AR-15 maker now coming out with a pistol version...

[Archae]

Reminds me a lot of the "Micro-Uzi."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/17/instead-facing-ban-ar-15-maker-unveils-new-easier-hide-pistol-version

[Karadeniz]

1. Well , you can't have any conscience to be in that business...

[Timewas]

2. Been around

the shorter versions have been around for a long time, they are considered pistols as long as they don't have a stock on them. I heard that BATF was planning on re classifying them as short barrel rifles which would then require special license to own.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/guns/ar-rifles-pistols/ar-pistols.html

[Professor1956]

3. Sadly...

There is no special license required for a short barreled rifle or even a full auto machine gun. You just need a tax stamp. Pay $200, fill out proper tax forms/fingerprints/photo and wait for your tax stamp. Once your FFL gets it you pick up your tax stamp and Machine Gun. No special license required.

In most states that's it. Bizzare and messed up but that's it.

[Timewas]

4. Well

It may not actually be a "license" but to get class 3 is not all that easy and in the end costs a lot more than 200 and can take a long time, easiest way for any but full auto is form 1,still 200 but that is most of cost and only takes about a month or so.

[Professor1956]

5. No Class 3 needed to purchase....

No Class 3 license is needed to buy a Machine Gun on the NFA registry. A Class 3 is needed to sell it but not buy it.

So as scary and weird as this sounds..this is how one legally buys a full auto M16, Uzi or AK47 in Ohio.

You walk into a gun store where the FFL is a Class 3 dealer.

You say " I wanna buy a M16 machine gun" Dealer says " I got this here M16..full auto, On the registry.

Dealer says " Let's fill out the tax paperwork on this here PC...give me a check for $200.to pay your tax" Head off and get a passport photo and some fingerprints"

Oh...that will be $26,000 by the way...Machine guns are expensive.

You esubmit.your info and send in your prints/photo. Wait 12 months or so. If your not a felon or on a terrorist watch list...you get a call from. the Dealer and pick up your M16 and Tax Stamp.

You legally walk out on the street with your Machine gun and tax stamp..That's it. No license or special permit. It's Fkin nuts but in many states this is the same.process.

Crazy....

[Timewas]

11. my error

Not license but tax stamp, and they are not really hard to get but as you state pretty spendy... Fortunately for me I got mine long time ago they were much less back in the 60's.

[BettyonRed]

15. Since 1934, three legally registered machine guns

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Have been used in crimes resulting in death. That’s it. Register machine guns are scary sounding but a complete non issue. A registered Tommy Gun is close to $30,000 these days. No criminal uses a legal machine gun to know over a 7-11. They are owned by collectors.


Handguns are the biggest real issue.

[imavoter]

16. If I have a handgun that looks like a rifle

how will I know if they change
the law? Would that affect me.

My husband passed, and I likely need
to sell some of his guns, but will keep a few

I like to target practice.

[Timewas]

17. Best thing

For you would probably be to get rid of that while you can...

[imavoter]

20. Well that sucks.

That was his gift to himself
when he got a big fat raise right before
he passed last year.
I was going to keep that and sell
the ARs.

I have 3, 9mil hand guns, different brands,
will likely sell his extra. Keep mine,
and his favorite Walter.

[Timewas]

24. check it out

Research the entire thing and decide, personally I would keep it...especially under those circumstances...

[Sneederbunk]

6. Will fit nicely in school backpacks.

[Binkie The Clown]

7. Lighter, more easily concealed and able to kill children just as rapidly...

What's not to love about it?

[krispos42]

8. This has been sort of a "thing" for a couple of years now

There were a few articles on them in the gun magazines a few years ago. They have barrels of a length that classifies them as pistols (below 16&quot and no buttstock.

But... they have a "arm brace". Because they are very heavy and cumbersome for a pistol, there's a brace that can be attached that looks sort of like a buttstock but, technically, isnt. It gets strapped to your forearm.

Oh, and sometimes there is "incidental" contact between the arm brace and your shoulder, but it's not a buttstock!

It falls into that weird catagory where you can technically do it, but it's just sort of a dumb idea all around. LIke that revolver with the ridiculously long barrel at the end of Tim Burton's "Batman". Unless you can use it like a "short-barreled rifle", which is a legally defined thing that requires a federal tax stamp and a permit from the ATF, it's just a novelty.

Incidental contact with the shoulder, of course.

But if you can't use it as a proper should-mounted rifle, it's basically for fun at the range. Way, way to big to carry concealed as part of normal self-defense, and heavy and cumbersome in use. The short barrel drastically cuts down on bullet speed (and thus energy) while drastically increasing blast. If you fired that in an enclosed space and without ear protection... whelp, I hope you like listening to a tuning fork in your skull for the rest of your life.

[Professor1956]

10. Braces soon regulated hopefully....

The ATF is about to release rules that will restrict the whole brace nonsense. A brace is obviously a stock and was a way to get around the stamp requirement.

In most states a permit is not needed for a stock on a pistol. Just a tax stamp. Soon a stamp.will be required to have a brace on a pistol.

[krispos42]

12. Probably doesn't matter much

I'm okay with outlawing arm braces except for .22 rimfires, only because I think Olympian shooters use them.

But if a guy buys one of these and plans on committing murder, they'll improvise one are part of their overall plan.

Gorilla glue on a piece of aluminum bar to the receiver, then strap that to their arm. Or something like that.

I'd try to avoid calling attention to them, personally.

[MerryBlooms]

21. Just another human splatter gun. The guys who will

Use these to shoot a bunch of people, aren't thinking about their hearing.🤨

[krispos42]

22. That is true for all that commit mass shootings

I'm just pointing out why no sane person would pick this over a good 9mm or .45.



The now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban would have banned this kind of gun because the magazine wasn't located in the pistol grip of the gun. Except this is exactly the kind of gun you'd think they'd want criminals to use: big, heavy, awkward, loud, and difficult to conceal except under a coat.

[sl8]

26. Olympic Arms' pistol was banned under the 1994 AWB, until they got rid of a couple of the "features"

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Arms_OA-93

The OA-93 is an AR-15 derivative pistol manufactured by Olympic Arms. Lacking a buttstock or buffer tube, the OA-93 disperses recoil through a specially designed flat top upper receiver similar to the Armalite AR-18.[1][2] However, the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill required Olympic Arms to perform modifications to the basic design to continue selling them:

Olympic Arms OA-93

The first revision to the OA-93 was the OA-96 in which a 30-round ammunition well is pinned and welded in place so that it cannot be detached. In addition, the OA-96 has a button in the rear which opens the upper receiver and can then be loaded via stripper clips.[3]

The second revision followed two years later. OA-98 used a detachable magazine but the body was skeletonized to reduce the weight below the 50 ounce restriction to allow the OA-98 to have one more feature to be compliant with the 1994 Crime Bill.[3]

A piston driven carbine based on the pistol was made in 1993 and after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban from 2004 to 2007.[2]

From the definition section of the AWB, regarding pistols:

[...]

C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept
a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of—

" (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol
outside of the pistol grip;
" (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel
extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
" (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooterto hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned;
" (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when
the pistol is unloaded; and
" (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
and

[...]

[NickB79]

31. The cosmetics feature component strikes yet again

The only things that matter are cyclical rate, magazine capacity and reload speed.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. Oh it gets WAY WORSE when MAGA refuses to certify ANY election they lose in Nov

and too many people blame Joe for gas prices when in FACT

Gas is over $5 a gallon right now.

The last time a barrel of crude oil cost this much was in July 2014. At that point a gallon of gas only cost about $3.54.

Let’s be clear: Oil companies don’t need to be charging this much for gas. They’re just doing it to make excess profits.

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[Fla_Democrat]

13. Competing with the micro Draco

Interesting.

I see it will be available in 5.7, I wonder if they will male it compatible with FN mags, or go with a modified AR mag.

[Turbineguy]

14. Just right for shooting up classrooms.

[Celerity]

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[Archae]

27. This is the most crass, cynical ad I've seen in a long time.

Who was it who said, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" ?

(Actually, the last refuge of a scoundrel is religion AFAIK, but this is just my opinion.)

[48656c6c6f20]

19. I'm sorry, but yes, yes I do want to grab your guns

From your cold dead hands.

[sarisataka]

30. I find your honesty refreshing

Many will only hint at what they want.

[Nevilledog]

23. God & Guns....

[NickB79]

25. These have been around since the 1990's

I believe it was Olympic Arms that first marketed an AR pistol.

They're becoming a big thing in deer hunting circles up here in the Midwest. A lot of states don't allow rifles for hunting, only shotguns and handguns. That, or they have a much longer season or higher bag limit if you buy a handgun hunting permit (of course, that was written when hunters used .44 Mag revolvers, harder to shoot accurately at longer ranges). Since this is legally a handgun, a hunter can use it for deer and increase their odds of getting a deer each fall.

[Emile]

28. No money down for 18 year olds

?

[SYFROYH]

29. Weirdly, the BATFE allows one to shoulder AR pistols with arm braces.

A lot of AR pistols are sold with arm braces. The idea is that you can hold the pistol with a straight arm and the arm brace would help stabilize it when fired.

They are purposefully called braces and not stocks to avoid bring classified as short-barreled rifles.

And yet the BATFE allows the brace to be shouldered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-its-legal-to-shoulder-an-ar-15-pistol-equipped-with-an-sb-tactical-arm-brace/amp/