has only gained momentum since 1/6 2021. Until Trump and the inner circle are held accountable the insurrection steam rolls onward. What did judge Luttig say about the danger to our democracy at the hearing, do you recall?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
15. Whatever the reason the DOJ did not charge Meadows and Scavino for contempt.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jun 2022

It is irrelevant when it comes to the investigations and future prosecutions. This has been debated here over and over again. The DOJ most likely has a dam good reason they did not charge them for contempt. One day we will learn why.

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
18. The United States of Amnesia didn't make Saudis pay a high price for funding 9-11 attacks
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:10 AM
Jun 2022

The US has a giant rug and a LOT of brooms when it comes to burying certain inconvenient facts.

jaxexpat

(6,799 posts)
27. Maybe so, but George made them settle for holding hands instead of the usual kiss*.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

Also, the jet he provided them to secure their kids and the remaining plotters was FAR below the comfort standard they usually received on the taxpayers dime. Hey, he made them Saudis suffer plenty, I tell you!

* with tongue and heavy petting

Botany

(70,447 posts)
21. Charile Pierce, "I Don't Believe in This Kind of Luck" Of the Capitol's 658 Windows the 12 that ...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:29 AM
Jun 2022

.... were not reinforced were all targeted by mob.

I Don't Believe in This Kind of Luck

"Video shows some of the first rioters to break through the police line running past 15 reinforced windows, making a beeline for a recessed area on the Senate side of the building, where two unreinforced windows and two doors with unreinforced glass were all that stood between them and hallways leading to lawmakers inside."

The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

But planners skipped about a dozen ground-floor windows, including some located in doors, because they were deemed to be low risk in the event of implosion, largely due to their discreet or shielded location, or because the building couldn’t structurally handle the load of the heavier frames.


And whether by sheer luck, real-time trial and error, or advance knowledge by rioters, several of those vulnerable windows and two glass-paned doors — protected with only a thin Kevlar film added after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — became easy entry points for hundreds of Trump supporters who overran and ransacked the building on Jan. 6.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a37884804/january-6-capitol-riot-unreinforced-windows/

And Chuck Grassley is on record from before 1/6/21 that he thought V.P. was not going to be there for the
Electoral Vote Count.

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
24. DOJ/FBI probably has
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:47 AM
Jun 2022

the security camera video from 1/5 and is in the process of getting its ducks in a row. I Saved people time from posting that.

There is all kinds of video from security cameras and a year and a half later we are asking questions about guided tours? That is what scares me. Loudermilk originally denied even having a tour, he must have known about security cameras so why did he lie if he didn't believe nothing would come of what he did?

What about the other tours that eye witnesses observed? Will they be swept under the rug? Does DOJ have too many people investigating the Russia investigation, Hunter's laptop, and the E. Jeanne Carrol defamation law suit. Maybe DOJ didn't hire enough agents?

Did I mention that Christopher Wray is a member of the Federalist Society? Did I mention that Wray was a law school classmate of Brett Kavanaugh. Did I mention that Wray ignored all of the Kavanaugh dirt from the FBI tip line?

Wray always gets a pass, he should have been fired for failing to vet Kavanaugh.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
30. The FBI received 4,500 tips during Kavanaugh's confirmation; Blasey Ford attorneys call it 'a sham'
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 01:40 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/22/brett-kavanaugh-review-sparked-4-500-tips-fbi/8057810002/

The FBI, the DoJ, Congress, and the Federal Court System have some real right wing agents of planned
shit deeply embedded into them. Kavanaugh along with Alito, Roberts, Goursch, and Coney Island all
had been vetted by the Judicial Crisis Network. By the 1980s it was obvious because of population
dynamics and what the majority of the American People wanted if just left up to clean voting the Republicans
were headed the way of the dodo so "they" have been very busy making sure "they" keep power no matter
what. They have to be crushed in the elections this fall and the shits need to be weeded out of power.

BTW Chuck Grassley's, "I don't expect Vice President Pence to be there for the counting of the electoral votes."
was a big tip on just how wide and deep the rot is.

Sorry to

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
23. in a nutshell -- THAT is the evidence that the world
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

has been waiting for. The question is - do we have it? Was somebody in the WH directing the Capital riot?

The machinations of John Eastman were on a different track (IMO).

gab13by13

(21,256 posts)
26. Eastman is the key,
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

he also spent time at the Willard Hotel. Stone, Flynn, Bannon got pardons from Trump, they will never flip.

stopdiggin

(11,242 posts)
29. people use the terms 'coup' and 'riot'
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 11:41 AM
Jun 2022

virtually interchangeably. That's a mistake. They are not the same thing in general - and from what we know in this specific instance - there still appears to be some distinction. That's why I said "in a nutshell" to what the OP advanced. Can you tie the two together? I think Eastman's little game plan (via Mike Pence, electoral count, courts, and possibly false electors) - while definitely a form of sedition, and perhaps deserving of sanction and penalty on it's own weight - appears to run on a separate track from the smash an grab Proud Boys. If in fact it was all part and parcel - and under the same direction - then give me (or somebody) the evidence for it.

(We know the PBoys were not terribly good about disguising their communications, etc. And - those little darlings did not get pardons, so ...? Seems to me if they were getting direct marching orders - somebody out there knows about it.)

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
33. Boebert seems to have numerous connections to white supremacy militia groups...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:39 PM
Jun 2022

even tweeting at one point "I am the militia". It would not be surprising if she were a conduit for much of the planning.

https://coloradonewsline.com/2021/01/23/how-much-longer-will-we-ignore-rep-boeberts-bond-to-white-supremacy/

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