I am now telling people I know to be prepared for a monumental, historic event heading our way.

[fightforfreedom]

The American people know about Jan 6th, they know about the hearings and the investigations. However, many Americans are doing what Americans have always been good at, Slumbering.

The committee has already proven, beyond reasonable doubt, they are all guilty. Garland, the DOJ cannot walk away. I do not know exactly how all of this is going to end. However, I know it is going to have a monumental, historic, ending. An ending that will change our country forever.

[hydrolastic]

1. I have been doing that since Mueller !

People I know just look at me with eyes half closed and IDK what that means ....

[dem4decades]

9. My wife just looks at the TV, says "another Mueller" and walks away. Comey, Mueller, Barr and the

rest of the institutionalists, have destroyed this country. And they say Garland is an institutionalist too, I haven't seen anything yet for me to tell my wife she's wrong about this being "another Mueller".

[BlackSkimmer]

10. Yep, unfortunately I'm hearing the same from some of my staunchest Dem friends.

The OP managed not to spell out what the “historic event”:will be, but I’m thinking it’s not going to be what he thinks.

[dem4decades]

16. I know, at first, I thought the historic event was going to be right wing attacks on anyone not a

cult member.

It's already happening, just look at the Crenshaw encounter, and they are armed and dangerous and feel entitled to bully to get their way.

I'm just wondering how prevalent it will be in the blue states. During Nazi Germany I don't think there were any enclaves of non-Nazi's in that country, I wonder how that will work out if the right-wing fascists take over here.

[Wednesdays]

14. The difference between Mueller and today is

...the difference between Barr and Garland.

[dem4decades]

20. I guess that will be decided on just how much Garland feels the need to protect the institutions.

I'm not convinced the powers that be are there to protect the powers that be.

Is there any evidence that Garland is willing to investigate and indict a former President from the opposition Party?

I'd say no.

[Texin]

32. There won't be any institutions to protect if this is allowed to stand.

The party of Q has proved time and time again that they're ready and armed to seize it by force, while trashing all the rights of those who aren't part of their cabal.

[wnylib]

37. Evidence that Garland is investigating J6?

DOJ request from the J6 committee for transcripts. Garland's statements that he will pursue the law wherever it leads.

The belief among some people that Garland is doing nothing and will do nothing is so strong that I think they will actually be disappointed and depressed when the indictments up the chain begin to roll out. They will have nothing left to believe in.

I see monumental events coming, too - two possibilities. Both end in social unrest and violence, but how bad the violence will be, I don't know. If, as some are predicting, Garland does not pursue indictments, the extreme RW will take over. They will overturn elections that Dems have won. They will arrest and prosecute prominent Dems. People who have not thrown in the towel on democracy will fight back. It will be ugly.

If they are arrested and indicted, Trump will call on his supporters to revolt. They will attack various people and places - state Capitols, Democratic governors, the homes of Democrats in Congress (but maybe not Manchin and Sinema) and in state legislatures and city councils. Some will attack minority people.

We have reached a point where a confrontation is brewing. I don't know which action or inaction will trigger it, where it will start, how long it will last, or how bad it will get. I am hoping that the hearings will bring enough understanding of the RW takeover attempts that people will not support them when they rise up.

But that means dealing with both the RW and the people who promote discouragement about saving democracy.

[gab13by13]

2. Garland also cannot walk away from indicting

Meadows and Scavino, but he did, with no explanation why.

Back in January Liz Cheney laid out the statute to indict Trump on.

I am still telling people that the select committee hearings are being done for an audience of one, Merrick Garland, getting people to vote Democratic is secondary.

[fightforfreedom]

4. How long are you going to keep bringing that up?

It has been explained over and over again the possible reasons Garland did not indict Meadows for contempt.

[gab13by13]

34. Discovery?

or because Garland is an institutionalist? Has Garland gone after any politicians, former politicians, former cabinet members, former advisors to the president, former president?

We look at this through a binary decision between right and wrong. An institutionalist adds one more aspect, for example; Garland may choose not to indict Loudermilk not because he doesn't have a case against him, but because imagine what indicting a sitting Congressman would do to the institution of Congress. Possibly a war would break out between Democrats and Republicans, an institutionalist wants to avoid that.

This is just one example, personally, I want the book thrown at them all, but I am waiting until I see someone of political significance indicted, otherwise I am going to keep repeatingmy opinionwhy someone like Meadows wasn't indicted.

IMO, going after Eastman is the best path.

[wnylib]

40. The only thing that I can agree with you about

is going after Eastman first. Then follow up with the rest who followed him.

[wnylib]

38. Meadows is guilty of far worse than

refusing a subpoena to testify. His time is coming.

But if we have no reason given for not prosecuting the contempt of Congress referral, why do so many people assume that they know the reason? If the reason has anything to do with ongoing investigations, you can be sure that it will not be made public, nor should it be.

[USALiberal]

3. What do you mean by "historic event"???

[fightforfreedom]

5. I believe it will change our country forever.

That's historic.

[Emile]

6. Proving the former president is a traitor is historic.

If our Democratic Republic survives they'll be talking about this for hundreds of years.

[CentralMass]

7. I'm bookmarking this thread. Let's hope your optimism turns to realty.

[BlackSkimmer]

8. Lol.

This is your opinion.

Weren’t we just “instructed” last week by some to not predict with certainty how things will go?

Or does that just apply to those of us with differing opinions?

[sop]

11. Here's one possible scenario:

The DOJ indicts Trump, Eastland, Giuliani, et al. Lengthy prosecutions begin. Protests, violence, economic disruption and civil unrest increase. Several high-profile domestic terrorist attacks follow. Running on a platform of issuing pardons so "the country can move on" and restoring "law and order," DeSantis is elected in 2024.

[LiberatedUSA]

15. Worst thing is...

…that isn’t far-fetched. Don’t indict him? That gives them motivation. Do so…and there you go.

[dem4decades]

18. Well, I'd rather go down in a blaze of justice glory. Indict the motherfuckers.

[hydrolastic]

21. Holy cow! Had not thought about that.

[Layzeebeaver]

30. Now I can't unread that.

A hellish scenario...

[wnylib]

39. Spot on. But it does not mean that we should not indict.

No matter what we do (or don't do), the fascists will proceed until they have the open, physical confrontation that they want. If DeSantis "wins" (by hook or crook) and carries out his agenda, there will be protests from the left, which will bring down violent suppression, returned by violence in self defense.

We are facing some grim times ahead and need to prepare for them. But I still believe that democracy will win out in the end. There are more of us than of them.

[flamingdem]

41. Oh no! DeSantis is a nightmare

I agree he's their guy apres Cheeto

[bucolic_frolic]

12. Rule of law will clamp down inexorably, but no more than is necessary

The good news is I think Peak MAGA is past. They are unable to convert more to their movement. Tucker is too deep into nonsense, and the fallout from J6 investigations will put a lid on the BS.

The fallout from faltering MAGA is unpredictable, but I think most will revert to their former lives and say among themselves "it was too good to be true". The realization they were "had" will only dawn slowly. I think increases in violence will be minimal, and much the same as we've seen the last 6 months.

[pwb]

13. Garland and the DOJ will not walk away sounds

more Democratic.

[jalan48]

17. Trump was impeached twice-that had never happened before-it was indeed an historic event.

What difference has it made?

[fightforfreedom]

24. You got to be kidding.

It led to Trump trying to over throw our country.

[jalan48]

25. You think Trump tried to overthrow the country because he got impeached twice? The

impeachments were historic because no President had ever been impeached twice. It was also symbolic because it did nothing to rid of us of Trump.

[fightforfreedom]

31. Because he was not convicted, which he should have been.

[oswaldactedalone]

19. Merry Fitzmas!!

Nothing to see here, it’s another Mueller, they’ll all skate.

[Treefrog]

23. Mueller time!

I remember those oh so heady times!

[wnylib]

43. So, you made one of your occasional posts

just to spread a discouraging word?

Fortunately, there are still people who are not discouraged.

[oswaldactedalone]

45. Not discouraged yet?

We’ll wait…

[wnylib]

47. While you sit back and wait, cheering for defeat,

we will be acting to prevent defeat. It's a matter of what your convictions are, and how deeply they run.

[Stuart G]

22. The "TRIAL" ......WILL BE.....................'THE TRIAL"...

[wnylib]

44. Not a trial of the century, but of the millennium.

[Magoo48]

26. Guessing shit can be fun. Nevertheless, expectations walk hand in hand with disappointment.

Equanimity, though difficult, beats being steamrolled again and again.

[Snackshack]

27. Someone should ask

Mr. Garland if he saw DT’s speech? Has he bothered to pay attention? Because DT is standing rt out in the open daring America to hold him accountable for the obvious crimes he has committed, threatening violence if he is held responsible for his actions. This cannot stand if America and the Dems who are in the majority (believe it or not) cannot stand up to this bully and what he represents. Then he has won.

[flamingdem]

42. this!

He's putting out a challenge with his BS. Not sure why he's going so hard after Pence. There's nothing exactly rational in anything he does..

[SoonerPride]

28. What's the timeline for arresting him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Is a grand jury already considering the evidence?

It’s highly doubtful.

If they convene one they better have indictments and trail dates set prior to 2024.

They won’t want a political trial prior to the election.

So it has to happen in 2023.

So again I ask when can we time in to watch trump get arrested?

Thanks in advance

[Orrex]

29. I expect that Garland will politely ask them not to do any more insurrectioning

I work throughout east OH, western PA and parts of WV. The overwhelming sentiment is that this is a partisan witch-hunt, most likely to distract from Biden's "disastrous" presidency.

I am hopeful that those in authority will not be intimidated by the inevitable tantrums of those on the Right. I am hopeful but not greatly confident.

There are an awful lot of vocal, angry, ignorant fuckhead KKKultists out there, and they long ago identified the Jan 6 traitors as brave patriots and heroes. It will take more than the hearings that the KKKultists are completely ignoring to sway their opinion.

[wnylib]

46. They cannot be swayed. But others can be made

more aware of the stakes and become more committed to saving democracy.

I am from northwestern Pa and have lived in eastern Ohio in the past. I know the kinds of people you refer to. They are dangerous, but they are not the majority of Americans.

[Samrob]

33. I hope it is an ending that will PROTECT our country forever! nt

[70sEraVet]

35. I see the fraud of the 'Stop the Steal Defense Fund' waking up a lot of the 'grifted'.

They may be racists, but they will resent having been duped out of their money.
Once you start peeling away Trump's supporters, the Repub politicians will start declaring that they never trusted him.

[brooklynite]

50. I don't...

Stories about where the Stop the Steal money was going have been around for a year. So have stories about Bannon's "build the wall" scam. No sign that people are going to turn from Trump and his underlings.

[FakeNoose]

36. I hope you are right, and I hope it's the end of the Repuke Party

... because it no longer fits the definition of a political party in America.

It should have imploded already, but it just keeps morphing into various cults and splinter groups. The GOP and all its splinter groups should be banned. Faux Noise should be banned, and so should the NRA. Then we'll start dealing with all the "Heritage Society"-type ultra rightwinger groups. They need to be banned too.

THAT would change our country forever, just as you say.

[usonian]

48. The "Election Integrity" Fraud crosses the RUBE-I-CON

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216813088

FINALLY jumped the shark?
Snip:

Please read the excellent thread by babylonsister!
https://democraticunderground.com/100216811859
Grift Made Donald Trump and the Modern Republican Party, and It Could Take Them Down

Refresher:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fundraising-scam-jan-6-hearing-1367359/
Trump Scammed Supporters Out of $250 Million for Nonexistent Fraud Fund
Supporters who thought they were donating to “election integrity” instead saw some of their money funneled to Trump hotels


Making a thread of my reply for visibility, because
I think it's a turning point issue.

The party of nothing but throwing shit against a wall (LITERALLY) to see what will stick might get some pushback on this "bread and butter" issue, unlike gas pump money going to oligarchs (who are capitalists, and hence, God), but $250 mil being defrauded from them for an orgasmic money bath by blatant crooks.

The grifters have humiliated, manipulated and sent their minions to the slammer, and "it's all good" but such a blatant act might be the flash point, where their utter disdain for he rubes crosses the RUBE I CON.



Just keep this in mind.

Dick Nixon didn't say "I am not a Democrat"

He said:



Sharks in that water.
?1569876754

[BannonsLiver]

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