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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe news media is debating whether or not Trump knew what he was doing is illegal.
Give me a break. It is highly unlikely we will see a video of Trump or a recording of Trump admitting he knew what he was doing is illegal.
There is this thing called, circumstantial evidence. Everybody and their mother were telling Trump what he was doing is illegal. People who sit on a jury are not stupid. It is beyond ridiculous people sitting on a jury would believe Trump did not know what he was doing was illegal, after seeing all the circumstantial evidence.
Many people have been convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. You do not need the murder weapon to prove someone committed murder. Has commonsense died in America?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)If I am speeding 65mph in a 35mph zone, I cannot use the excuse that I wasn't aware that I was breaking the law. I get a ticket.
Even if he didn't know, he still broke the law. I would get thrown in jail for life.
Irish_Dem
(47,014 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,014 posts)Diamond_Dog
(31,989 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,014 posts)Diamond_Dog
(31,989 posts)LoisB
(7,203 posts)the population.
malaise
(268,968 posts)That is first rate fuckery,
tetedur
(820 posts)He was told over and over by those who advised him that what he wanted was illegal and wouldn't work.
Why is the media trying to hand him an excuse or give him an out?
"Oh it's hard to prove that HE KNEW." No, any rational adult who is told before the act that it wouldn't work and it was illegal would listen and give up on their efforts. If the person goes ahead anyway, they need to be held accountable like everyone else on Earth. He kept trying to find someone to do his dirty work and he used everyone he could to achieve the end he wanted.
Trump, of course, is not rational. He is a menace to society.
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)Didn't he just walk away from tax fraud in New York because the DA decided not to prosecute because he didn't think he could prove Trump purposely broke the law?
Irish_Dem
(47,014 posts)Another one for the rest of us.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Consciousness of Guilt. Of course he knew what he was doing, and he knew it was wrong.
musclecar6
(1,686 posts)Never stops conning, lying and cheating. It's what he does. By all indications, a completely amoral manipulating sociopath/psychopath or whatever extreme psychological term is most appropriate. No conscience, so feels free to do whatever best serves what he wants. He's not smart, just cunning and evil. Does he know right from wrong, especially with mounting an insurrection. I think he absolutely does. I think he doesn't care, as he thinks he can con, lie and cheat his way out of anything, as he has been able to do through out his life.
Irish_Dem
(47,014 posts)He thinks he is special and doesn't have to follow the laws, norms, customs.
Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)The first major media outlet to convict him in the court of public opinion is going to have a heavy chastisement visited against them by the MAGATS- and their corporate owners dont want to risk that kind of backlash.
Novara
(5,841 posts)He was told by multiple people in dozens of ways that he lost, period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Over and over and over again. He was told by several people over many, many times that what he was trying to do was illegal. There is no way he can claim he really thought he won or that this coup was legal. Why? Because of this damning sentence:
"Just say we won and the republicans will do the rest."
That shows he knew exactly what he was doing was illegal. It shows he knows he lost and he's going to defraud the public. In the past he's always relied on repeating a lie so often that people start believing it - it's a complete fraud but he's been doing it his whole life. There's some sort of explanation of this practice in his ghost-written book about the art of the deal. He knows exactly that this is fraudulent and it's the way he's always operated. It's fooling the public with a barrage of lies, and we know all about his barrage of lies.
That also shows collusion with others in the conspiracy.
Now, lying isn't in and of itself a crime. But it's clear by that statement above that he knew he lost and this lie was one more fraud laid on the public in the entire fraudulent and criminal scheme. That simple sentence conveys knowledge that he did not win and they were going to pull one over on the American public. That one sentence equals defrauding the USA. That one sentence is the cherry on top of the whole shit sundae of his attempted coup.
To convict with circumstantial evidence is done by showing repeated patterns, repeated intent. His pattern of lying, defrauding, and outright stealing (the Big Rip-Off) has been on display for YEARS, before and after the presidency.
I really don't think it would be difficult to get a conviction based on that, even if they don't have a smoking gun email or text or phone call. They have a metric shit ton of circumstantial evidence and it all adds up to stealing the presidency from Joe Biden and fomenting a coup in order to achieve that end.